Star Trek: Picard (S2 E04) "Watcher" - 3/24/22
 

Interesting new episode.

I didn't understand why Guinan didn't recognize Picard since she met him before in the "Time's Arrow" episodes. So, it looks like Q has lost his abilities. I wonder who the blonde reading the book is supposed to be. I had to laugh at the homage to the scene with the punk on the bus from Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home. They even got the same actor to play him again!! The cliffhanger with Laris might be interesting. I hope it's just a trick by the Watcher though and not really her. It would be more interesting for Picard to be able to explore a romance with her later in this season or next season, but I feel if there is something more supernatural about her, then that storyline would be ruined. We now have an explanation as to why Picard has more of a British accent than a French one.

Re: Star Trek: Picard (S2 E04) "Watcher" - 3/24/22
 

I would reckon that "Time's Arrow" never happened in this timeline.

Whatever thing that happened in 2024 in the "dark future" timeline prevented the events of "Time's Arrow" from occurring, which is why Guinan never met Picard in the 19th century here.

Re: Star Trek: Picard (S2 E04) "Watcher" - 3/24/22
 

I questioned why the events of "Time's Arrow" didn't happen as well. Guinan clearly recognized the name when she heard it but didn't recognize him so I guess those events went poof. I didn't care for the homage to The Voyage Home. Kudos for getting the original actor to come back. I didn't like that scene in the film because even in the 20th century, drivers throw folks off the bus for that nonsense but fine. Q seems to be having some technical difficulties.

Re: Star Trek: Picard (S2 E04) "Watcher" - 3/24/22
 

Time's Arrow didn't happen in this timeline. We know that Guinan has an awareness of when the natural timeline has been changed from Yesterday's Enterprise.

So many great little references in this episode. We now know it's a few months before the Bell Riots. There's a reference to the rich guy who helped Dax in the newspaper near the end. The last scene takes place in Jackson Roykirk Plaza. The punk on the bus from Star Trek IV. And the transporter effect seen at the end...looks a lot like Gary Seven, especially with the reference to Supervisors.

Re: Star Trek: Picard (S2 E04) "Watcher" - 3/24/22
 

And he was playing the same song!

Re: Star Trek: Picard (S2 E04) "Watcher" - 3/24/22
 

They stated in this episode that the divergence occurred April 15, 2024. Time's Arrow took over a century before that time, so everything before this date, or at least the date the Picard and crew arrived in 2024 should be unaffected.

Re: Star Trek: Picard (S2 E04) "Watcher" - 3/24/22
 

I just thought it was funny that it was the same guy and how he got nervous this time when someone objected to him playing the music. It was a little too coincidental and odd that he would still be doing this on the bus for another 38 years before another passenger on the bus would object.

This same actor played a similar cameo in one of the Spider-Man movies as well.

Re: Star Trek: Picard (S2 E04) "Watcher" - 3/24/22
 

Not quite. "Time's Arrow" involved the prime timeline's TNG crew traveling back to the 19th century and meeting Guinan and Mark Twain. The events of the "Time's Arrow" episode, both in the future and the past, possibly never happened or happened in a way that meant Picard and Guinan never met in the divergent timeline, so that aspect of pre-2024 history would have been changed.

Re: Star Trek: Picard (S2 E04) "Watcher" - 3/24/22
 

The most unbelievable thing is that there is no way there would be an unopened bottle of wine in an abandoned building like that for so long without someone finding it. People make a point of going to abandoned locations.

Re: Star Trek: Picard (S2 E04) "Watcher" - 3/24/22
 

Id watch a Raffii & Seven show or a Jurati and the Queen show. :lol::up:

Re: Star Trek: Picard (S2 E04) "Watcher" - 3/24/22
 

This show must be doing time travel right if we are nitpicking full wine bottles and whether a guy would still be listening to music on a bus. ;)

Re: Star Trek: Picard (S2 E04) "Watcher" - 3/24/22
 

https://www.inverse.com/entertainmen...-luc-star-trek

In this timeline the Federation doesn’t exist so Picard never went back to meet Guinan in Time’s Arrow. Yes, it’s another paradox, but I try not to think too hard about this stuff in time travel episodes.

Re: Star Trek: Picard (S2 E04) "Watcher" - 3/24/22
 

If Picard and crew never went back in Time's Arrow, wouldn't the aliens have continued to kill or drain the life force from all the citizens in San Francisco. It's been a while since I watched those episodes, but wasn't space/time in jeopardy if they didn't go back and stop the aliens?

The Enterprise and Voyager saved Q in at least one episode, so Q shouldn't exist either then.

Re: Star Trek: Picard (S2 E04) "Watcher" - 3/24/22
 

But Star Trek 4 did happen (to the bus punk)?

Re: Star Trek: Picard (S2 E04) "Watcher" - 3/24/22
 

Maybe he just really liked that song in both timelines? :lol:

Re: Star Trek: Picard (S2 E04) "Watcher" - 3/24/22
 

The butterfly effect there is always an issue when you do these kinds of time travel stories. You can go back and look at every ENT, TOS, TNG, VOY, and DS9 story and see where they stopped some kind of external Earth or Galaxy-destroying threat that the protagonists were able to stop, and then wonder how if X happened, everyone is still alive. The Doomsday Machine. V'Ger. The whale probe. The Borg. You just have to sort of assume that those events resolved themselves differently with at least a similar outcome. (Like how Picard had Gul Dukat's skull in his trophy room.)

Re: Star Trek: Picard (S2 E04) "Watcher" - 3/24/22
 

As contrite as he was, Kirk and Spock from the divergent timeline must have taken him and out and kicked to ass pretty hard to have left that impression upon him thirty-five years later. :)

Re: Star Trek: Picard (S2 E04) "Watcher" - 3/24/22
 

New Trek and it's Pussificaton of CisHet White Males. :(

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Re: Star Trek: Picard (S2 E04) "Watcher" - 3/24/22
 

Oooh, did Spock use the Vulcan Death Grip?

Re: Star Trek: Picard (S2 E04) "Watcher" - 3/24/22
 

The police station that Raffi and Seven went to is the same one they use on The Rookie. :lol:

Re: Star Trek: Picard (S2 E04) "Watcher" - 3/24/22
 

Kind of a meh episode. The ST:IV homage was a bit cringe. The one reference I did get a kick out of was Gurarti calling Picard "Dixon Hill". There is only one Guinan and that's Whoopi Goldberg. It's just not the same without her in the role.

A connection to Gary Seven would be pretty cool if that's the case like the above commenter mentioned.

Re: Star Trek: Picard (S2 E04) "Watcher" - 3/24/22
 

I don't get how people can't just go along for the ride. Yeah it's a new Guinan. Yeah, they brought back the ST:IV character on the bus. It's fun!

Re: Star Trek: Picard (S2 E04) "Watcher" - 3/24/22
 

It is fun... to complain about! It's so bad, it's a fun hate-watch.

Re: Star Trek: Picard (S2 E04) "Watcher" - 3/24/22
 

Just hit me now that setting it in 2024 sure does make the sets a lot cheaper.

(I'm doing fine with the show and enjoying it)

Re: Star Trek: Picard (S2 E04) "Watcher" - 3/24/22
 

I thought this season started off strong, but it's now suffering the same issue that a lot of these streaming series seem to have: It's like they came up with an idea for a good movie, and now are stretching it out over 10 episodes.

I did like the Brian Quinn cameo though. :)