And Forum rule, too. As I recall, Geoff said if anyone made a system bashing will be suspended or banned. So, please don't do it.

Xbox live may certainly help MS sell consoles, but it does little as an indication that it's here to stay.

MS sold more units then that launch day. The people buying live have likley been waiting for it. It's the other gamers MS has to get. The one's that don't know/care/or think about online gaming.

Live is only in the hands of about 3% of xbox gamers.

All right, I'm not gonna flame you. In fact, I own two systems...the PS2 and the GC and have decided I won't be buying an Xbox. However, not a single game released (or being released) for the system appeals to you? I find that hard to believe. There are quite a few great exclusives for the Xbox IMO.

I also don't believe it'll fail. It may continue to be more of a niche machine than the PS2, but I think it'll do well enough to continue for quite a few years, particularly with MS' financial backing.

They didn't lose billions. There is a difference between losing and investing long term.

Read the whole sentence. To me it's a loss because I don't see them doing much better.

Sorry, my misinterpretation. I took it as a separate statement rather than part of the first half of your sentence.

You wrote the following:

"They've already lost Billions AND I don't see things getting all that much better. "

...not "BECAUSE I don't see things getting all that much better. "

Will the X-Box survive?

sure.

MS has deep pockets and the machine has some solid assets.

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WIll it ever be able to compete head to head with PS2?

nope.

The userbase of the PS2 is simply insurmountable, and it gets the best games or at very least (usually) the best versions of games since they are usually ported to the other consoles.

So if it's all about the games (and isn't it?) I think the PS2 is a no brainer...just look at game reviews and try to find AAA titles for X-box. There aren't many. Maybe 2? PS2 has more AAA titles than you could reasonably be expected to keep up with.

There are definitely more AAA titles on the xbox than I have time to play right now and since I have all 3 consoles (+ unplayed DC classics) then I'm well and truely screwed.

I don't see how anyone can honestly say that the XBOX has only 1-2 games worth playing. The only way that would make sense would be if they only play japanese rpgs which wasn't really clarified.

Of course if they then went on to say that the GC had only 1-2 games worth playing and the PS2 only had 3-4 games worth playing then I would realise that they are just extremely hard to please .

Chris

No offense, but take off your Inidigo Lens Colored Glasses. If you want someone to take you seriously that is. You're right, what you said isn't console bashing, it's laughable.

To answer the question of the topic, Yes MS will be around for the long haul. The Xbox and Xbox 2 will be well supported. How the Xbox 2 does against the PS3 will decide the future for MS. You have nothing to worry about in getting an Xbox as long as you like the software available for it.

I had to make a touch decision about the Xbox this week. I have had a hard time finding Xbox exclusives that I've really thought were worth buying, I have to be honest about that. I was dissapointed in most of the Sega and Microsoft titles I picked up or rented. However, the strength of their lineup is stuff like Halo and Splinter Cell and I'm generally not a big FPS guy.

I've liked what most of the multiconsole games have looked like on the Xbox and it really is a powerfull system. NBA 2K3 for one was much better than on the other two systems.

Problem is I don't have the time any more to play three consoles. My GameCube has gotten almost all my time while the PS2 and Xbox have gathered dust. I decided to sell at least one. The PS2 would have gone except I still have a ton of PS1 RPGs that I can use on the PS2. So I sold my Xbox and games.

I guess the point I'm making is be sure the system you spend $200 on has a lineup of games that will appeal to you. I bought the Xbox knowing there would be few games I would want and ended up being dissapointed when most of those didn't end up being what I wanted. Its not really a problem with the Xbox because it has a lot of software, but more with the Xbox not having enough of the types of games I like to play.

Pick the system with the games you want and don't worry about it. All three will be well supported until at least 2005.

Here's what makes the PS2 a good choice:

GTA series
Platformers
Final Fantasy

and here's what makes Xbox a good choice

FPS
Online Games
Sports games

The word AAA can be thrown out the window from my experience because it's such a subjective word and doesn't even refer to if YOU will like a game or not. I heard Mario Sunshine was called a AAA game and I got rid of it a week later because it collected dust and wasn't that good. GTA3 I sold because of little things that frustrated me. I do have VC and to me that's a AAA but so are games that let me play online, talk to people, and form clans and play against other clans.

But the question here is if Xbox will be supported until Xbox 2, it will be and anyone who tells you otherwise is full of it. There isn't a shred of evidence to suggest it won't be.

I'm pretty sure Xbox will survive with the PS2.

as for content, to each their own. I will probably buy an Xbox for Christmas with the 2 games. I don't play much video games, usually only multiplayer, so I have a thing for sweet graphics and Sega GT has some nice ones. For PS2 - Tekken 4...nice!!

