Nintendo of France says Rare is going multiplatform.
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Nintendo of France says Rare is going multiplatform.
This is a French site, so the translation is underneath the link
http://www.cubenation.com/news.php#566
In other words, Mathieu Minel, he's the marketing head for Gamecube in France, said in an interview that Rare was indeed going multiplatform but would still do games for Nintendo, and that all the Nintendo owned license that Rare worked on would stay exclusive for the Gamecube.
Probably best to wait for an official press release, but I figured I would throw some more gasoline on the already raging fire.
http://www.cubenation.com/news.php#566
Nintendo is uncorrectable. Many english magazines, and the internet website IGNCube have been stating that 2nd Party Developer Rareware, will approach a mulitplatform politic. The two best friends, repeatedly stated that the relations between the two were as normal as ever, high hopes, and the rumors were false. Yesterday, a Nintendo representative hid the truth once again, and rejected Matt Cassamassina's (IGNCube cheif) reports.
Today, a Nintendo representative spoke out. "Rareware will surely create and publish games for the Playstation 2, and the Xbox", receiving this information from Mathieu Minel of Nintendo of France. "This will not change the relationship between Nintendo and Rareware". "Licensed Nintendo games will remain exclusive to Gamecube" How could this happen with Nintendo playing such a large role, and owning a large enough percentage of the company? "Nintendo will sell some of its share in the company, which it possesses."
Today, a Nintendo representative spoke out. "Rareware will surely create and publish games for the Playstation 2, and the Xbox", receiving this information from Mathieu Minel of Nintendo of France. "This will not change the relationship between Nintendo and Rareware". "Licensed Nintendo games will remain exclusive to Gamecube" How could this happen with Nintendo playing such a large role, and owning a large enough percentage of the company? "Nintendo will sell some of its share in the company, which it possesses."
Probably best to wait for an official press release, but I figured I would throw some more gasoline on the already raging fire.
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Seems this should be merged with the other Nintendo thread going on...
If this is true, do we really see Nintendo making another console after gamecube?
I have heard rumors of Perfect Dark 0 going to Xbox from many, do you think this will happen?
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If this is true, do we really see Nintendo making another console after gamecube?
I have heard rumors of Perfect Dark 0 going to Xbox from many, do you think this will happen?
-Jim
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The first paragraph says he rejected the rumors, and the second paragraph says he basically said the rumors were true. Maybe the translation screwed up some of those words.
Anyway, as long as they keep making cube games, I'm happy.
Anyway, as long as they keep making cube games, I'm happy.
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Originally posted by zig
The first paragraph says he rejected the rumors, and the second paragraph says he basically said the rumors were true. Maybe the translation screwed up some of those words.
The first paragraph says he rejected the rumors, and the second paragraph says he basically said the rumors were true. Maybe the translation screwed up some of those words.
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I have heard rumors of Perfect Dark 0 going to Xbox from many, do you think this will happen?
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Either way I think it will be quite a while until we see PD0 on any system. Unless they've been lying to us all this time about how almost nobody is working on it.
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Originally posted by zig
Either way I think it will be quite a while until we see PD0 on any system. Unless they've been lying to us all this time about how almost nobody is working on it.
Either way I think it will be quite a while until we see PD0 on any system. Unless they've been lying to us all this time about how almost nobody is working on it.
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Originally posted by YujiNaka
If this is true, do we really see Nintendo making another console after gamecube?
-Jim
If this is true, do we really see Nintendo making another console after gamecube?
-Jim
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Originally posted by YujiNaka
If this is true, do we really see Nintendo making another console after gamecube?
-Jim
If this is true, do we really see Nintendo making another console after gamecube?
-Jim
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I think they might skip the next generation of consoles and either extend the gamecube's life or just focus in the handheld market even more. I just can't imagine that Nintendo would ever give up on the console market and just make games. But I guess people said the same thing about Sega.
By the way, where did you read that they're selling the gamecube at a loss? I thought they were profitting at 200 dollars, and are just about breaking even at 150.
By the way, where did you read that they're selling the gamecube at a loss? I thought they were profitting at 200 dollars, and are just about breaking even at 150.
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There are a million and one rumors about this. The latest (and most believable) is that Nintendo is allowing RARE to go multi-platform with online games. Nintendo feels the market would be too small otherwise. SEGA may actually handle the network.
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Originally posted by zig
By the way, where did you read that they're selling the gamecube at a loss? I thought they were profitting at 200 dollars, and are just about breaking even at 150.
By the way, where did you read that they're selling the gamecube at a loss? I thought they were profitting at 200 dollars, and are just about breaking even at 150.
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I would be very surprised to see a next gen Nintendo console. Why absorb the costs of hardware and marketing when you can be a hired gun like Sega and be chased after like a cheerleader on prom night?
