Miyamoto on Cel-Shading: worst explanation ever
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Miyamoto on Cel-Shading: worst explanation ever
there's an interview with Miyamoto on IGN about the new Zelda and they asked him about the decision to go cel-shading...
Ok, I'd just like to go on record saying that this is the worst defense/explanation for any decision....ever.
Also, I'd like to mention that I don't share the total disdain for the new look that many others seem to have...I was much more impressed by the original, more mature-looking/realistic movies, but this has got to be the worst logic...it's not even "it's because I like it and if you don't, don't buy it."
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full article:
http://cube.ign.com/articles/379/379358p1.html
Q: Why did you decide to go with cel-shading?
Miyamoto: It's not so much that we wanted to go with toon-shading -- we were just happy that we could have the artwork on the package match the artwork in the game.
Miyamoto: It's not so much that we wanted to go with toon-shading -- we were just happy that we could have the artwork on the package match the artwork in the game.
Also, I'd like to mention that I don't share the total disdain for the new look that many others seem to have...I was much more impressed by the original, more mature-looking/realistic movies, but this has got to be the worst logic...it's not even "it's because I like it and if you don't, don't buy it."
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full article:
http://cube.ign.com/articles/379/379358p1.html
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That is lame.
A previous explanation he offered was that it was easier to display facial emotions, compared to polygonal character models. That seemed more reasonable.
I hate cel-shading, but it's zelda so I'll buy it anyway.
A previous explanation he offered was that it was easier to display facial emotions, compared to polygonal character models. That seemed more reasonable.
I hate cel-shading, but it's zelda so I'll buy it anyway.
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Re: Miyamoto on Cel-Shading: worst explanation ever
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Q: Why did you decide to go with cel-shading?
Miyamoto: It's not so much that we wanted to go with toon-shading -- we were just happy that we could have the artwork on the package match the artwork in the game.
Q: Why did you decide to go with cel-shading?
Miyamoto: It's not so much that we wanted to go with toon-shading -- we were just happy that we could have the artwork on the package match the artwork in the game.
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What's wrong with that? The art on the box/manual is generally concept art, which is generally the original vision for what they want the game to look like. Makes sense to me. It seems a bit simply stated, but that's most likely because of the translation.
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I'm 99% sure that Miyamoto speaks pretty good english, so translation shouldn't be an issue, unless IGN Cube got the quote from a Japanese magazine or web site.
What's wrong with it is that it's a lame explanation for going with a graphical style that has caused a great deal of uproar. You think he could come up with something better to justify his decision for making the game look like a cartoon at a time when Nintendo desperately needs to get rid of its kiddy image.
What's wrong with it is that it's a lame explanation for going with a graphical style that has caused a great deal of uproar. You think he could come up with something better to justify his decision for making the game look like a cartoon at a time when Nintendo desperately needs to get rid of its kiddy image.
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It was translated from Japanese. They'll have the rest of the interview translated later tonight.
I think justifying it by saying his original vision for the game was to make it this way is a very good justification. You can disagree with his vision, sure, but that doesn't make it a bad explanation.
IMO the facial expressions explanation was the lame one. They could've made the game more like the OoT style but cel-shaded and had their cake and eat it too. But obviously they didn't want the OoT style(hallelujah! ).
I think justifying it by saying his original vision for the game was to make it this way is a very good justification. You can disagree with his vision, sure, but that doesn't make it a bad explanation.
IMO the facial expressions explanation was the lame one. They could've made the game more like the OoT style but cel-shaded and had their cake and eat it too. But obviously they didn't want the OoT style(hallelujah! ).
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Originally posted by Josh Hinkle
I'm 99% sure that Miyamoto speaks pretty good english, so translation shouldn't be an issue, unless IGN Cube got the quote from a Japanese magazine or web site.
I'm 99% sure that Miyamoto speaks pretty good english, so translation shouldn't be an issue, unless IGN Cube got the quote from a Japanese magazine or web site.
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how is matching box art a good explanation...why not make the box art match the game?
doesn't seem too tough for me...don't get me wrong, I love the game, I already preordered it hehe, BUT, I hate poor logic.
doesn't seem too tough for me...don't get me wrong, I love the game, I already preordered it hehe, BUT, I hate poor logic.
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I think what he was trying to say, is that cel-shading allowed them to match the style they wanted. Using regular polygon technique will not work.
