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GoldenJCJ 12-07-20 04:16 PM

Re: The Mandalorian: Chapter 14: The Tragedy (S2E6) - 12/4/20
 

Originally Posted by GuessWho (Post 13854248)
I think Sebastian would be good, but I also see the comparisons are a bit different though. Both examples yuo state were playing Obi-Wan and Han at very different stages of their lives so you can say the character evolved from Ewan to Alec and from Alden to Harrison. It's a clean transition.

The Luke situation would have viewers go from Mark to Sebastian and back to Mark again. it's not the simple one-time baton handoff the other examples received.



And no, infant Luke in III doesn't count. ;)

I get what you’re saying and, personally, I’m torn about bring a Skywalker back into this series, but honestly, the Luke we saw at the end of RotJ and the one we saw at the beginning of The Last Jedi, are two completely different people. Stan could fit in well enough without doing a disservice to the character (that happened when Luke sucked green milk off the tit of a space cow).

Fist of Doom Jr 12-07-20 05:32 PM

Re: The Mandalorian: Chapter 14: The Tragedy (S2E6) - 12/4/20
 
Have we already seen Luke Skywalker?

In the moments right before Mando runs into Boba, there's a closeup of Mando with Grogu sitting on his stone in the background. There's clearly a figure standing beside Grogu. It's Luke!

(Check out the Youtube channel New Rockstars for their theory of why this is indeed Luke.)

dex14 12-07-20 05:37 PM

Re: The Mandalorian: Chapter 14: The Tragedy (S2E6) - 12/4/20
 

Originally Posted by Fist of Doom Jr (Post 13854309)
Have we already seen Luke Skywalker?

In the moments right before Mando runs into Boba, there's a closeup of Mando with Grogu sitting on his stone in the background. There's clearly a figure standing beside Grogu. It's Luke!

(Check out the Youtube channel New Rockstars for their theory of why this is indeed Luke.)

It's clearly a pillar on the opposite side of the circle.

Mike86 12-07-20 06:23 PM

Re: The Mandalorian: Chapter 14: The Tragedy (S2E6) - 12/4/20
 
I would trust this show to handle Luke properly. I can see being torn on bringing him back, but at the same time the character was a waste in the sequels, and there’s a lot you can do with post-ROTJ Jedi Knight Luke. I think the only way to do it outside of recasting is an animated series, which could also work.

Tom Banjo 12-07-20 06:33 PM

Re: The Mandalorian: Chapter 14: The Tragedy (S2E6) - 12/4/20
 
I think Grogu is most likely an integral part of their big picture moving forward. It’s time to move away the roughly 60 year period of Episodes I-IX, and someone like Grogu would be a perfect way to jump forward a couple of hundred years and still give us a character we already know while he’s in his prime.
I really think that and/or a recanonized version of KOTOR is the future of the franchise.

Mike86 12-07-20 06:39 PM

Re: The Mandalorian: Chapter 14: The Tragedy (S2E6) - 12/4/20
 

Originally Posted by Tom Banjo (Post 13854337)
I think Grogu is most likely an integral part of their big picture moving forward. It’s time to move away the roughly 60 year period of Episodes I-IX, and someone like Grogu would be a perfect way to jump forward a couple of hundred years and still give us a character we already know while he’s in his prime.
I really think that and/or a recanonized version of KOTOR is the future of the franchise.

That’s a good point. I wonder how Grogu/Yoda’s species age or what their equivalent age is compared to a human.

I mean he’s 50 now and essentially a toddler. Yoda was 900 when he died and clearly was old at that point.

Either way though you could have something set years after the Skywalker Saga and have Grogu maybe training a new generation of Jedi. That could be interesting.

Tom Banjo 12-07-20 07:07 PM

Re: The Mandalorian: Chapter 14: The Tragedy (S2E6) - 12/4/20
 

Originally Posted by Mike86 (Post 13854339)
That’s a good point. I wonder how Grogu/Yoda’s species age or what their equivalent age is compared to a human.

I mean he’s 50 now and essentially a toddler. Yoda was 900 when he died and clearly was old at that point.

Either way though you could have something set years after the Skywalker Saga and have Grogu maybe training a new generation of Jedi. That could be interesting.

Exactly. Ideally we’d have had a new Jedi Academy under Luke in the ST, but that ship has sailed, so their best best is a time jump unless they can get us a live-action Ezra building it with Ahsoka. But that’ll lead to questions of why Rey and Finn aren’t a part of it.

GoldenJCJ 12-07-20 08:41 PM

Re: The Mandalorian: Chapter 14: The Tragedy (S2E6) - 12/4/20
 

Originally Posted by Fist of Doom Jr (Post 13854309)
Have we already seen Luke Skywalker?

