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Old 04-30-19, 06:50 AM
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Re: Game of Thrones (S8E03) -- 82 minute episode -- “The Long Night” -- 4/28/19

Originally Posted by jfoobar View Post
I don't think there is any question that Theon is a major character.
I wasn't arguing against Theon being a major character, just for Arya. I agree completely about Theon.

Now Sansa is definitely second tier.

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Originally Posted by badlieut View Post
All I could think of during the battle was Howard Stern is going to be bitching about how dark the episode was and he couldn't see anything.
He sure is bitching hard right now.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S8E03) -- 82 minute episode -- “The Long Night” -- 4/28/19

Originally Posted by Gunde View Post
...but certainly one or more among Tormund, Sam, Gilly, Grey Worm, Missandei, Clegane, Gendry, Brienne and Davos.
This is a rather arbitrary list considering that both Theon and Jorah are at least as major of a character as any of the people you name here.

Personally, I was convinced that either Brienne or Tormund was going to buy it in E3 until I noticed that there was no romantic subplot between them in E2. There will be something between them (although not necessarily anything heavy) before one of them dies. Jorah was an easy one. It was so obvious that he was going to die at some point defending Dany. It was only a matter of when.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S8E03) -- 82 minute episode -- “The Long Night” -- 4/28/19

Per TMZ:

"Game of Thrones" Battle of Winterfell left fans cheering and complaining -- the latter due to it being too damn dark -- but the cinematographer wants to make it clear ... the gripes aren't his fault.

Fabian Wagner -- who was also the cinematographer on lauded 'Thrones' episodes like "Hardhome" and "Battle of the Bastards" -- tells TMZ, he's aware folks are upset that "The Long Night" looked TOO nightly, and he has an explanation.

First, Fabian believes the pixelation and muddy dark colors fans saw on their TVs and mobile devices are due to HBO's compression of the episode ... which leads to poorer visual quality. This is made worse if it's being viewed on a streaming service with a weak connection ... or in a room that's too bright.

As Wagner puts it ... "[GoT] has always been very dark and a very cinematic show" and should be watched in a dark environment. Ideally, this means viewing it like you would a movie -- in a dark theater.

Since that's not realistic for 'Thrones,' Fabian suggests making your viewing room at home as dark as possible, avoid watching on your phone or in places that are lit up ... and adjust your TV settings.

The cinematographer also points out ... the showrunners and director wanted the episode to be dark. Wagner says the battle scenes were intended to be intense, claustrophobic and disorienting -- like they would be in real life -- but not confusing.

Fabian says, "We tried to give the viewers and fans a cool episode to watch," and he believes they did, adding ... "I know it wasn't too dark because I shot it."
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Re: Game of Thrones (S8E03) -- 82 minute episode -- “The Long Night” -- 4/28/19

Found this video yesterday. This guy is over the top and appears to be reading his gripes from viewer comments rather than being his own but it kinda sums up how I feel about the episode.

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Re: Game of Thrones (S8E03) -- 82 minute episode -- “The Long Night” -- 4/28/19

Originally Posted by leeta View Post
I wasn't arguing against Theon being a major character, just for Arya. I agree completely about Theon.

Now Sansa is definitely second tier.
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If Sansa is second tier, so is Arya. I just found a more updated count of screentime by character as of the end of S7 and Sansa has a pretty sizable gap on Arya. Between S6 and S7, Theon dropped from 8th to 10th, as it happens. Jorah moved up to 8th (Davos is 9th). To this episode killed of #8 and #10, but both characters who have been around continuously since S1. Theon was in the very first episode and Jorah showed up in whatever S1 episode the Dothraki wedding was in.

Going back to Theon (and I know we are more or less in agreement about him), Theon is an incredibly important character in the books, most especially in A Clash of Kings, where 6 of the 69 chapters are specifically about him. Like in the show, however, his role as a central character has been much, much less since then. I think this makes him seem like less of a major character now than he has actually been since his character sort of peaked when he helped Sansa escape.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S8E03) -- 82 minute episode -- “The Long Night” -- 4/28/19

I just thought of something that could have been cool, is if the Children of the Forest had popped up at the last minute and helped turn the tides. That might have been a little too derivative of LOTR though.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S8E03) -- 82 minute episode -- “The Long Night” -- 4/28/19

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Per TMZ:
Argh! Who the hell would watch this on their phone, and then have the nerve to bitch about the quality?

Originally Posted by Noonan View Post
Found this video yesterday. This guy is over the top and appears to be reading his gripes from viewer comments rather than being his own but it kinda sums up how I feel about the episode.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5VnIGxAPts&t=0s
That preview shot couldn't make me want to watch that video any less.
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Originally Posted by andicus View Post
That preview shot couldn't make me want to watch that video any less.
Like I said, he is a over the top but a lot of the points made mirror my feelings.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S8E03) -- 82 minute episode -- “The Long Night” -- 4/28/19

Originally Posted by Gunde View Post
Because the deadliest battle and most important conflict fought and hyped for 7 seasons should have consequences. Not necessarily Jon or Dany, or even Tyrion, Sansa or Jamie, but certainly one or more among Tormund, Sam, Gilly, Grey Worm, Missandei, Clegane, Gendry, Brienne and Davos.
Then it’s your fault for thinking this was the most important conflict. This show has always been a people fighting over the iron throne. It was always going to be about that. Hence the name.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S8E03) -- 82 minute episode -- “The Long Night” -- 4/28/19

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That preview shot couldn't make me want to watch that video any less.
I thought the same thing! Nothing about that makes me say "I am really curious to hear this guy's opinion"...
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Then it’s your fault for thinking this was the most important conflict. This show has always been a people fighting over the iron throne. It was always going to be about that. Hence the name.
Game of Thrones is only the name of the first book. The SERIES is called A Song of Ice and Fire. Pretty blatant that GRRM planned the battle against the NK to be the main story, not a human fight for King's Landing.