How much do you think theyre making on liscencing? Third partys arent exactly breaking down their doors. I would bet they have paid more out to Capcom for exclusivity than theyve made on all the third party liscencing they got so far.
So... if your money is coming almost entirely from first party titles why are you making a console again? To increase expenses? This is a business.
How much do you think theyre making on liscencing? Third partys arent exactly breaking down their doors. I would bet they have paid more out to Capcom for exclusivity than theyve made on all the third party liscencing they got so far.
So... if your money is coming almost entirely from first party titles why are you making a console again? To increase expenses? This is a business.
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Originally posted by joltaddict
How much do you think theyre making on liscencing? Third partys arent exactly breaking down their doors. I would bet they have paid more out to Capcom for exclusivity than theyve made on all the third party liscencing they got so far.
How much do you think theyre making on liscencing? Third partys arent exactly breaking down their doors. I would bet they have paid more out to Capcom for exclusivity than theyve made on all the third party liscencing they got so far.
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As I've said all along, it's likely to happen, and I don't think it's a huge deal.
Rare is a great developer, but there quality over quantity approach makes them almost a non-factor in the console war. I mean the Gamecube's been out since November, and they've yet to release a game. They'll probably only put out 3-5 games this whole generation.
Hardly enough to sway the console war in Nintendo's favor if they stayed exclusive, so there's no reason for Nintendo to pay them millions to stay second party, which is what it would take IMO, as Rare stands to make much more money going third party and widening their audience.
I'm not saying it won't hurt Nintendo at all if we see games like PD0 on other systems, I'm just saying it's not a backbreaker.
Nintendo can do just fine without them.
I've always thought they were somewhat overrated anyway. The only games of theirs I've loved are Banjo Kazooie, Blast Corps, and the original Battletoads.
Goldeneye and Perfect Dark were very good, but I wasn't as crazy about them as most as I don't like FPSs very much.
Diddy Kong Racing was OK, but really no better than Mario Kart, and Jet Force Gemini sucked. That's all their games I can think of off the top of my head.
I'm also tired of notions that Nintendo going third party like Sega. It won't happen. They are very profitable, Sega wasn't, end of story.
Nintendo actually makes a profit on each gamecube sold, even after the price drop. So everytime someone buys a gamecube to play Mario, Metroid, Zelda, etc. Nintendo makes an extra profit on the system, not to mention extra controllers and memory cards.
Rare is a great developer, but there quality over quantity approach makes them almost a non-factor in the console war. I mean the Gamecube's been out since November, and they've yet to release a game. They'll probably only put out 3-5 games this whole generation.
Hardly enough to sway the console war in Nintendo's favor if they stayed exclusive, so there's no reason for Nintendo to pay them millions to stay second party, which is what it would take IMO, as Rare stands to make much more money going third party and widening their audience.
I'm not saying it won't hurt Nintendo at all if we see games like PD0 on other systems, I'm just saying it's not a backbreaker.
Nintendo can do just fine without them.
I've always thought they were somewhat overrated anyway. The only games of theirs I've loved are Banjo Kazooie, Blast Corps, and the original Battletoads.
Goldeneye and Perfect Dark were very good, but I wasn't as crazy about them as most as I don't like FPSs very much.
Diddy Kong Racing was OK, but really no better than Mario Kart, and Jet Force Gemini sucked. That's all their games I can think of off the top of my head.
I'm also tired of notions that Nintendo going third party like Sega. It won't happen. They are very profitable, Sega wasn't, end of story.
Nintendo actually makes a profit on each gamecube sold, even after the price drop. So everytime someone buys a gamecube to play Mario, Metroid, Zelda, etc. Nintendo makes an extra profit on the system, not to mention extra controllers and memory cards.
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Do you have any facts to back up any of those claims?
Do you have any facts to back up any of those claims?
Im talking purely about the business models. Microsoft and Sony need an install base to attract developers to get licensing fees. Sega and Nintendo have the software already. They have the games everybody wants to play.
I dont think its wild speculation to assume that Nintendo isnt getting alot of income from developers outside of the GBA. It may be wild speculation to say that RE exclusivity cost them a serious amount of cash but Capcom didnt do it because they love Nintendo. They are not attracting outside developers and they arent getting what they could out of selling their franchises to the widest possible audience.
Do you guys think Im saying the Gamecube is breaking them? Im not. Would it be a more profitable business model to go for the fees of of the GBA and whore themselves out on the next gen console? Oh yeah. Who wouldnt buy a Nintendo first party title if they didnt have to invest in a console just for Mario/Zelda/Metroid? Every gamer on the planet.
