The Plot Against America (HBO) - C: David Simon - S: Turturro, Ryder, Kazan - premieres 3/16/20
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The Plot Against America (HBO) - C: David Simon - S: Turturro, Ryder, Kazan - premieres 3/16/20
From creators David Simon and Ed Burns comes The Plot Against America, an alternate American history story of the country’s turn to fascism told through the eyes of a working-class Jewish family in New Jersey. Starring Zoe Kazan, Morgan Spector, Winona Ryder, and John Turturro, the limited series premieres on March 16th at 9PM.
The Plot Against America, a six-part miniseries based on the acclaimed novel by Philip Roth. Here’s everything you need to know.
What is it? The Plot Against America imagines an alternate American history told through the eyes of a working-class Jewish family in New Jersey. The story follows the family as they watch the political rise of Charles Lindbergh, an aviator-hero and xenophobic populist, who becomes president and turns the nation towards fascism.
Who’s in it? The ensemble cast will include: Winona Ryder as Evelyn Finkel. Evelyn is unmarried, her plans arrested by 10 years of caring for her infirm mother, and is hungry to find her own place in life. The sudden attentions of a key Lindbergh supporter — the politically ascendant clergyman, Rabbi Lionel Bengelsdorf — are exhilarating and transformational for her
Zoe Kazan as Elizabeth “Bess” Levin, younger sister to Evelyn. An insightful mother and homemaker, who fears for the future as she tries to protect her family from the escalating political climate and plan a possible escape for the forces that seem to be threatening her world.
Morgan Spector as Herman Levin, the proud and opinionated father, who works as an insurance agent and tries to maintain normalcy in the life of his family and friends even as his country seems to be slipping into fascism, anti-Semitism and xenophobic isolationism.
Anthony Boyle as Alvin Levin, the angry and intelligent orphaned nephew to Herman. He allows political differences with his family, personal grudges and resentments, and his own abhorrence of hypocrisy and cant to drive him from street crime to the battlefields of Europe and back.
Azhy Robertson as Philip Levin, the youngest of the Levin family. Philip copes with his own innocent curiosity and growing anxiety in a world that seems to be collapsing around him, both at home and in the streets.
Caleb Malis as Sandy Levin, the Levin’s artistic teenage son, who rebels against his family and his father in particular as his adolescence becomes entangled with his growing admiration for Lindbergh — a stance encouraged by his beloved Aunt Evelyn’s guidance.
John Turturro as Rabbi Lionel Bengelsdorf, a conservative rabbi and a transplant from Charleston, S.C. where he gained his first synagogue pulpit and became a widower with the death of his affluent wife. Bengelsdorf seizes the reins of history to become a key figure in the emergent Lindbergh administration — despite growing opposition within the Jewish community as a whole.
Who’s behind it? The new six-part miniseries hails from David Simon and Ed Burns — the team behind The Wire and miniseries Generation Kill. Simon and Burns will both serve as writers and executive producers on the series. Additional executive producers on the project include Joe Roth, Nina Noble, Megan Ellison, Sue Naegle, Susan Goldberg and Jeff Kirschenbaum; co-executive producers are Dennis Stratton and Philip Roth.
The Plot Against America, a six-part miniseries based on the acclaimed novel by Philip Roth. Here’s everything you need to know.
What is it? The Plot Against America imagines an alternate American history told through the eyes of a working-class Jewish family in New Jersey. The story follows the family as they watch the political rise of Charles Lindbergh, an aviator-hero and xenophobic populist, who becomes president and turns the nation towards fascism.
Who’s in it? The ensemble cast will include: Winona Ryder as Evelyn Finkel. Evelyn is unmarried, her plans arrested by 10 years of caring for her infirm mother, and is hungry to find her own place in life. The sudden attentions of a key Lindbergh supporter — the politically ascendant clergyman, Rabbi Lionel Bengelsdorf — are exhilarating and transformational for her
Zoe Kazan as Elizabeth “Bess” Levin, younger sister to Evelyn. An insightful mother and homemaker, who fears for the future as she tries to protect her family from the escalating political climate and plan a possible escape for the forces that seem to be threatening her world.
Morgan Spector as Herman Levin, the proud and opinionated father, who works as an insurance agent and tries to maintain normalcy in the life of his family and friends even as his country seems to be slipping into fascism, anti-Semitism and xenophobic isolationism.
Anthony Boyle as Alvin Levin, the angry and intelligent orphaned nephew to Herman. He allows political differences with his family, personal grudges and resentments, and his own abhorrence of hypocrisy and cant to drive him from street crime to the battlefields of Europe and back.
Azhy Robertson as Philip Levin, the youngest of the Levin family. Philip copes with his own innocent curiosity and growing anxiety in a world that seems to be collapsing around him, both at home and in the streets.
Caleb Malis as Sandy Levin, the Levin’s artistic teenage son, who rebels against his family and his father in particular as his adolescence becomes entangled with his growing admiration for Lindbergh — a stance encouraged by his beloved Aunt Evelyn’s guidance.
John Turturro as Rabbi Lionel Bengelsdorf, a conservative rabbi and a transplant from Charleston, S.C. where he gained his first synagogue pulpit and became a widower with the death of his affluent wife. Bengelsdorf seizes the reins of history to become a key figure in the emergent Lindbergh administration — despite growing opposition within the Jewish community as a whole.
