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Re: The Mandalorian (S3E01) - "Chapter 17: The Apostate" - 3/1/23
My son and I enjoyed the setup but it was too short.
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Re: The Mandalorian (S3E01) - "Chapter 17: The Apostate" - 3/1/23
Originally Posted by Joe Schmoe
(Post 14241863)
I was underwhelmed by this episode, and after Andor, it felt a bit childish. How much time passed between S2 and S3? Navarro was sure different. I appreciated the update on Cara Dune, and Grogu was as cute as ever, but...
With Greef Karga being the High Magistrate, it didn't seem reasonable for him to waste so much time helping Mando resurrect a dead droid or to get down on his hands and knees in public. I mean, the guy had 2 droids carrying his robe and repeatedly reminded everyone about the "high" part of his new title, so to see him down on the ground didn't seem right. And Mando trying so hard to resurrect IG-11 also seemed unreasonable. Was this Favreau's plan all along for the character or did he regret killing him off? The scene where Mando spoke with the Armorer felt like a rehash of their conversation in The Book of Boba Fett. I think it was there for the benefit of anyone who skipped that show, but to me it felt like wasted time. So Mando flies to a planet with a Mandalorian castle and just happens to find Bo Katan lounging on the throne? What are the odds (unless she never moves from that spot)? The pirate king looked like a cheap Halloween costume, and that one pirate arguing with Greef because he couldn't get a drink where the school now stood was a flimsy excuse for them to fight. I'm looking forward to next week's episode but with much lowered expectations. My other knock is the Filoni-verse vibes. I know you all keep saying Clone Wars is great, but it is pure dreck. I know, I know ... just because we didn't see it in the original movies doesn't mean it can't exist ... but I don't like the way everything has to be something new (e.g., Captain Cabbage Slop the Pirate King). I could live with the space whales, but I hated the time travel aspect of Rebels. Most of all, the Filoni-verse just feels so childish. I'm not a guy who hates the Ewoks, even ... but this is far beyond that even. There is nothing complex about it. Scenes and characters just exist because ... well, it feels like lazy writing to push us forward it trope-driven stories we have seen before. No, I don't expect it to be Andor, but I expect it to not feel like 8-year old me is in the sandbox making it up. Those were fun times, don't get me wrong. Especially when He-Man's villains teamed up with the Dinobots and Luke to take down a Rancor and and AT-AT .... or a Rancor RIDING an AT-AT! MY (yes, I know what I said there, it isn't mine) Star Wars is simultaneously family-friendly while still being a bit heady politically with motivated characters. I still have that, so I'm not bitching. Mandalorian brings me just enough of it that I will keep tuning in. |
Re: The Mandalorian (S3E01) - "Chapter 17: The Apostate" - 3/1/23
Originally Posted by Rob V
(Post 14241882)
Ok, one more nit-pick. Why does Din need IG-11 to help him navigate? He can't find ANY other droid to assist him? So you go on a cross-galaxy adventure to find a part to put back together a droid that wants to kill you and blew up and melted in lava. Fan pandering at its best.
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Re: The Mandalorian (S3E01) - "Chapter 17: The Apostate" - 3/1/23
I thought it was fun. "Bad baby" genuinely made me laugh out loud. The thing I think that bugs me the most is his new ship. A slightly modified one-man starfighter seems totally impractical for flying around the galaxy. There's a reason they are always carried around in bigger ships or used for planetary defense. It's dumb and I hate it.
Other than that, I just enjoy watching for what it is. I don't miss Cara Dune the character or the actress one bit. I hope they get Cobb Vanth to come be the marshall on (forgot planet name). That would be a nice reunion. |
Re: The Mandalorian (S3E01) - "Chapter 17: The Apostate" - 3/1/23
Per a YouTuber that everyone hates (and another that shall remain nameless), reviewers got the first two episodes and E2 is not only longer but very very good.
