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Old 05-21-18 | 09:16 AM
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Am I the only one that’s utterly confused? So is Fitz not dead? I thought frozen Fitz was the Fitz that joined them in the future so he’s the one that died. Why would there be another Fitz somewhere. The ending felt nice and emotional but more because of the actors not the writing. That twist where they revealed that Coulson was the name on the plaque was confusing as well. So he is still dying? And he’s living his last days with May in Tahiti?

I really just want Coulson to wrap up the movie part of the MCU. I really like his character but it’s terrible that all the avengers still think he’s dead. Maybe with him featuring prominently in Captain Marvel we’ll finally get a wrap up on his relationship with the Avengers. And if you think about it it doesn’t make any sense that they would think he’s still dead, wouldn’t they know he’s been the director of shield?
Old 05-21-18 | 10:06 AM
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Re: Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (S5E22) -- Season Finale -- "The End" -- 5/18/18

Originally Posted by tanman
Am I the only one that’s utterly confused? So is Fitz not dead? I thought frozen Fitz was the Fitz that joined them in the future so he’s the one that died. Why would there be another Fitz somewhere. The ending felt nice and emotional but more because of the actors not the writing. That twist where they revealed that Coulson was the name on the plaque was confusing as well. So he is still dying? And he’s living his last days with May in Tahiti?

I really just want Coulson to wrap up the movie part of the MCU. I really like his character but it’s terrible that all the avengers still think he’s dead. Maybe with him featuring prominently in Captain Marvel we’ll finally get a wrap up on his relationship with the Avengers. And if you think about it it doesn’t make any sense that they would think he’s still dead, wouldn’t they know he’s been the director of shield?
Regarding Fitz- reread my previous post: He's still alive because the timeline didn't diverge until after he froze himself.
Old 05-21-18 | 11:36 AM
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Re: Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (S5E22) -- Season Finale -- "The End" -- 5/18/18

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Not the future. He froze himself right after they were sent forward in time, so he's currently in the alien's ship. They returned to a point in time after Fitz was already frozen.
So they find Fitz and unfreeze him (and then Simmons has Deke)?, ok, but then does he need to be re-frozen at some point to maintain the future so they can come back and unfreeze him? Yikes ....
Old 05-21-18 | 11:41 AM
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So they find Fitz and unfreeze him (and then Simmons has Deke)?, ok, but then does he need to be re-frozen at some point to maintain the future so they can come back and unfreeze him? Yikes ....
The timeline changed, so the future they saw never occurs.
Old 05-21-18 | 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by SmithsGuy
So they find Fitz and unfreeze him (and then Simmons has Deke)?, ok, but then does he need to be re-frozen at some point to maintain the future so they can come back and unfreeze him? Yikes ....
Remember Robin saying, "Something's different"? That's when the timeline changed.
Old 05-21-18 | 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by SmithsGuy
So they find Fitz and unfreeze him (and then Simmons has Deke)?, ok, but then does he need to be re-frozen at some point to maintain the future so they can come back and unfreeze him? Yikes ....
Also, Deke is her grandson.
Old 05-21-18 | 01:29 PM
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Finally watched this today.

Definitely could have served as a series finale. The 6th season will probably be a reset. But, that heavily depends on what happens to Coulson. But, I think you have to bring back Clark Gregg in some form. He's the anchor of this series.

Daisy and Talbot's fight scene was pretty cool. I also liked that there were a lot of good emotional scenes between the characters. Daisy and Coulson have a very father-daughter type bond.

Well, we'll see what happens in Summer 2019. It's going to be a long wait.
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Daisy and Talbot's fight scene was pretty cool.
They don't bother to explain how she's suddenly so tough she suffers no significant injury after being slammed into the ground like that. If she can survive that ordinary terminal-velocity falls are no big deal.
Old 05-21-18 | 03:13 PM
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They don't bother to explain how she's suddenly so tough she suffers no significant injury after being slammed into the ground like that. If she can survive that ordinary terminal-velocity falls are no big deal.
Uhh, because she's an Inhuman?
Old 05-21-18 | 03:22 PM
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Uhh, because she's an Inhuman?
I don't recall them previously establishing that as either a general property of Inhumans or a specific ability of Daisy. Indeed, since Daisy has previously suffered injury from far less severe blunt-force trauma I would argue that they've established quite the opposite.
Old 05-21-18 | 04:22 PM
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Remember Robin saying, "Something's different"? That's when the timeline changed.
What was it that happened right as she said that? Can't remember. More than one thing changed but what was that one thing that broke the loop.
Old 05-21-18 | 04:33 PM
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After the first mention of something happening in New York, I found it very difficult to pay attention because I was expecting people to start turning to dust at any second. I half expected Coulson or May to start to drift away in that final shot. Would have been better off if they had either ignored Infinity War completely, or after Tahiti they see news reports of an alien wheel in the sky over Manhattan. Since Avengers 4 will be out when this returns, they could do the whole story from a different perspective.