In the moments right before Mando runs into Boba, there's a closeup of Mando with Grogu sitting on his stone in the background. There's clearly a figure standing beside Grogu. It's Luke!

(Check out the Youtube channel New Rockstars for their theory of why this is indeed Luke.)

That guy has an interesting theory. I think he’s about 90% wrong with his ideas but I like his thought process.

If nothing else, assuming that guy knows what he’s talking about, it was cool to get a little background in filling in the gap between time periods in the movies. I’m a Star Wars fan but I’m not a nut for details like that. It was cool to get a brief overview of some of the SW material as it pertains to that time frame.

TGM 12-07-20 08:46 PM

Re: The Mandalorian: Chapter 14: The Tragedy (S2E6) - 12/4/20
 
If Stan will allow them to rotoscope young Mark Hamill's face on his I'd be for it.

tanman 12-08-20 05:22 AM

Re: The Mandalorian: Chapter 14: The Tragedy (S2E6) - 12/4/20
 

Originally Posted by VinVega (Post 13854042)
I'm ok if they wanted to recast Luke Skywalker for a cameo in this series. They already recast Obi Wan and Han Solo. It is a franchise for goodness sake. As long as it doesn't blow up the plots of the existing movies, I don't have an issue with it.

The only issue I would really have with it is that if they do it for the Mandolorian I wish they would have went ahead and recast everyone and do VII, VIII and IX as it was initially "intended" taking place a few years after RotJ, not a few decades.

spainlinx0 12-08-20 09:41 AM

Re: The Mandalorian: Chapter 14: The Tragedy (S2E6) - 12/4/20
 
I think Disney should just retcon the sequel trilogy into their "Legends" line, and start it over again. Take a mulligan.

Mike86 12-08-20 10:01 AM

Re: The Mandalorian: Chapter 14: The Tragedy (S2E6) - 12/4/20
 
Looking back on it, it’s almost too bad that they didn’t just do something animated to fill in the post ROTJ era with Luke, Leia, Han and company. We could have gotten a show similar to The Clone Wars and Rebels and it probably would have done more of a service to the Original Trilogy than the sequels did. It’s possible that you could have even involved some of the original actors.

You still could have done sequel films too, but just kept them entirely separate. The sequels we got were disappointing to many of us, especially due to the handling of the legacy characters. I wish they had just left them out honestly.

milo bloom 12-08-20 10:47 AM

Re: The Mandalorian: Chapter 14: The Tragedy (S2E6) - 12/4/20
 

Originally Posted by TGM (Post 13854397)
If Stan will allow them to rotoscope young Mark Hamill's face on his I'd be for it.

Then why bother with a big name actor? Just get some journeyman actor if you're going to paint him out.

The point of somebody like Stan is to give a new face that still works as the character. The guy they got for young Han Solo did a good job of inhabiting the character even though he wasn't the spitting image of Harrison Ford.

dex14 12-08-20 12:11 PM

Re: The Mandalorian: Chapter 14: The Tragedy (S2E6) - 12/4/20
 

Originally Posted by Mike86 (Post 13854549)
Looking back on it, it’s almost too bad that they didn’t just do something animated to fill in the post ROTJ era with Luke, Leia, Han and company. We could have gotten a show similar to The Clone Wars and Rebels and it probably would have done more of a service to the Original Trilogy than the sequels did. It’s possible that you could have even involved some of the original actors.

You still could have done sequel films too, but just kept them entirely separate. The sequels we got were disappointing to many of us, especially due to the handling of the legacy characters. I wish they had just left them out honestly.

They still can (and should) make this show. There’s 30 years in between. They could easily make a show that thematically is what people always wanted to see, and doesn’t have anything to do with what happens 30 years from then.

TGM 12-08-20 04:34 PM

Re: The Mandalorian: Chapter 14: The Tragedy (S2E6) - 12/4/20
 

Originally Posted by milo bloom (Post 13854570)
Then why bother with a big name actor? Just get some journeyman actor if you're going to paint him out.

The point of somebody like Stan is to give a new face that still works as the character. The guy they got for young Han Solo did a good job of inhabiting the character even though he wasn't the spitting image of Harrison Ford.

no. no he didn't.

Josh-da-man 12-08-20 08:17 PM

Re: The Mandalorian: Chapter 14: The Tragedy (S2E6) - 12/4/20
 

Originally Posted by spainlinx0 (Post 13854538)
I think Disney should just retcon the sequel trilogy into their "Legends" line, and start it over again. Take a mulligan.