I got a Gamecube at launch, BTW. I LOVE Nintendos games.
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I see a much wider market for Nintendo games if they were multiplatform..
I personally, and I imagine many others, like Nintendo games, but dont want to get a Nintendo system just for a few games.. when I would rather have a PS2 or Xbox that has many more games that I want on it.
If Nintendo made games for Xbox, I would most likely be picking up Super Mario Sunshine, as well as Metroid Prime.
I think they'd make more selling games on other systems, than the paltry if any profit they make on the systems and controllers and however else they make money on gamecube besides selling their own games.
I definately see Nintendo going multiplatform after Gamecube, and riding on GBA success for a while.. Do we plan for a Gamecube successor for another 5-7 years probably?
The console wars will be between Sony and Microsoft in the long run, and Sega and Microsoft will be content kings.
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I personally, and I imagine many others, like Nintendo games, but dont want to get a Nintendo system just for a few games.. when I would rather have a PS2 or Xbox that has many more games that I want on it.
If Nintendo made games for Xbox, I would most likely be picking up Super Mario Sunshine, as well as Metroid Prime.
I think they'd make more selling games on other systems, than the paltry if any profit they make on the systems and controllers and however else they make money on gamecube besides selling their own games.
I definately see Nintendo going multiplatform after Gamecube, and riding on GBA success for a while.. Do we plan for a Gamecube successor for another 5-7 years probably?
The console wars will be between Sony and Microsoft in the long run, and Sega and Microsoft will be content kings.
-Jim
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I'm also tired of notions that Nintendo going third party like Sega. It won't happen. They are very profitable
I'm also tired of notions that Nintendo going third party like Sega. It won't happen. They are very profitable
You play to your strengths and hardware isnt what made Nintendo great. I think its damn near a certainty youll see Mario and the gang on the PS3.
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I just don't see it happening.
Nintendo is too proud of a company and they are very profitable in their current form.
They could probably make a little more money going multiplatform, but I think most people that really want the games will buy their consoles for it.
I personally think all three companies will be around at least through next generation, and personally think MS is in the most precarious position beyond that do to struggles overseas. But who knows, maybe a console that is only successful in the U.S. can survive and stick around. Time will tell.
Nintendo is too proud of a company and they are very profitable in their current form.
They could probably make a little more money going multiplatform, but I think most people that really want the games will buy their consoles for it.
I personally think all three companies will be around at least through next generation, and personally think MS is in the most precarious position beyond that do to struggles overseas. But who knows, maybe a console that is only successful in the U.S. can survive and stick around. Time will tell.
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Nintendo is too proud of a company and they are very profitable in their current form.
Nintendo is too proud of a company and they are very profitable in their current form.
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This is a long way off anyway... the best test for this will be to look at Sega in a year to see how they've fared as a software only company. Maybe it'll work and maybe it won't. I'm sure Nintendo is watching closely at the very least.
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Maybe stubborn would be a better word than proud. They've always been in the hardware industry and always been profitable at it. I think they'll keep at it until they get to the top again or are near bankrupt (which is the only case I see them going 3rd party).
I don't see them supporting MS or Sony. For one there's a lot of bad blood between them and Sony over the failed partnership of the CD addon for the SNES. And MS tried to buy them before making the X-box and they turned them down.
Plus their strategies are totally different. MS and Sony are going for a set top box (which I hate and won't buy) while Nintendo wants to stick to games only and thinks they can be profitable doing so.
If that turns out to be false, and they are no longer profitable, then I see them going third party.
As long as they continue turning record profits, I don't see them leaving the hardware industry to join up with companies they have bad blood with and that have very different ideas on the direction the video game industry should take, just to increase their profit margin.
I mean, do you think Sega would have went third party if the Dreamcast had been profitable? Probably not. They were losing tons of money and had no choice.
Nintendo is profitable and has a choice. They'll stay in the hardware business until they are no longer making huge profits.
I don't see them supporting MS or Sony. For one there's a lot of bad blood between them and Sony over the failed partnership of the CD addon for the SNES. And MS tried to buy them before making the X-box and they turned them down.
Plus their strategies are totally different. MS and Sony are going for a set top box (which I hate and won't buy) while Nintendo wants to stick to games only and thinks they can be profitable doing so.
If that turns out to be false, and they are no longer profitable, then I see them going third party.
As long as they continue turning record profits, I don't see them leaving the hardware industry to join up with companies they have bad blood with and that have very different ideas on the direction the video game industry should take, just to increase their profit margin.
I mean, do you think Sega would have went third party if the Dreamcast had been profitable? Probably not. They were losing tons of money and had no choice.
Nintendo is profitable and has a choice. They'll stay in the hardware business until they are no longer making huge profits.