I didn't really have much to say about the GC until my roommate brought one home... Before that, I would just discuss sales data and my opinions on whether or not they should go software only like Sega (except for the GBA which is their bread and butter). I have also expressed from time to time that most of the games on the system don't interest me which I think is perfectly acceptable considering the theads I was doing it in. Mostly though I have been just coming to defense of Xbox because it's the system that gets trashed on here most often. I've never been a big fan of nintendo and I've seen them as the evil corporation since the original NES. That's not where my comments are coming from though. I kinda wanted one and was thinking of getting a platinum one when it came out. My roommate bought one though so I don't have to now.

This is a forum, you know... it's a place for people to express opinions. I'm sorry if my opinions differ from yours. I surely don't say something in EVERY GC thread, but now that there's one in my house and I've had a chance to play with it - I can say that I'm not as impressed as I thought I would be. I'm not trying to piss anyone off, I'm just being honest. I think Resident Evil is really cool, but it's not graphically as impressive as it should've been. Eternal Darkness was graphically on par with RE if not better looking, but that's of course debateable. I thought the character models for RE were rendered more realistically, but ED looks a bit more polished anyway. RE for some reason looks a little grainy like a PS2 port or something.

As for games that exist now - here's how I'd actually rank the systems:

1. Xbox (far and away the best)
2. GC
3. Dreamcast (close to GC)
4. PS2

As for potential, I don't see how anything the GC has to offer is beyond what the PS2 is capable of. I'm sorry if it pisses you off that I have an opinion, I'm really not trying to stir anything up. If you want, you can always ignore me and my posts will disappear. I'm not the one who started this thread. I think you're also ignoring some people who do nothing but go into every xbox thread to trash Microsoft and the xbox. If you like the GC, it shouldn't matter what I say about it anyway. These are all just opinions.

Although I see the porting factor as a valid argument, but it may also be due to the disc size of Gamecube games. With a full size DVD you can fit 4.7 GB of information. Which allows the developers to increase texture size and other things that would make it look better. Since the Gamecube uses about half a DVD size, the developers have to compensate for what they can't fit on the disc. I have the XBOX version of NFL2k3 and it plays great and looks awesome.

How many games actually use the full 4.7gb?

This is what is so frustrating about being a XBOX owner. All that freak'n power and mostly crap games that do not use it. There are bright spots and the new releases look promising, but all and all, nothing has used the potential of the machine yet....

For those who missed it, I did switch TVs and NFL2K3 looks extremely better, right up there with the XBOX version I played. So the TV does matter, even if it is a smaller one.

But I know, overall, the GC has so much more potential.

Opinions are one thing, you often spout lies. For example...

Wha?

Huh?

Number of platformers released since the Gamecube's launch in November 2001: One (and it came out yesterday)

Number of additional platformers scheduled for release this year: One (Wario World...unless somebody can think of some I'm missing).

Nubmer of years that the SNES was kept in service up against the PS1: One

Number of years that the N64 was kept in service up against the PS2: One

Number of years the N64 was kept in service against the Xbox: Less than one week

Amen Trigger

Kellehair....I think it's a little extreme to say he's been "spouting lies".

Why is it okay to bash Microsoft and XBOX, but if anything that can be construed as even slightly negative is said about GC then people freak out?

I gotta agree with this (as a GC owner), if any of the posters here show an inferiority complex its the rabid N fans. I joke about the size of the boxs controllers and the size of the box and it never gets the reaction a lighthearted Cube joke gets.

Honestly, I think the XBox and GC partisans are about equal in terms of complaining about how their favored system is always being dissed. I take that as an indication that we're pretty even handed around here as far as the criticism goes.

Make Love, not war. Really.

I don't spout lies - maybe I'm wrong about a few things, but most of what I say is my opinion. As for the comment about mostly platformers coming out - that's probably just me cuz I consider all those first party games to be platformers - zelda, mario, smash brothers, monkey ball, pikmin - I know that only one of those is a true platformer, but I guess I just see the others that way in terms of graphics. I guess I didn't make my point very well... I was trying to say that graphics don't really matter too much on the GC because most of the games coming out for it are PS2 ports and first party games that have Mario platformer type graphics like zelda and monkey ball where the characters and environments don't have to look realistic, they just look like cartoons. I'm sorry for suggesting that most games for GC are platformer games - that's not really what I meant.