They def. wanted the cartoon look. Miyamoto is a cartoonist at heart, it's not surprising he wanted the oppertunity to make a game like this. He said back in the N64 days he looked forward to the day he could make a game look like a cartoon.
They def. wanted the cartoon look. Miyamoto is a cartoonist at heart, it's not surprising he wanted the oppertunity to make a game like this. He said back in the N64 days he looked forward to the day he could make a game look like a cartoon.
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okay do you guys NOT remember the original Zelda and the instructions the ORIGINAL artwork. I mean the guy did create the series i think he knows what he is doing. As far as genius...yeah...at least as far as video games goes.
I agree that it is just a simplistic way to say that Zelda finally has the original look he wanted. He probably should have fleshed out his answer more. Do I like it? as long as its Zelda. Remember that there will still be at least be one more installment.
I agree that it is just a simplistic way to say that Zelda finally has the original look he wanted. He probably should have fleshed out his answer more. Do I like it? as long as its Zelda. Remember that there will still be at least be one more installment.
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Miyamoto was being funny like he always is during interviews. Couldn't you tell? Miyamoto has already explained his decision to go with this graphic style many times in the past. Look up some of the older IGN Zelda articles to read them.
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He's just kidding.
He's just kidding.
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It's seems as though he was kidding. And even if he wasn't, we wouldn't want to condemn the man for one thing that he says. That would be close-minded, wouldn't it?
And I just wish people would wait for the game to come out before "knowing they'll hate it". There's most likely a reason it took best of show at E3 in most publications on-line and off. But we'll have to wait and see.
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And I just wish people would wait for the game to come out before "knowing they'll hate it". There's most likely a reason it took best of show at E3 in most publications on-line and off. But we'll have to wait and see.
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Originally posted by Stoolie
And I just wish people would wait for the game to come out before "knowing they'll hate it". There's most likely a reason it took best of show at E3 in most publications on-line and off. But we'll have to wait and see.
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And I just wish people would wait for the game to come out before "knowing they'll hate it". There's most likely a reason it took best of show at E3 in most publications on-line and off. But we'll have to wait and see.
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I agree it's stupid to write the game off because of graphics.
As I've said many times, I absolutely hate cel-shading, but I'll still pre-order it as I love zelda and expect it to play like a zelda game. I'm not big on graphics anyway, so I'll be able to block them out after an hour or so anyway if I don't like them.
Plus at the least I'll get a new copy of one of my all time favorite games win I preorder, as well as the remix.
As I've said many times, I absolutely hate cel-shading, but I'll still pre-order it as I love zelda and expect it to play like a zelda game. I'm not big on graphics anyway, so I'll be able to block them out after an hour or so anyway if I don't like them.
Plus at the least I'll get a new copy of one of my all time favorite games win I preorder, as well as the remix.
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I thought cel-shaded games looked like crap from screenshots, but once I played Robotech and Sly Cooper, I got over that. Those games look sweet in motion. I was never into Zelda when I was younger, but I pre-ordered the game today, so hopefully I'll get into this one.
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I think that's the important part. Whether he's considered a genius or whether he says a line that is possibly misinterpreted by U.S. gamers, it is a fact that he has been responsible for a long line of popular and successful games. They may not satisfy every individual gamer, but overall his games are a major part of the history of video games.
I'll most likely buy Zelda: The Wind Waker because it is a Zelda game and I've liked every Zelda game I've played to date. But if I don't like it, there's always the Trade Forum.
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I'll most likely buy Zelda: The Wind Waker because it is a Zelda game and I've liked every Zelda game I've played to date. But if I don't like it, there's always the Trade Forum.
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It's a lot nicer explanation than I would have given to people, misquoted or not. I would have said, "It's my game so **** all you fairweather fans who only give me compliments when it's done YOUR way. If I like cel-shading, I will use cel-shading, and if you don't like it, here is my ass to kiss. Thank you."
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Originally posted by spainlinx0
It's a lot nicer explanation than I would have given to people, misquoted or not. I would have said, "It's my game so **** all you fairweather fans who only give me compliments when it's done YOUR way. If I like cel-shading, I will use cel-shading, and if you don't like it, here is my ass to kiss. Thank you."
It's a lot nicer explanation than I would have given to people, misquoted or not. I would have said, "It's my game so **** all you fairweather fans who only give me compliments when it's done YOUR way. If I like cel-shading, I will use cel-shading, and if you don't like it, here is my ass to kiss. Thank you."