I wasn't fooled.

I mean - is it just on Xbox? (looks around at PS2 rack and Gamecube rack and PC rack) ... yup. In a few weeks/months/whatever, it won't be true. So by then they'll be advertising a different game. I don't even know how this game is possible on the PS2.

You are not the average consumer.

In a several weeks when the game is available on other platforms the xbox game will still feature a falso "only for" label. Magazines still on racks will feature the label as well.

I never said it was a lie.

As a consumer you're supposed to research your purchases. If you don't care enough to find out that a game is coming for more than one system, it is not MS's problem that you couldn't look at any number of countless free resources on the Internet and see there is a chance of it being released for other platforms. If you are "fooled" by this practice than it's your own fault.

i am getting a 30 pack of Busch Beer after work. those hot chicks better be in my living room watching tv with me by 9pm.

oh wait, that isnt going to happen?

if i use my Norelco Razor i will be the next 007, correct?

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Ghost Recon is "more gooder" then Halo

OK...let's take 2 recent talked about examples of games that will be (or have been announced to come) on systems other than the X-Box: Splinter Cell and Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance. Only the ads have the "Only on X-Box" attatched to the beginning. I own both games and neither box has the "Only on X-Box" logo on it. Please check facts out before you yourself give out false statements.

You're right...this might be deceiving the average gamer (or new gamer), but it is also showing a good reason to own the X-Box now as you can get these 2 games before Christmas while the other versions come after Christmas. It's good advertising if you ask me, especially for a company trying to get a good grasp on the #2 spot. Technically Microsoft is not lying about it being "Only on X-Box" at this point in time. It's all a matter of timing.

And just for confirmation...I own all 3 systems and the GBA. I would back up the other 2 main systems if they were railed against as well.

AgtFox: Sorry, you are correct about the boxes. However my local EB has a large splinterCell standup that proudly carries the logo. I made a false assumption based on my memory of what I'd seen at the store.

All: I never said what they are doing is illegal, Just deceitful. You have to be ignorant to think it is not. If I wanted to discuss illegal practices I would.

No I haven't seen Wreckless. I'm willing to go out on the limb though and say the PS2 will be able to pull off Splinter Cell.

Cool, we'll just have to wait and see.

I think splinter cell will suffer some on the PS2, but look pretty decent on the GC. The PS2 will probably be taxed by the lighting, in games like RE, ED, and especially Metroid Prime, the Gamecube has shown that it can handle some pretty nifty lighting effects. So as long as the developer takes the time to do the GC version justice, it should look pretty close to the X-box version I'd think.

But like Gallant said, we'll have to wait and see on both. The PS2 version could turn out better than expected simply because of them putting a ton of effort into it as that's were they stand to sell the most copies do the the huge installed base.

I guess that's my point more than anything. Games tend to look bad because of poor programming or lack of developer effort. Not because the system fails to handle it.

All systems have shown to have spectacular graphics when the game is done with the care and diligence necessary.

So when this game comes out, if it isn't the same level of graphics, will people blame it on a "bad port" or something like that?

It all depends on what libraries the developer has access to while writing the code. As of right now it's clear that some developers (EA, Square) have a much better grasp on the PS2 hardware than some others (989 etc). I personally thought some of the lighting in MGS2 and FFX was pretty amazing. We'll see what Ubisoft is capable of.

I agree that the PS2 probably cannot handle the level of real time lighting as on the XBOX, but I think the devloper could probably use tricks to convince the gamer otherwise. If the lighting is scripted that could look just as good (ie. you shoot out the light and instead of it actually going off in the game engine, it just loads a new darker texture set, or something to that affect). With the PS2 is seems to come down more to developer creativity. I think the PS2 can push the most poly's of this gen of consoles but the texture and lighting requires a little more work.

I just hope Sony gets it right (and has the most powerful console that's very easy to program for) for the next generation and this tired debate can stop since it will no longer apply.

Sorry to nitpick but Splinter Cell has not been officially confirmed for either Gamecube or PS2. The only thing that has been officially confirmed by Ubi Soft is that Microsoft has a time-limited exclusive on Splinter Cell that expires in 2003. After that Ubi Soft is free to publish the game on other systems (and almost definitely will) but they cannot announce anything until after the exclusivity agreement runs out. You're probably confusing press reports based on speculation for "official confirmation".

Advertising is deceitful by it's very nature. The seller is trying to convince the consumer to buy it's products by any means necessary. If you're going to rail against deceptive advertising, that's fine but don't stop with Microsoft. There are plenty of other companies to go after including Sony, Nintendo and Sega among many others. Anybody remember "Blast Processing"?

No joke. First of all, I don't believe you're going to find many people who agree with you about the merits of MGS2's graphics in comparison to Splinter Cell. Perhaps some people will prefer the graphical "style" of MGS2 but from a purely technical standpoint, Splinter Cell is graphically superior. Secondly, while there is no doubt that the PS2 can accomplish some of the graphical "tricks" used in Splinter Cell, it cannot do real-time lighting (which is one of the most important aspects of Splinter Cell on Xbox). Whether some clever programmers can "fake" the effect well enough to make Splinter Cell playable on PS2 is currently unknown. Certainly, it's a possibilty but we'll just have to wait and see...

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htfo...hreadid=111352

Tamrok, no offense intended here at all but I didin't require a lecture on advertising. People are taking what I said as a personal attack against MS, it is not. As stated, if I wanted to do so, I could certainly list much more damning things then their advertising practices.

Also, I never said "official" that is your word, not mine. I said confirmed. Just as Dead to rights was "confirmed" by ign staff several months before it's xbox release, they have also made mention of a splinter cell version in the pipeline for the GC and ps2. Is iit possible that it will never arrive for the GC and ps2? sure. But the fact is, according to ign, is the game is being made.

Fair enough. I was simply clarifying that while the game is almost guaranteed to arrive on Gamecube and PS2 at some point, it cannot and has not been officially confirmed because of the exclusivity agreement. Confirmation by a journalist isn't quite the same as official confirmation from Ubi Soft. Certainly, there had been numerous "confirmations" of an Xbox port of Grand Theft Auto 3 by various publications but that game failed to ever materialize on store shelves because Sony purchased exclusivity.

You can check the link to the HTF above which I started that has the first screenshots of Splinter Cell running on the Playstation 2. "Official" confirmation via a press release/announcement will of course no be divulged until the game is ready to be fully unvieled but make no mistake the game is already being worked on for both the PS2 and the Gamecube.

For the link challenged:

Oh, I've seen the screenshots. I've never doubted that the ports were already under development (especially if Ubi Soft had any desire to release them sometime in the first quarter of next year). However, under development and released to retail stores are two different things. Games under development are not always released. Again, the Xbox port of GTA 3 is a perfect example of this. So, bottom line, Splinter Cell is under development for PS2/Gamecube but has not been officially confirmed for release on either platform. That's all I'm saying...