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GoldenJCJ 09-04-22 05:15 PM
Re: The Rings of Power (S1E01&E02) -- "A Shadow of the Past" & "Adrift" -- 9/1/22
 
Originally Posted by TomOpus (Post 14158619)
I never read the books. Will "the worm" show up again?
The worm was probably my favorite part of the first 2 episodes. Really great special effects and an exciting sequence overall.

It off-set the stupid bullshit of Galadriel just freestyle swimming across an entire fucking ocean. :lol:

Fist of Doom Jr 09-04-22 07:32 PM
Re: The Rings of Power (S1E01&E02) -- "A Shadow of the Past" & "Adrift" -- 9/1/22
 
Originally Posted by GoldenJCJ (Post 14158805)
The worm was probably my favorite part of the first 2 episodes. Really great special effects and an exciting sequence overall.

It off-set the stupid bullshit of Galadriel just freestyle swimming across an entire fucking ocean. :lol:
Isn't it a "wyrm"?

Giantrobo 09-04-22 08:49 PM
Re: The Rings of Power (S1E01&E02) -- "A Shadow of the Past" & "Adrift" -- 9/1/22
 
Galadriel is a ffffuckin' magical Elf. She shoulda been able to walk across the water. A long swim aint nothing. :lol:

GoldenJCJ 09-04-22 08:52 PM
Re: The Rings of Power (S1E01&E02) -- "A Shadow of the Past" & "Adrift" -- 9/1/22
 
Originally Posted by Fist of Doom Jr (Post 14158859)
Isn't it a "wyrm"?
Probably. I googled “worm” and it came up though. :shrug:

Eric F 09-04-22 10:12 PM
Re: The Rings of Power (S1E01&E02) -- "A Shadow of the Past" & "Adrift" -- 9/1/22
 
I love how Elrond and Celebrimbor were just out for a casual stroll and showed up at the Dwarves mountain thousands of leagues away, without supplies or anything. :lol:

Why So Blu? 09-04-22 10:48 PM
Re: The Rings of Power (S1E01&E02) -- "A Shadow of the Past" & "Adrift" -- 9/1/22
 
Originally Posted by Eric F (Post 14158901)
I love how Elrond and Celebrimbor were just out for a casual stroll and showed up at the Dwarves mountain thousands of leagues away, without supplies or anything. :lol:
Eh, morons would just complain that it took too long for them to get to the mountain. Here, through the magic of editing, they're there in a flash. :sarcasm:

Gunde 09-05-22 02:52 AM
Re: The Rings of Power (S1E01&E02) -- "A Shadow of the Past" & "Adrift" -- 9/1/22
 
Originally Posted by GoldenJCJ (Post 14158805)
It off-set the stupid bullshit of Galadriel just freestyle swimming across an entire fucking ocean. :lol:
Eh, she's a magical, immortal elf - why the hell not?

Josh-da-man 09-05-22 03:53 AM
Re: The Rings of Power (S1E01&E02) -- "A Shadow of the Past" & "Adrift" -- 9/1/22
 
Originally Posted by Giantrobo (Post 14158879)
Galadriel is a ffffuckin' magical Elf. She shoulda been able to walk across the water. A long swim aint nothing. :lol:
The power levels and magical abilities of Tolkien characters are really sketchy.

Gandalf is supposed to be this badass wizard, but it seems like he spends most of his time whacking shit with a stick.

RocShemp 09-05-22 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Josh-da-man (Post 14158977)
The power levels and magical abilities of Tolkien characters are really sketchy.

Gandalf is supposed to be this badass wizard, but it seems like he spends most of his time whacking shit with a stick.
It all comes down to Tolkien's stance on "magic" versus "witchcraft".