Overall, I really don't see the point in continuing this for another half season. The series was a vehicle for Coulson, and they just wrote him off.
Old 05-21-18 | 04:36 PM
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I don't recall them previously establishing that as either a general property of Inhumans or a specific ability of Daisy. Indeed, since Daisy has previously suffered injury from far less severe blunt-force trauma I would argue that they've established quite the opposite.
Does it really matter? You’re kind of over-thinking it, especially for a superhero science fiction show?
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Originally Posted by rw2516
What was it that happened right as she said that? Can't remember. More than one thing changed but what was that one thing that broke the loop.
I think Fitz died and Daisy got absorbed by Gravitron, maybe it was the later.
Old 05-21-18 | 07:58 PM
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Seemed to be only Daisy injecting herself as she was being absorbed.
Old 05-23-18 | 07:37 AM
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Seemed to be only Daisy injecting herself as she was being absorbed.
Yes, she injected herself with the centipede serum, that's why the fall didn't kill her and why she was strong enough to beat Talbot.
Old 05-23-18 | 07:59 AM
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Except she injected herself after the fall.
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Except she injected herself after the fall.
Oh. There goes that theory, then.
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Yeah I questioned Daisy surviving the slam as well but I am thinking maybe she was able to use her Quake powers to somehow cushion or absorb some of the blow? Could even be a subconscious thing her body just did as a self preservation measure. Otherwise it doesn't make sense because if she could survive that slam with barely any injury then no normal human should be able to hurt her with a punch or kick or even hitting with a weapon unless it was super-powered. Hell even bullets wouldn't do as much damage as that fall would if she had no powers.
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People are really questioning how Daisy survived but don't question how many times May would have been killed by now? At least Daisy has powers beyond looking hot.
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People are really questioning how Daisy survived but don't question how many times May would have been killed by now? At least Daisy has powers beyond looking hot.
I can only speak for myself, but it has long been established that May is one of if not the best physical fighter in SHIELD and so there is precedent within the confines of this universe for her to be able to stand up to foes that in real life would crush her.

There has been no precedent for Daisy being able to be dropped at maximum velocity from miles in the air down to solid concrete leaving a hundred foot wide by 20 feet deep crater and be barely hurt.
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I can only speak for myself, but it has long been established that May is one of if not the best physical fighter in SHIELD and so there is precedent within the confines of this universe for her to be able to stand up to foes that in real life would crush her.
Agreed on the skills part. But since the point was about what is physiologically possible without powers, you're missing or ignoring the point. And the point again is I laughed off Daisy surviing the same way I laughed off May and others surviving similar impossible to survive scenes. And it's not even just Shield. Many of the non-metas on the CW DC shows are just as impossibly immune to being killed by what in relaity would kill a person many times over.
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Agreed on the skills part. But since the point was about what is physiologically possible without powers, you're missing or ignoring the point. And the point again is I laughed off Daisy surviing the same way I laughed off May and others surviving similar impossible to survive scenes. And it's not even just Shield. Many of the non-metas on the CW DC shows are just as impossibly immune to being killed by what in relaity would kill a person many times over.
Not missing or ignoring the point, it is has been a long established trope of pretty much every single action, martial arts, or sci-fi movie ever that the heroes (and sometimes villains) will be able to withstand physical hits and trauma to their bodies that would kill or maim anyone in real life. Nothing May has done is outside action movie norms as far as I can recall. Certainly nothing to the level of the Daisy thing.

Extra durability and accelerated recovery time is just part of this type of show/movie and you can either suspend disbelief or not. I am able to with May and even Deke being shot and then running around a half hour later. The thing with Daisy was like Superman level of destruction so it was out of the norm. Even that didn't bother me as my head cannon was able to come up with a scenario that explained it within the framework of a superhero show. But it did stand out to me.
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Extra durability and accelerated recovery time is just part of this type of show/movie and you can either suspend disbelief or not.
Exactly as we did with Daisy given all the times show have done it before. Including with characters that have no business surving even half of what they have depicted. But at this point there doesn't seem to be any point in going further with this.
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Exactly as we did with Daisy given all the times show have done it before. Including with characters that have no business surving even half of what they have depicted. But t this point there doesn't seem to be any point in going further with this.
I could not agree more. Absolutely no point in continuing this discussion with you.


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