When reading the books, you can tell GRRM was writing all the humans as dispensable. The idea was that we and our differences are all irrelevant when it comes to a threat like the NK. Similar to the whole "if aliens ever came, humans would band together as a race". HBO threw that all out the window for the sake of fan service.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S8E03) -- 82 minute episode -- “The Long Night” -- 4/28/19

Originally Posted by Draven View Post
She needed him to turn. She stabbed him right where the Children stabbed him,
Not even close she did. Go back and watch the creation of the Night King scene again. They stabbed him in the upper chest. Arya stabbed him in the abdomen where his armor separated.
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Originally Posted by Noonan View Post
Game of Thrones is only the name of the first book. The SERIES is called A Song of Ice and Fire. Pretty blatant that GRRM planned the battle against the NK to be the main story, not a human fight for King's Landing.

When reading the books, you can tell GRRM was writing all the humans as dispensable. The idea was that we and our differences are all irrelevant when it comes to a threat like the NK. Similar to the whole "if aliens ever came, humans would band together as a race". HBO threw that all out the window for the sake of fan service.
Do you just watch this show to have something to complain about after each episode airs?

(and yes, I will admit I should stop watching Orville just to get that out of the way.)
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Do you just watch this show to have something to complain about after each episode airs?

(and yes, I will admit I should stop watching Orville just to get that out of the way.)
LOL, no. Overall, I absolutely love the show. This is the first episode I've had a real gripe with. Last week was slow but it had good dialogue. This episode threw the concept of the whole series out the window because of fan's love of a character. I do have a real problem with that.

My love of the story is why this episode was so bad (for me).

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Re: Game of Thrones (S8E03) -- 82 minute episode -- “The Long Night” -- 4/28/19

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Not even close she did. Go back and watch the creation of the Night King scene again. They stabbed him in the upper chest. Arya stabbed him in the abdomen where his armor separated.
They specifically say in the behind the scenes video she stabs him in the same spot. I don't disagree that it didn't look the same... but this is what they said.
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Originally Posted by Shannon Nutt View Post
I have a theory about the cinematography of the episode (although I'm sure, if true, no one at HBO will ever admit it).

It was obvious that they wanted the look of the episode to be very active/confusing...the whole "fog of war" thing. However, I DON'T think they intended it to be as dark as it was. I think they weren't happy with how a lot of the F/X came out and decided to "hide" a lot of the poorer/more glaring problems through darkness and more digital obscuration (adding digital layers of snow, fire, or whatever was needed).
People who know how to shoot are chiming in...


And as I said earlier, it just wasn't well staged lit - conveying that the characters feel darkness amid chaos doesn't mean you have to make the viewer feel darkness/chaos as well.
Same as conveying boredom - good filmmakers will be able to show characters are bored without boring the audience.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S8E03) -- 82 minute episode -- “The Long Night” -- 4/28/19

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Not even close she did. Go back and watch the creation of the Night King scene again. They stabbed him in the upper chest. Arya stabbed him in the abdomen where his armor separated.
That comment had me confused as well.
I think Draven meant that Arya stabbed him at the same location as when he was created not the same spot on his body.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S8E03) -- 82 minute episode -- “The Long Night” -- 4/28/19

Too much nitpicking.

The fictional girl pulled a Winter Soldier move and stabbed the ice zombie with a knife made of an imaginary metal, causing him to shatter and all his zombie cohorts to fall down dead. Meanwhile, dragons.

Any extended evaluation of these story points is silly. Kick back, turn off your brain, and enjoy.
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That comment had me confused as well.
I think Draven meant that Arya stabbed him at the same location as when he was created not the same spot on his body.
OOoOoOoOo at the tree. Good call.
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Originally Posted by The Infidel View Post
Any extended evaluation of these story points is silly. Kick back, turn off your brain, and enjoy.
In all fairness, one of the reasons why GoT is so hugely popular is because viewers have not needed to turn off their brains for most of the series.
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Originally Posted by whotony View Post


That comment had me confused as well.
I think Draven meant that Arya stabbed him at the same location as when he was created not the same spot on his body.
No, I actually did mean she stabbed him in the chest like his creation scene. I had rewatched that scene recently (I couldn't remember exactly what happened) and that's what I thought they were going for. Sounds like the creators thought the same thing. I haven't rewatched Sunday's episode to confirm but that's what I got from it.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S8E03) -- 82 minute episode -- “The Long Night” -- 4/28/19

I enjoyed the battle. I kinda felt more characters were going to die than actually did. I still think they will off more characters in the next 3 episodes. Maybe you relax a bit with them surviving the battle with the dead and then they get offed in the Cersi battle.

Spoiler:
So with Lady Mormont and Jorah Mormont dying, I guess that's it for house Mormont?
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People who know how to shoot are chiming in...

https://twitter.com/JosephKahn/statu...93114326228992

And as I said earlier, it just wasn't well staged lit - conveying that the characters feel darkness amid chaos doesn't mean you have to make the viewer feel darkness/chaos as well.
Same as conveying boredom - good filmmakers will be able to show characters are bored without boring the audience.
I don't know this guy, but if he thinks compression wasn't a problem, he doesn't know what he's talking about.

It may not have been the only problem (although it was, for me), but it was definitely A problem.
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Originally Posted by whotony View Post
I think Draven meant that Arya stabbed him at the same location as when he was created not the same spot on his body.
So the weirwood heart tree against which the Night King was created is supposed to be the same one that is at the Winterfell godswood now? I certainly didn't take that away from the flashback to when the NK was created.

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