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_in_Middle-earth#

Basically, Elves aren't all powerful magical beings as we might popularly associate them (thanks in no small part to how Jackson and Walsh embellished Galadriel in the movies) but their abilities were more of a practical sort.
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Jason 09-05-22 10:59 AM
Re: The Rings of Power (S1E01&E02) -- "A Shadow of the Past" & "Adrift" -- 9/1/22
 
Finished the first two this weekend. I thought the first episode was overloaded with character introductions, but better than taking an entire season to introduce everyone properly before the story can advance. Loved the second episode, as it really hit the ground running. Particularly loved the effects for Khazad-dûm. Dwarf stormtrooper helmets are pretty cool too. The kids ramming together wearing giant stone heads was a nice touch to lighten the mood.

As for the Stranger, from what i've seen online it's most likely

Spoiler:
Sauron himself. Apparently he takes on a more pleasing human form to deceive the Elves and Dwarves to help him forge the Rings. Mithrandir doesn't arrive in Middle Earth until after Isildur takes the Ring from Sauron

eXcentris 09-05-22 12:04 PM
Re: The Rings of Power (S1E01&E02) -- "A Shadow of the Past" & "Adrift" -- 9/1/22
 
Originally Posted by Giantrobo (Post 14158879)
Galadriel is a ffffuckin' magical Elf. She shoulda been able to walk across the water. A long swim aint nothing. :lol:
This stuff really doesn't bother me at all because it's fantasy. You can say, well the author set up limits as to the "powers" of elves and they should be followed, but those are rarely strictly defined. So she swims across an ocean?

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/dvdtalk...1f3558d5bf.gif

Why So Blu? 09-05-22 12:42 PM
Re: The Rings of Power (S1E01&E02) -- "A Shadow of the Past" & "Adrift" -- 9/1/22
 
Originally Posted by Giantrobo (Post 14158879)
Galadriel is a ffffuckin' magical Elf. She shoulda been able to walk across the water. A long swim aint nothing. :lol:
I know this is sarcasm but the only time Galadriel has actual "powers" is when she has her ring called Nenya. Up until then she's one of the best warrior elves out there. The incels just keep getting pissed off because instead of being on the the battle field she should be back home baking lembas bread.

Dr. DVD 09-05-22 04:22 PM
Re: The Rings of Power (S1E01&E02) -- "A Shadow of the Past" & "Adrift" -- 9/1/22
 
I agree with the overall sentiment that while this looks great (which given the price tag it allegedly carries , it should), the story is a bit boring and the acting a bit stilted. Also,
Spoiler:
I don't know if the old stranger is one of the Maia or not, but let's not forget this isn't exactly following the same timeline as it's just drawing bits and pieces from what source material exists. So if it turns out to actually be Gandalf or Saruman, it shouldn't be a surprise.

Eric F 09-05-22 04:52 PM
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Also it seems they’ve changed the origin of the Orcs. In the Simarillion Orcs are evil incarnations of Morgoth- captured Elves that are tortured and bred. This is one thing that kind of bothered me.

Josh-da-man 09-05-22 06:50 PM
Re: The Rings of Power (S1E01&E02) -- "A Shadow of the Past" & "Adrift" -- 9/1/22
 
Originally Posted by Jason (Post 14159065)
As for the Stranger, from what i've seen online it's most likely

Spoiler:
Sauron himself. Apparently he takes on a more pleasing human form to deceive the Elves and Dwarves to help him forge the Rings. Mithrandir doesn't arrive in Middle Earth until after Isildur takes the Ring from Sauron


As far as "The Stranger" goes, I think there are three possibilities.

Spoiler:

Sauron. - Sort of an obvious choice. But why we would he arrive in a meteor? As far as I know, Sauron stayed in Middle Earth after the War of Wrath ended and Melkor was cast into the Outer Void. It's not like he would have gone back to Valinor, or followed Melkor into oblivion.

One of the Blue Wizards. - While it's sort of canon that the Istari didn't arrive in Middle Earth until after Sauron was defeated by Isildur, there is some evidence that the two Blue Wizards came to Middle Earth earlier than that.

And this one is outside of the box and sort of a cheat, but...