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Re: The Mandalorian (S3E01) - "Chapter 17: The Apostate" - 3/1/23
Originally Posted by Deftones
(Post 14241827)
My wife and I both thought the beginning was a flashback, too. :lol:
Fun episode, and those little droid mechanics were great, and nice to see them done with practical effects, it's much more organic looking. |
Re: The Mandalorian (S3E01) - "Chapter 17: The Apostate" - 3/1/23
I'm sorry, but that really was a terrible episode.
a couple of shoe-horned hokey battle sequences in between a bunch of inane exposition. the big alligator sequence was beyond cringy. not a good start, IMO. |
Re: The Mandalorian (S3E01) - "Chapter 17: The Apostate" - 3/1/23
This episode definitely felt like it was doing nothing but setting things up but it felt like it was trying to set up the entire season in one episode. All the did was fly from one place to another for brief meetings and then fly somewhere else.
I did enjoy the practical effects of the “Droidsmiths” and Grogu is as cute as ever. His using the force to spins the chair was especially cute. It’s been awhile since we’ve seen an actual space battle so that was a welcome sight. The IG-11 stuff didn’t make a ton of sense and the Mandalorian folklore stuff doesn’t really intrigue me much. I also don’t care for Mando’s spaceship. Aside from being impractical, the Razor Crest was just so cool, it’s a shame it’s no longer around. |
Re: The Mandalorian (S3E01) - "Chapter 17: The Apostate" - 3/1/23
I still have the Razorcrest Lego set. Great ship and design.
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Re: The Mandalorian (S3E01) - "Chapter 17: The Apostate" - 3/1/23
As others have said, this show is a video game. Go there, meet a guy, get a part, go back get a quest, fight a boss, meet someone you clearly cannot trust (they betray you), fight them, get some macguffin, fight the big boss.
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Re: The Mandalorian (S3E01) - "Chapter 17: The Apostate" - 3/1/23
Was in no rush to see this episode and not good, reminded me of Rise of Skywalker. Hopefully second episode is better, no need to remember this one.
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Re: The Mandalorian (S3E01) - "Chapter 17: The Apostate" - 3/1/23
I thought it was okay, but not among the better episodes of this show. The opening scene with the big croc monster is kind of a slap in the face to the great season 2 opener, in which the entire episode is devoted to killing the giant krayt dragon. A lot of time and effort and thought and peril put into defeating the dragon. And then here Mando just swoops in and boom-boom, see you later alligator. Maybe that was the intent of that scene--to be some kind of ironic callback to the krayt dragon battle. If so, I think it isn't a good idea to diminish one of the best episodes of the series.
I always like seeing Carl Weathers again, and Grogu and the droid mechanics (definitely should be a band name) were fun. That lead thug-alien guy that Mando didn't kill had a look that reminded me of someone--maybe from another SW property or maybe a different IP altogether, but I can't remember who. The space whales were cool to see--even if only the shadowy glimpse we got. |
Re: The Mandalorian (S3E01) - "Chapter 17: The Apostate" - 3/1/23
Originally Posted by Cellar Door
(Post 14243615)
I thought it was okay, but not among the better episodes of this show. The opening scene with the big croc monster is kind of a slap in the face to the great season 2 opener, in which the entire episode is devoted to killing the giant krayt dragon. A lot of time and effort and thought and peril put into defeating the dragon. And then here Mando just swoops in and boom-boom, see you later alligator. Maybe that was the intent of that scene--to be some kind of ironic callback to the krayt dragon battle. If so, I think it isn't a good idea to diminish one of the best episodes of the series.
I always like seeing Carl Weathers again, and Grogu and the droid mechanics (definitely should be a band name) were fun. That lead thug-alien guy that Mando didn't kill had a look that reminded me of someone--maybe from another SW property or maybe a different IP altogether, but I can't remember who. The space whales were cool to see--even if only the shadowy glimpse we got. |
Re: The Mandalorian (S3E01) - "Chapter 17: The Apostate" - 3/1/23
Originally Posted by rw2516
(Post 14243671)
To me it seemed like a throwaway action sequence to start the season with a bang, but has no real bearing on the rest of the story. Like the pre-credits of some Bonds, Indiana Jones movies, battle on Hoth in ESB or sand barge in ROTJ. Once it's over you can forget about it.
