Metal Gear Solid 3 on the Xbox (and Capcom purchase rumor)
 

From Computerandvideogames.com -

There is a MGS3???

I am not really that excited about it anymore to be honest.

Yeah - I thought MGS2 was pretty terrible except for the 20 minutes of actual gameplay (overexaggeration), so I'm not too excited about MGS3 yet - but I'll wait until I hear more before putting a verdict on it. Still - it's pretty big news for Xbox since MGS2 sold lots of PS2s when it came out. This, Rare and the whole Capcom thing means that Microsoft is on the right track. I didn't think Rare was worth it before, but after seeing Kameo and hearing that they'll be able to get games out faster is encouraging.

hey, maybe we'll get to play as solid snake this time..

That would be a great deal for MS. I have no problem with them buying exclusive agreements for games/series. It actually probably makes more sense to pay less money and get a companies big game as an exclusive instead of spending a boatload of money to buy the developer.

Wonder how long this thread will stay on topic?

Anyway, this is a great deal for Xbox. I like what Bill is doing. He is dumping huge amounts of cash this round to help build the Xbox reputation and name, plus purchasing what developers and exclusive titles he can.

MS is looking at the future of the Xbox. They will lose billions this round, but if I was Sony I might be a little worried about Xbox 2 vs PS3. Microsoft is positioning themselves to be a serious challenge in 2003 and on.

The Xbox is becoming a well known name in the market and they are going to have more serious exclusives in the next few years. Something they haven't had up until now. The biggest question is the Japanese market. MS really has to find away to get the Capcom deal done.

This may end up a little like the Genesis vs SNES. Genesis came our first and had a huge lead for a couple of years. But the SNES started building a steady line up of games and they both finished very close in the end.

Granted the Xbox probably won't finish close to the PS2 in sales, but reputation wise they may earn just as much respect with gamers by the end of the race and may come out strong against Sony in the next round.

I think MS is doing everything they can. If they eventually lose it won't be for a lack of trying.

Yeah you're right, it was more like 15.

A coup for MS, assuming the exclusivity period is more than a month or two.

[sarcastic voice]oh the xbox is never going to make it. It'll be just like the dreamcast... a dead system in like a year or less... [/sarcastic voice] riiiiiight....

Yes, Hideo Kojima said there would be more games in the MGS line and possibly an on-line MGS game as well. However, he said he would only supervise any MGS games from here on out and would not be as hands-on as he was with the other 2.

This move does not surprise me if true. MS obviously got an exclusivity deal with MGS2: Substance and it is no surprise that it would happen again with MGS3.

This is a good move for the X-Box as many people loved MGS2 (and I realize that many hated it as well).

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Why is it that you hate MS and Xbox?

You and tons of other people bought MGS2 for PS2 and many of you said that that game was owesome and great and now you say that you have no interest in MGS3!!

Is it because it's coming on Xbox first?

Many of you who criticise MS and Xbox System are just plain jealous and you all should stop highjacking threats.

Moderator Please Close this threat before some people starts to highjack this threat like they did with the previous one about MS buying Capcom.

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Trigger and Lastblade had no bad comments about Xbox or MS. They mentioned they had no interested in MGS3. In fact Trigger stated that Xbox is on the right track. As for shuki, if you'll notice he was using sarcasm, and his post is directed at the naysayers of the Xbox.

Why are you claiming that we bought the PS2 for MGS2? What are you talking about?

kar10, you just won the coveted award for Post of the Day. :lol:

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Ummmmmm... I think you may have missed something... like the parts you didn't quote ;).

I'm not holding my breath for this game, but by bringing more exclusive AAA titles, Xbox is definately going in the right direction!

Oh great. Metal Gear 3 exclusively on X-Box (well at least for a short time).

I've once said that wanting Microsoft to succede is like routing for the Empire in Star Wars. Looks like when Metal Gear Solid 3 comes out I might have to join Darth Gates and go to the "the Dark Side".

:whofart:

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Thanks Mr. context. :D

I appreciate the thought, but nobody's been out of line yet. :)

rotfl

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ummmm....dude.....:whofart:

If you paid any attention to other threads, you'd know that the guys you quoted are not anti-XBOX. They're some of the few defenders of the XBOX. Go look up the word SARCASM.

As for MGS3, I think it's great that XBOX is working hard to get recognized names in their game library. I'm pretty sure we'll get some great titles this fall/winter that will be big sellers (Splinter Cell and Blinx). But it helps to have a big name (if it's true).

I agree that it needs more gameplay time though, it was too much watching for my taste.

Actually, I like the xbox. I am going to buy one within a few months.

I am just not excited about the MGS franchise. I thought Hideo said he won't work on another MGS, maybe he changed his mind...

When MGS first came out for PSX, I was amazed, I bought the limited Japanese version (with all the goodies in a huge box) AND the US version. I played the PS2 version, it is just more of the same....

So now they are making 3, big deal. This is not a knock on Xbox at all.

Buying out every franchise just to make them your own is suck. I'm surprised to see so many people support this, we want competition not monopolies. Where's the Nintendo and Sony charity plates? I want to donate.

How is this any different from Sony's exclusive deal with Grand Theft Auto that was sealed with a bag of money at E3? How is this different from Nintendo's deal with Capcom to get Resident Evil as an exclusive? It's not. As alot of people on this forum like to point out - Microsoft is 3rd place in this console race and getting exclusives and buying developers is the name of the game... I don't see how this will create a monopoly... at best it'll help the Xbox to jump back to 2nd place. As we all know, 2nd place is the first loser. Sony hardly needs a collection plate for you to donate money to... :lol:

Because those deals are temporary and can be renegotiated. And they aren't for every game put out for that developer. Rockstar is making games for Xbox and GCN. Capcom is still making games for Xbox and PS2. A buyout is permanent. If Microsoft buys Capcom you will NEVER see ANY of their games on Sony or Nintendo systems.