Olorin. Which would make the Stranger a pre-Gandlaf Gandalf. Olorin is the Maia who will become Gandalf, and it could be that the Valar have sent Olorin to Middle Earth as a sort of observer, so he won't technically be Gandalf here, and return Valinor at some point before he returns to Middle Earth as Gandalf. His current interaction with the Harfoots is what will later give Gandalf an interest in and affinity for Hobbits. Could even be a way for Manwe to teach Olorin that the way to defeat Sauron would be through these halflings. Goes back to Gandalf's speech in The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey about the deeds of ordinary folks being what keeps evil at bay.

Another thing in favor of him being Olorin is this might be the only reason the Harfoots are included in the story. It's too early in the ME timeline for Hobbits to make their presence known, and their only interactions in this whole series might be with this "Stranger."

Why So Blu? 09-06-22 12:08 AM
Re: The Rings of Power (S1E01&E02) -- "A Shadow of the Past" & "Adrift" -- 9/1/22
 
Yeah, Olorin is the best bet.

Sauron has to be this pretty boy looking "The Witcher" dude but slightly dainty and almost like an albino elf-type. I just watched House of the Dragon and Sauron in this age would almost take the form of Daemon but much better looking from the countless artwork out there of him during this time.

Rob V 09-06-22 10:14 AM
Re: The Rings of Power (S1E01&E02) -- "A Shadow of the Past" & "Adrift" -- 9/1/22
 
I liked it... sure, it was a tad slow and they introduced a LOT of characters but I expect that in these epic adventures these days. Visually, as you all already noted, it was amazing. Theater quality.

Eric F 09-06-22 12:10 PM
Re: The Rings of Power (S1E01&E02) -- "A Shadow of the Past" & "Adrift" -- 9/1/22
 
I'm thinking Sauron might be the guy on the raft with Galadriel.

Why So Blu? 09-06-22 07:43 PM
Re: The Rings of Power (S1E01&E02) -- "A Shadow of the Past" & "Adrift" -- 9/1/22
 
Originally Posted by Eric F (Post 14159558)
I'm thinking Sauron might be the guy on the raft with Galadriel.

They're saying that dude may become Witch King of Angmar.

Eric F 09-06-22 08:39 PM
Re: The Rings of Power (S1E01&E02) -- "A Shadow of the Past" & "Adrift" -- 9/1/22
 
Originally Posted by Why So Blu? (Post 14159756)
They're saying that dude may become Witch King of Angmar.
Then he’d have to be a human king first wouldn’t he?

Why So Blu? 09-07-22 11:20 AM
Re: The Rings of Power (S1E01&E02) -- "A Shadow of the Past" & "Adrift" -- 9/1/22
 
Originally Posted by Eric F (Post 14159785)
Then he’d have to be a human king first wouldn’t he?
Yeah. I assume he will become a king at some point or usurp a currently ruling king, possibly with Galadriel's help. It's all assumptions at this point.

DJariya 09-08-22 02:00 AM
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I saw episode 2 several days ago, but didn't comment. I liked it better than the 1st episode. I especially enjoyed seeing the complicated relationship between Elrond and Durin.

Is this the same Elrond that was played by Hugo Weaving in the movies? Excuse me lack of knowledge of the lore, but how old can Elves live to be?

Noonan 09-08-22 07:09 AM
Re: The Rings of Power (S1E01&E02) -- "A Shadow of the Past" & "Adrift" -- 9/1/22
 
Originally Posted by DJariya (Post 14160324)
I saw episode 2 several days ago, but didn't comment. I liked it better than the 1st episode. I especially enjoyed seeing the complicated relationship between Elrond and Durin.

Is this the same Elrond that was played by Hugo Weaving in the movies? Excuse me lack of knowledge of the lore, but how old can Elves live to be?
Elves are immortal provided they don't receiving any life ending wounds (which sounds strange as I type it but that's how it is in lore). Same Elrond.

csant 09-08-22 08:07 AM
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I will wait on final judgement till the season is over, unless it totally gets terrible. First 2 episodes are ok, nothing terrible or great.

Why So Blu? 09-08-22 08:27 PM
Re: The Rings of Power (S1E01&E02) -- "A Shadow of the Past" & "Adrift" -- 9/1/22
 
Episode is not up yet, so I am assuming the early Thursday release(s) was just for the premiere. :confused:


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