Who’s behind it? The new six-part miniseries hails from David Simon and Ed Burns — the team behind The Wire and miniseries Generation Kill. Simon and Burns will both serve as writers and executive producers on the series. Additional executive producers on the project include Joe Roth, Nina Noble, Megan Ellison, Sue Naegle, Susan Goldberg and Jeff Kirschenbaum; co-executive producers are Dennis Stratton and Philip Roth.
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Reminds me a bit of Years and Years for the BBC. Could be interesting
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Glad to see Simon working with Ed Burns again.
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From creators David Simon and Ed Burns comes The Plot Against America, an alternate American history story of the country’s turn to fascism told through the eyes of a working-class Jewish family in New Jersey. Starring Zoe Kazan, Morgan Spector, Winona Ryder, and John Turturro, the limited series premieres on March 16th at 9PM.
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Great start.
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Watched about half of the first episode and lost interest. Seemed kind of boring. Might "binge" it when it's over.
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On my DVR. Will be watching this week, cuz, what the hey, I got time.
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I’m a big fan of the novel and Roth’s work in general but the first episode of this was pretty snoozy. Everyone seemed to be sleepwalking through it. John Turturro is the only one who really sparked.
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I always meant to read the novel, but never got around to it.
It strikes me as something that might work better as a book than a film/tv series.
It strikes me as something that might work better as a book than a film/tv series.
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I liked it and can't wait to see how this unravels
I always thought of Lindbergh as this national hero but I was wrong.
I always thought of Lindbergh as this national hero but I was wrong.
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It's been years since I read the book, but it strikes me that the novel is better at capturing young Philip's POV so the stuff about stamps and following strangers fits better. Here, in this condensed format where the politics is so much more important, the scenes with Philip just seem like unnecessary tangents.
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It's been years since I read the book, but it strikes me that the novel is better at capturing young Philip's POV so the stuff about stamps and following strangers fits better. Here, in this condensed format where the politics is so much more important, the scenes with Philip just seem like unnecessary tangents.
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Exactly. I really enjoyed the book and thought at the time that it would translate well to television but so far the series just hasn't caught my interest like I expected. It's the story of a young boy watching his family, community, and country turn on themselves over issues he barely understands and when it all burns itself out at the end he still doesn't understand what happened but is somehow expected to carry on with his life. It's almost like the show is being too literal with the story and everything is being laid out clearly for the viewer in a way that never happens in the book.
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I like the set pieces and time period quite a bit and do recall enjoying the book, but yeah the young Phillip is kind of a distraction, the rest of the show is working for me though...
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What was up with the kid wanting the other kid to touch his mom's dresses?
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Anybody find the dad kind of annoying?
We get it he hates Lindbergh but he brings up politics all the time no matter where he goes.
We get it he hates Lindbergh but he brings up politics all the time no matter where he goes.
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Kind of like how some people do that all the time these days...
I thought last night’s episode was really good.
I thought last night’s episode was really good.
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Also thought this week's ep was really good, and think the set work is great, I am immersed in the experience, I really don't need my stress levels any higher but this show is doing it, nice work by Simon and Ed Burns
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But the eviction from the hotel puts it in a different perspective. Whether he voiced his opinions or not, the family was going to be targeted for being Jewish. And in that context staying quiet seems like the wrong thing to do.
There's the saying "America: Love it of Leave it!" But truly loving America would demand that people stand up and speak out when injustice is occurring, or when America's leaders are taking it down the wrong path.
The episode mentions the Fight or Flight response, and it would make sense to protect your family by (simply) moving to Canada, but every Jew in the US can't escape north. And if the Lindbergh presidency does portend the Nazi-ism of America, then the Jews are just the beginning. If everybody decides the best thing to do is to keep quiet and get along, then aren't they just inviting an American Holocaust later in the decade?
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True he is the lone voice in the wilderness.
I like Wynona Ryder but she is kind of the weak link on the show with her acting.
I like Wynona Ryder but she is kind of the weak link on the show with her acting.
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Sad it is over and wanted more.
It looked like it might be kind of a happy ending at first.
Morgan Spector will be on my radar after what he did on this show.
It looked like it might be kind of a happy ending at first.
Morgan Spector will be on my radar after what he did on this show.
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I liked it too. Never read the book, but from what I saw in another review,
Glad they didn't go with it. Honestly, it's a cop-out and makes me no longer want to read the book. It's also good timing that this aired during the COVID-19 pandemic, as there's even more parallels with current events in the US. It's eerie the way Trump (sorry to take this political) has emboldened the lockdown protests almost the same way Lindbergh emboldened the anti-semitic acts in The Plot.
I hope real life has a happier ending than this miniseries.
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Glad they didn't go with it. Honestly, it's a cop-out and makes me no longer want to read the book. It's also good timing that this aired during the COVID-19 pandemic, as there's even more parallels with current events in the US. It's eerie the way Trump (sorry to take this political) has emboldened the lockdown protests almost the same way Lindbergh emboldened the anti-semitic acts in The Plot.
I hope real life has a happier ending than this miniseries.
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This was great, I had read the book but actually forgot how it all ended... Really enjoyed the set design in this and the story is chilling.. good stuff from Simon and Burns...
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I wish more people gave it a chance
Probably not enough murders to keep people tuned in
Probably not enough murders to keep people tuned in