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Re: The Mandalorian (S3E01) - "Chapter 17: The Apostate" - 3/1/23
Originally Posted by kefrank
(Post 14243680)
The problem with this scene is that it didn't even have any internally-established tension. The only character in the scene we have any knowledge of was the Armorer who has had a handful of short, if notable, scenes in the show. No one of significance was in any danger that required fighting back against the croc. They could have all simply fallen back into the cave as far as I could tell. It really needed a better setup.
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Re: The Mandalorian (S3E01) - "Chapter 17: The Apostate" - 3/1/23
Obligatory (now that I watched it again) ... the kid was terrible.
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Re: The Mandalorian (S3E01) - "Chapter 17: The Apostate" - 3/1/23
I read some reviews that said the conversation between Din and The Armorer was retconned in this episode. On The Book of Boba Fett, after he asks if there's any way he can redeem himself after removing his helmet in front of someone, she tells him he can by bathing in the waters on Mandalore, but on this show she tells him there's no way to redeem himself, and he informs her he can if he bathes in the waters on Mandalore. Is this right? Did Favreau switch things up?
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Re: The Mandalorian (S3E01) - "Chapter 17: The Apostate" - 3/1/23
Originally Posted by Abob Teff
(Post 14242192)
He needs IG-11 because that is the only droid he trusts ... even though his personality has been wiped, his programming restored back to bounty hunter mode, most of the parts have been replaced, needs some suspension work and shocks. Brakes, brake pads, lining, steering box, transmission, rear-end ... Also new rings, muffler, a little wiring.
But THAT is the only droid he trusts. |
Re: The Mandalorian (S3E01) - "Chapter 17: The Apostate" - 3/1/23
Please help me understand bc I must have missed something. I’m rewatching the series and having a blast. The end of S2, the last scene is Luke going off with Grogu. Now, in this episode, Grogu is back and Mando has a new ship. What did I miss?
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Re: The Mandalorian (S3E01) - "Chapter 17: The Apostate" - 3/1/23
Originally Posted by OldBoy
(Post 14397494)
Please help me understand bc I must have missed something. I’m rewatching the series and having a blast. The end of S2, the last scene is Luke going off with Grogu. Now, in this episode, Grogu is back and Mando has a new ship. What did I miss?
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Re: The Mandalorian (S3E01) - "Chapter 17: The Apostate" - 3/1/23
Really? We're made to watch that prior? That’s some bs.
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Re: The Mandalorian (S3E01) - "Chapter 17: The Apostate" - 3/1/23
Originally Posted by OldBoy
(Post 14397525)
Really? Were made to watch that prior? That’s some bs.
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Re: The Mandalorian (S3E01) - "Chapter 17: The Apostate" - 3/1/23
Originally Posted by OldBoy
(Post 14397525)
Really? Were made to watch that prior? That’s some bs.
I knew that would be your response. Yeah just skip several chapters of the story then whine about being confused. -rolleyes- |
Re: The Mandalorian (S3E01) - "Chapter 17: The Apostate" - 3/1/23
Originally Posted by OldBoy
(Post 14397494)
Please help me understand bc I must have missed something. I’m rewatching the series and having a blast. The end of S2, the last scene is Luke going off with Grogu. Now, in this episode, Grogu is back and Mando has a new ship. What did I miss?
ETA: Should've known you all would beat me to it. rotfl |
Re: The Mandalorian (S3E01) - "Chapter 17: The Apostate" - 3/1/23
Saw those 3 Boba eps. Now, it makes perfect sense. not sure how i forgot that and weird to see mostly The Mandalorian and Grogu story in an entirely other series. i guess i forgot bc Book of Boba Fett wasn't too memorable.
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