As for that other statement, Nintendo does tend to milk their consoles for as long as they can... NES was up against the Genesis for awhile before the SNES came out. They kept the NES running from 85 on and the SNES didn't arrive until 91 - the Genesis came out in 89. They also came out with the N64 in 96 and kept it going until the end of 01 when the Dreamcast came out in 99. They just have historically been a year or two late responding with competetive hardware. So maybe what I should've said was that they'll just keep the GCN in service for an extra year or two after the Xbox2 and PS3 arrive if they stay true to form. I think you're just nitpicking on my comments cuz you don't like people saying bad things about Nintendo. You'd think I was saying bad things about God or something... sheesh. :)

<small>did you see my reply to your Xbox comment in Thunderball's thread over in Other? It was just for you. :) </small>

Man, I knew this thread would be trouble the second I read the title. :)

It's not the Xbox or GC's fault that most games look underpar.

It definately comes down to the developers looking like asses when thay go the cheap way out and port a game from the PS2. As long as they keep making games for the ps2, the Xbox and GC will keep getting subpar games.

With most of the sites and magazines slamming the quality of the PS2 ports and blaming the developers for there laziness (as they should), we hopefully will see more and more developers dropping the ps2 like a bad habit after Christmas and finally see some good third party games coming to the Xbox and GC. Maybe if this happens it will force Sony to bring out the PS3 early and all games will be onpar.

As long as the ps2 exists we will have to put up with the subpar games for a little longer.

I don't think the Xbox and the GC will die anytime soon since the serious gamers have had a taste of real Blood (Xbox & GC) and won't settle for anymore of Sony's Ketchup.

I did! :up:

What's worse is that the PS2 is also being held back by Gamecube and Xbox, because developers make games with ports in mind, so they code for easier porting rather than coding to take full advantage of the PS2's weird but potentially powerful architecture. So what you get when you buy a multiplatform game is the worst of all worlds.

In fact, the only games I usually buy that come to multiple platforms are sports games. In every other genre, the exclusives are the best titles.

As for the Gamecube's graphics, there's not much difference between the consoles in this generation. They all push plenty of polys when the hardware is taken advantage of. The main difference comes in the special effects, and GC definitely has the advantage there over PS2. The water and reflections in Mario Sunshine are amazing, and really show the GC's multitexturing potential.

Yeah, it comes down to the fact that I LOVE sports games...I own NFL2K3, NBA Street and will soon own NBA2K2, NHL2K2 and others. Each of these is made for the PS2, generally, and the GameCube will most likely get a crappy port with uninspired graphics.

The GC for Die Another Day, the new Bond game coming out which looks fabulous, will most likely get a crappy port as well. Not looking forward to that....hopefully GC owners don't get screwed/

But they have to be f'n good looking cartoons. No matter what art style a 3D game has, poly count, textures, and effects are going to be important.

True, but I doubt that this guy:

http://www.nintendoweb.com/media/mar...sunshine17.jpg

Has as many as this guy:

http://gamecenter.taiwan.cnet.com/pr..._screen012.jpg

In Mario's case, the water effects and such are amazing, the draw distance is huge, and there's no slowdown. Textures aren't fabulous, but not as bad as I feared, and the poly count isn't bad either.

And if you haven't noticed from the recent shots, Doom's poly count ain't as high as we first thought. :)

Well, seeing it first hand in action at E3, I'd have to say it looks like they delivered.

Yeah, Aghama, the two things that immediately caught my attention in Super Mario Sunshine were the water effects and the incredible draw distance. It's wild being able to see levels you haven't yet cleared off in the distance, just waiting to be explored. I had low expectations for the graphics from the screenshots I'd seen, so I was pleased.

Oh, I wasn't implying that Doom was going to look crappy, it's going to be bloody gorgeous. But that's Carmack and his wonderful bag of tricks for ya.

chimming in here:
i usually try to stay out of these threads because they become a bashing, why u dissin my system bro, whinning fest.
but back to the orginal question posted:
Graphic wise the GC is NOT on the bottom.
XBX
GC
PS2

from a strickly hardware stand point this is the ranking with the XBX being on top. however, because of what has been stated here already when dealing with multi-platform you code for the lowest which is the ps2. so multi-platform games on other systems look like ass.
i usually don't buy multi-platform because of this reason.

i was having an issue with which platform my 2k3 game should reside on, and it looks like the xbox now over the gc. which is a good thing, cause after the monkies came out, my xbox doesn't see much play. ;)

my 2.2 cents