I will also buy a Gamecube but I'm hoping they will drop the price to $99. I want to get this to take to parties (MARIO PARTY 4!!) and other 4 player games.


3 video game companies is the right number for competition, more competition, better exclusive games. with only 2, that would kind of suck.

Actually it was just a poor, pompous, elitist way of expressing an opinion.

There's still no exclusives on the X-box, out or announced, that really interest me other than Halo.

But I'm not foolish enough to say there's "no other good games." There's just no other games that appeal to me enough to even make me consider buying the console.

Thanks, glad you realize that. Not that I consider myself an Xbox apologist, I love what each console can do for me. Without GCN, I wouldn't have Metroid Prime goodness. Without PS2 I wouldn't have VC happiness. And without Xbox, I wouldn't have XBL sweetness. For hardcore gamers who see something they want in each console, it's a nice way to go. I'm not particularly well off, but I do try and stretch a few bucks so I can afford more than one console. If I don't like one machine (not the case) I'm not going to go out of my way to tell other people it will probably fail when that's a bunch of baloney. A guy was soliciting honest opinions from this forum, and biasedness rears its ugly head. No big deal, but in this case I don't like the fact it's purposely misleading someone.

Sega was on its last leg with DC. If the DC didn't take over the gaming world, then Sega was on the way out of hardware and that's what happened. They aren't even doing as well now selling games and I wouldn't be surprised to see all their games go multiplatform in the future. We'll see I guess.

How does saying that the Xbox will fail equate to biasedness?

1. There's no reason to think it will, at least not this generation.

2. I think he was referring to the comment about it having no other good games besides Halo.

I really don't see that as system bashing. I've heard numerous people here say that there's no good games on the Gamecube. If that's how you feel, that's how you feel. Plus, it's not unreasonable to think that a massively unprofitable system will fail.

See my post above.

It's one thing to say "I don't like any games on the gamecube."

It's another entirely to state factually "There are no good games on the gamecube."

It's either bias, or somebody being an elitist and thinking they get to decide what's good or bad, instead of just saying whether they like or dislike it.

Things like that are said all the time.

I didn't say they weren't. I just assume that they are just saying they don't like any of the games when say there are no good games, but it is annoying nevertheless.

Yeah, I guess I just don't even notice it anymore.

Can you show me some links of that being said Kellehair? I'd like to see the raging fanboys who posted that kind of tripe. To say there are no good games on the GCN is like saying there are no good games. Period.

Hmm.. I feel the opposite. I think it was gallant pig that had it broken down correctly with PS2 having the GTA games, FF games and platformers while the Xbox has FPS, Online, and sports. Personally I think the FF games have gotten old to say the least and the GTA games are only 2 games. If we want to add the GC then we would say they have the platformers and specialty games (party games) or something like that but I think that would actually be discounting some good games.
Anyway, back to the point I wanted to make about the statement above. In my personal opinion the PS2 has GTA:VC as a top seller this Christmas and that is about it. It has some good platformers as well but they aren't really top name. I have Ratchet & Clank but I know plenty of people who don't even know what it is. Now, when I look at what the Xbox has out LATELY and coming up I see a LOT more potential. November has been owned by the Xbox and would be so even if you didn't have LIVE in my opinion. Splinter Cell, MechAssault (actually good single player too), Ghost Recon, NHL2K3, and others fill out a good list of games for almost any gamer. The biggest surprise for me is the Xbox lacking in platformers. I remember seeing ton of Malice pics and really thought the system would have a lot. Maybe these will start coming in later but for now I look to the PS2 and play R&C and Sly Cooper(Christmas present for my son sure is nice for me too )

Xbox will be around for a long, long time. And, so will Playstaion and Nintendo systems. What it really gets down to is what system has the games that you want to play? PS2 has tons of games, but when you really look at the big picture, most of them are really really bad. Every system always has a few games that are really great and stand out. Xbox has Halo and now MechAssault and Ghost Recon seem to be getting a lot of attention. PS2 has Gran Tourismo, Vice City, whatever and GC has Mentroid and others..

I had a PS2, and it was cool but eventually I realized that Xbox was the system I wanted, so i traded in my PS2 and got the Xbox and I love it, especially now with Xbox Live. They all have online play but Xbox Live is the only system that's really doing it right.

It doesn't matter what system is "on top", it just matters what has the games you want to play. Figure that one out and whatever system you get will be the best for you

Do you really think that hasn't been said before on numerous occasions about all the systems?