Rayman? What's similar to a waterpack in the Rayman games? I own (and have finished) Rayman and Rayman 2, but I don't remember anything like that...

This has already been discussed on these boards.

Mario 64 was the first game of it's kind, it broke new ground, etc. Mario Sunshine is not that. It is however a great game. In addition the title is not being released as close to Xmas as Mario64 was.

7 blocks sounds great...typical Nintendo fashion, glad to finally confirm it.

Mezzanine- the way in which Rayman is able to fly/glide (however you want to call it) is what I was speaking of. Such as the Rayman series, Mario is able to jump and then glide around some more via the waterpack.

Not a big deal or anything, just mentioning the relationship between the two. I'm sure there was SOME influence from Rayman...hell, Rayman 2 is one of my favorite platformers ever.

Didn't take long for the Nintendo bashers to crap up this thread.

For those who don't have access to the IGN review, IGN points out that the few minor problems in the game are so negligible compared to the overall greatness of the rest of the game, that they don't come close to hurting the game. That is why the game still received such a great score from them.

IGN's score of 9.4 is consistent with the other Super Mario Sunshine review scores that have been released so far:

Famitsu: (9, 9, 9, 10)
EGM: (9.5, 9.5, 9.5)

And as for Mario ripping off Rayman, don't forget in Mario 64 (which was released before any Rayman 3D game), Mario was able to fly with the wing cap and float/hover while holding onto the owl character. Plus Mario has been flying, floating, and hovering since his 8-bit (SMB 2 & 3) and 16-bit (SMW 1 & 2) days.

Heck LOTS of games do that! I think even waaaay back in Joust you could make the bird flap its wings when you jumped.

Stop it CreatureX! Your using logic! The pain...

I suppose so... but Mario can fly upwards, while Rayman could usually only glide downwards (with a couple exceptions). And of course, Mario's waterpack has other uses, such as spraying enemies and cleaning up messes.

Am I missing something? I haven't noticed any bashing going on in this thread. Are people no longer allowed to express reservations about a particular game? Mike AA (who happens to own a Gamecube IIRC) has simply expressed a few opinions. Nothing wrong with that. If you disagree, post a reply refuting his points. I dislike console bashing as much as anyone and it certainly happens here on occasion but I think you're being a bit over-sensitive this time. There is a difference between bashing a console and thoughtfully expressing your opinion about a console. When somebody starts posting "[console] is doomed/sux!" then you can cry wolf.

Back on topic, I've played SMS and enjoyed it. All the flaws that have been mentioned are there and after all the time invested in it's development, I can understand if some people are disappointed that the game is not perfect. However, the game is ultimately fun to play and that's all that matters to me when deciding whether to get the game. I'm sold.

Explain to me what "Dated controller scheme (big A button?)" and "dated memory block system" have to do with IGN's review of Super Mario Sunshine. Crap like that is uncalled-for console-bashing, pure and simple.

Well, that is hardly the first time someone has posted something that had little to do with the thread topic. It's basically a given in any thread that there will be some posts which are off-topic. That doesn't make it console bashing. He's just stating his opinion. Just because you and I may disagree with him, doesn't mean he isn't entitled to it. If people can't post opinions here, then what's the point of having a message board?

Piracy cut into PSX sales, especially in the last couple of years.

N64 was actually more profitable per unit for Nintendo than PSX was for Sony, and, some people theorize that the last generation wasn't that far apart in terms of profits.

These numbers matter far less to gamers than the installed user base numbers, where Sony whipped Nintendo, though.

As for Super Mario Sunshine, from what I hear, the IGN review is the harshest of any so far. I think the consensus is that it's a tremendously fun, challenging and rewarding game, but it doesn't advance gaming the way Mario 64 did. And some of the textures suck.

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OK, glad to see we've gone from Sunshine to PS2 piracy.

Anyways, three points:

1) Yes, Mario should always be available the day a Nintendo system is released. Bad move on their part. But frankly, this is a huge title for them, and obviously they didn't want to take any chances screwing it up. Sure, the FMV scenes are weak, the storyline and presentation as well, but when it comes to Mario games, only gameplay and fun factor mean anything. That's the reason we can all go back on the NES and SNES and play our favorite Mario titles....graphics and other things don't come close to rivaling gameplay in a title like this.

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And the graphics aren't bad. From the movies I've seen, the animations and art design seem to make up for some of the weaker textures.

Supposedly this is a very good game, and Mario has never disappointed me yet.