Yeah, to matter how much we're loving The Mandalorian right now, it's still leading up to the shitshow of a Sequel Trilogy, where Han gets unceremoniously murdered by his own asshole kid, Luke's pouting on a remote planet drinking titty milk with his thumb up his ass, and Leia does jack shit as the New Republic crumbles all around her.

I agree that should absolutely memory hole the Sequel Trilogy and start over while Mark Hamill is still healthy and hale. Deep fake Leia and Han into it for some cameos if they have to, I don't give a shit how bad it looks. Just give us a real story that continues the saga and brings it to a satisfying conclusion, not just The Original Trilogy 2.0.

Mike86 12-08-20 09:13 PM

Re: The Mandalorian: Chapter 14: The Tragedy (S2E6) - 12/4/20
 
The gap between this show and the sequels is big enough that the two don’t need to tie together. It’s like what twenty-seven years between? This show obviously won’t go that long, and I doubt there will be a time jump that far into the future.

It works out because this show doesn’t have to acknowledge the sequels, but it also doesn’t have to retcon them either. As much as some of us would like that it won’t happen.

I still feel like an animated series similar to The Clone Wars and Rebels is the best way to satisfy old school fans. It would be smart and maybe you could rope Hamill into voicing Luke (although he obviously sounds older compared to what he would be post ROTJ). Doing it animated is a way to continue the Original Trilogy characters, but not have to deal with straight up recasting.

Filoni made me respect the prequels a lot more because of The Clone Wars, and I’m confident he could deliver something satisfying as a continuation of the Original Trilogy.

tanman 12-08-20 09:26 PM

Re: The Mandalorian: Chapter 14: The Tragedy (S2E6) - 12/4/20
 

Originally Posted by Mike86 (Post 13854875)
It would be smart and maybe you could rope Hamill into voicing Luke (although he obviously sounds older compared to what he would be post ROTJ). Doing it animated is a way to continue the Original Trilogy characters, but not have to deal with straight up recasting.

He could just use his Joker voice.

tanman 12-08-20 09:31 PM

Re: The Mandalorian: Chapter 14: The Tragedy (S2E6) - 12/4/20
 
One inconsistency is Boba Fett's look. I absolutely loved seeing him come back. And I think his dad bod is hilarious and fitting in the Star Wars universe (I guess). I'm surprised he's not an X-Wing pilot. But hasn't it only been a few years since RotJ? Why would he look so much older now? If the Sarlaac did that to him how'd he get so fat? :lol:

Mike86 12-08-20 10:14 PM

Re: The Mandalorian: Chapter 14: The Tragedy (S2E6) - 12/4/20
 

Originally Posted by tanman (Post 13854888)
One inconsistency is Boba Fett's look. I absolutely loved seeing him come back. And I think his dad bod is hilarious and fitting in the Star Wars universe (I guess). I'm surprised he's not an X-Wing pilot. But hasn't it only been a few years since RotJ? Why would he look so much older now? If the Sarlaac did that to him how'd he get so fat? :lol:

We never saw what he looked like without his helmet. No explanation for the weight gain though other than the actor is older.

windom 12-08-20 10:23 PM

Re: The Mandalorian: Chapter 14: The Tragedy (S2E6) - 12/4/20
 
Shouldn't Boba be roughly around the same age as Jango was in AoTC? He should look something like that. Maybe the Kaminoans screwed up and Boba did get some of the accelerated aging like the other clones had, but not as much.

tanman 12-09-20 12:00 AM

Re: The Mandalorian: Chapter 14: The Tragedy (S2E6) - 12/4/20
 

Originally Posted by Mike86 (Post 13854915)
We never saw what he looked like without his helmet. No explanation for the weight gain though other than the actor is older.

That's true, but he still looks way older than he should be.

Mike86 12-09-20 12:05 AM

Re: The Mandalorian: Chapter 14: The Tragedy (S2E6) - 12/4/20
 

Originally Posted by tanman (Post 13854946)
That's true, but he still looks way older than he should be.

Maybe they’ll write it off as accelerated aging due to the cloning process. It’s an easy excuse to use since we already know of it.

coli 12-09-20 06:50 AM

Re: The Mandalorian: Chapter 14: The Tragedy (S2E6) - 12/4/20
 

Originally Posted by The Antipodean (Post 13852686)
I think I just filled the cup.

The fact that somebody actually typed this makes me wonder about alot of people here.

Putting that aside, great episode and great season so far!

GoldenJCJ 12-09-20 10:38 AM

Re: The Mandalorian: Chapter 14: The Tragedy (S2E6) - 12/4/20
 

Originally Posted by tanman (Post 13854946)
That's true, but he still looks way older than he should be.

Sarlacc stomach acid takes its toll on your body, man!


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