That's not entirely true, because Microsoft is already in talks with Nintendo about porting some of their titles to the Gameboy. Blinx (an Xbox exclusive) is supposedly in the works.

-Lucky

You're right about the Gameboy Advanced games, I was talking about television consoles. Sorry.

I wasn't addressing the Capcom issue... I meant how is the Metal Gear 3 on Xbox first for 6 months different from the Sony and Nintendo deals. You're right about Capcom - once they get with Microsoft, it'll be awhile until we see a Capcom game on anything but an Xbox.

Sorry (again) for the confusion. You're right, it's not any different. In fact, it's only a temporary delay...PS2 will still be getting the game, so in that aspect it's better for gamers than most exclusive deals.

If it wasn't going to the PS2 but only to the GCN after that, would it be a bad deal for gamers? Do you consider Resident Evil on GCN to be bad for gamers?

Gallant, I agree with what you're saying. Any third party game that doesn't go to the PS2 is bad for casual gamers because they are most likely to own only a PS2.

But regardless of what system a game is exclusive to it's going to be bad for some gamers.

The best case scenario is for developers to port the game to all three consoles AND take the time to optimize each port.

That's unlikey to happen though, as developers mainly care about the bottom line and can get more (or as much) money by pocketing a bunch of cash to make the game exclusive to one system, or by designing it for the PS2 and half-assing the GC and X-box ports.

It's basically a lose-lose situation for any gamers that don't have the cash to buy, or free time to justfy owning, all three systems.

Maybe the best solution is for either Sony and Nintendo, or MS and Nintendo to team up. I really wouldn't be opposed to it if which ever system Nintendo teamed up with put out a $199 gaming only machine, either instead of or inaddition to the more expensive set-top boxes they seem to be going toward.

Yeah it bugs me when people act like a game has to go to PS2 or else it's betraying some sort of universal unwritten pact with the majority of gamers.

Sorry but if the majority of gamers wants to play *every* good game out there, they can buy another console. Josh, if you buy 2 consoles and aren't out of college, I'm not sure why most people couldn't, at least in the span of 2 years or so. I have no empathy for the majority of gamers (which is PS2 only owners).

I hope GCN and Xbox do have lifetime exclusivity on MGS3 and Kojima forgets about the lowest common denomintator and tries to make the best graphics possible with the best gameplay possible.

MGS2 certainly pushed the limits of the PS2 in the graphics department... I can't imagine how jaw-dropping a MGS game would be if it was designed to take advantage of the Xbox. :)

I don't even have a PS2. But since most gamers don't have all the consoles, it would be best for the gaming community as a whole if every game came out for every console, so if there's a game they wanted to play they wouldn't have to buy a console to do it.

Back in the real world, however, there are sound business reasons to go exclusive with one console or another. Not to mention that competition breeds better games (theoretically), which is in of itself best for all gamers.

In terms of multi-console games, I would much rather have games built for the Xbox and then ported to GCN and PS2, rather than built for PS2 and ported to GCN and Xbox (which seems to be the norm). That way, each system's version of the game looks and plays the best that it can for that system, rather than being stuck at the lowest system specs.

The question will be if there is anything besides the jaw dropping graphics. The problem with MGS2 was lack of game playing. Hopefully, they will fix that first in MGS3.

Well aside from there being less gameplay than movies, my biggest problem with that game was that the story was sooooo stupid. I couldn't even believe how stupid it was. I also couldn't believe how many people thought this was the best game ever. No accounting for taste I guess. (no offense to anyone who liked the game ;))

Well for some, it's because they're isn't enough games they want on the system(s) they don't own to justify buying them. For instance, I know a couple people in addition to myself that really want Halo, but there's not enough on the X-box other than it that's not available on the system(s) they already have.

It's even worse, IMO when the game is a third party game.


Like I said, the best possible situation for gamers would be for companies to make the game on all three systems, and take the time to optimize it for all three systems. There's not that much difference in power between the three consoles that developing for all 3 is going to make some versions not as good as they could be. The only reason multi console games end up being underwhelming is the developers half ass the port. They know they will make a killing on the PS2, and just rush out GCN and X-box versions to make a few bucks off the few gamers that don't on a PS2.

They could easily take the time to make the GCN and X-box ports take full advantage of the hardware. It's just not worth their time business wise, due to how far MS and Nintendo are behind Sony.

What do you "IF"? Your first chance is coming in 1 month ...

Metal Gear Solid 2 Substance

Just imagine if the number of polygons were to be tripled in the game. Now stop imagining and go buy the game. :-)

There are a lot more variables than "the developers half ass the port." Pressure from publishers to finish for the launch date, for instance. Less time to work on a port than the original. There are a lot of things that happen business wise and I'd say it's never the developers "know they will make a killing on the PS2."

A-Freakin'-MEN!

MGS2 was a preachy, incoherent mess IMO.

I'm still a little pissed about X-box getting the better version of MGS 2.

Well I was planning on getting a gamecube, but if this rumor turns out true...

I would still buy the GC for Animal Crossing alone based on the excitement it is generating :)

As far as the XBox getting an exclusive- great news for XBox owners.

as far as the Capcom possible buyout- well everyone knows what I think about that :)