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2) Speaking of this game's importance, it REALLY seems like the GC is taking a backseat to the XBOX these days. The PS2 is ahead for good, but this is a title Nintendo really needs to sell well to get the GC back in the public eye. While at one minute it seems like I'm hearing about Mario everywhere, it isn't even close to the media/cultural frenzy when Mario 64 came out. I won't say I'm worried for Nintendo, but I definitely don't want this to be a dissapointing seller.

This game is already a huge seller. It sold 400,000 copies in Japan right out of the gate. If this game only has worldwide sales of 3 million, it will be a failure. All the major chains are building gamecube incentive deals around this game.

What Xbox games is this taking a back seat to?

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3) And finally, a random thought, is the waterpack a total rip-off or influence from the Rayman series? I like the idea, but I haven't really seen that mentioned; almost seems like people think the waterpack is some ingenius idea.

Mario games have implemented gliding/flying since Super Mario Bros 2. Everything else borrows mechanics from Mario, not the other way around.


OH, and does anyone know the memory card space needed for this game? And yes, the memory card's suck...at least the 251 is doable.

Yeah, so what does this "IIRC" stand for? Not to get off topic again or anything

If I Recall Correctly (IIRC)

EGM gave it a GOLD rating

My roommate owns a GC and despite the positive reviews it has been getting, he will not be getting Super Mario Sunshine - I won't say why, because that topic is taboo here. He's a big fan of Mario too, so I dunno. He still plans to get Zelda and proably Metroid.

wow, nice post full of useful information that everyone here can enjoy and benefit from. your subtle dig on mario has already been noted (in your thread about "good gameplay"), we don't need your "roommate" to get involved. thats like a guy who tells the doctor that his "friend" gets a burning sensation when he uninates, and he wanted him to ask the doctor a couple questions about it.

That's the most ludicrous accusation I've heard in a while.

Well, if you had read the entire thread, my post would've made sense. People have been discussing how many people will buy this game and all that and since I don't own a gamecube but there's one in my house, I figured I now had the right to chime in about it. It's not a subtle dig on Mario either - Personally, I'm not a fan of the Mario series... I haven't liked anything after the original Donkey Kong really. I don't need to be subtle about it - if I want to say it, then I will. I was just saying that my roommate, who is a big fan of Mario games, wasn't going to be picking this one up. I didn't disclose his reason because it would be rude here. I didn't want to pick fights, I just wanted to post info about how not everyone is going to be getting this game. You don't need to jump on me. What kind of contribution to this thread is your only post? nice bargain

This is pathetic people.

If people make stupid comments just ignore them. That goes for everyone.

that would go around the purpose of the internet to slander people anonymously

Tuesday isnt getting here fast enough . I've been spending a lot of time at my local target playing this game and I gotta tell you I love it. I've loved it since I played it at E3, and cant wait to load it up into my GC. I do realize a lot of people dont like this game and last night was further proof. I went into GameStop to talk to a worker I know there these two guys walk in and start asking about "good games coming out next week". Me being excited about Mario Sunshine told him all about it. He took one look at me and shrugged off everything I just told him. Saying "I need the opinion of a gamer not some manager who says 'buy this youll like it'." I turned to DLogic who was with me, then I looked at him and said "I don't work here j@cka$#" He got really quiet and apologized. He told me "I would like to get it but from everything I've read it just sounds like Mario 64 with a new coat of paint". I suggested he to Target and play it to find out for himself because it was obvious the opinion of a gamer wasnt what he really wanted. He sucked his teeth and just mumbled on about how he doesnt feel like playing it, and how he buyu Resident evil 0 because its not a new RE. title

I had to walk away before I strangled him. Bottom line is Everyone has their own tastes, and I think people who like mario and loved Mario 64 should at least rent this title. I do tire of people who read something and make their final judgement from a magazine. (Did I just say that?) I know I've been very judgmental of many things, and I know when Im wrong, but I know I'll be happy with this title.

For those of you about get some Sunshine...

If that werent so long it would be my new sig.

SMALL FONT!! SMALL FONT!!

Gamers.com gave it a perfect 10.

"In short, Sunshine is a thoroughbred classic through and through, and anyone with the slightest inclination will be putting their $50 in the right hands when they pick it up. It has more flair, more variety, and thanks in no small part to the vibrant summertime theme, more sheer fun than just about anything else you could play, on any platform."

For the full review click the link below.

http://www.gamers.com/game/1048012