They can't kill Rick. They need a leader. Someone else can be the hero, but right now I don't see a leader. Maggie maybe can be the new leader.

I found this to be a dead on review of this episode

https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkai.../#3db21c2719a2

The worst part about it is that all of Dalton's interviews with TWD people sound like they were recorded over a tin can. He already had the garbage woman and Negan's right hand man on this week. He also seems to follow the Talking Dead question format. "What was your character thinking when they did that thing? Did your character make the right decision? What would your character do if such and such happened?"

Wow, it's like the reviewer was in the room with us the other night watching and taking notes on our comments.

I don't know how many people contribute to the Forbes TV reviews, but for the handful of times I have run across them I almost always come away feeling like they captured my same thoughts. For instance, I recall reading their Fear the Walking Dead reviews a few times the past few years and seeing that like me they caught on very early that the show's protagonist Madison was an incredibly stupid and loathsome character. Their negative comments aren't overly snarky or mean-spirited, and they can give a positive review without fellating the show.

I wouldn't be surprised if they reveal Jadis was secretly working with the people who use the solar panels and the copter. Would be an interesting development as part of moving on to the next story once they are done with this Negan war.

No, not a flawed hero. He has never been a hero outside of using that word to interchange with main character.

I understand that, but it is obvious you and I are watching the show on different levels. If anger and grief were his motivators he would have (or “I would have”) put a bullet in her brain or, more likely, her gut. Instead he clearly stated he had no use for her and walked away. Rick is and always has been a self-preservationist sociopath. IMO

Unquestionably, unfortunately.

Rick is not a leader. He is a manager and a bad one at that. Maggie is a leader.

In the comics I remember leadership was sort of thrust upon him and he took it up reluctantly. Eventually he grew into the role. I think they forgot to do the whole "growing into the role" thing on the TV show.

Isn't that the ultimate goal though? To preserve his and his groups lives?
Jadis had proven herself to be a threat to his and his peoples lives on numerous occasions. She offered nothing to Rick, or to the group that would benefit them. I would argue that putting "a bullet in her brain or, more likely, her gut" would have been way worse than what he did. At least with the way he left it, she had a fighting chance to survive.

How have the non-self-preservationists been faring?

I don't know what exactly it is being alleged he was supposed to do with her. Invite her to join the group? That would be lunacy. If a random stranger showed up they wouldn't immediately accept them into the group until they knew more about them, even if it didn't already involve a psychotic history of betraying and attempting to murder members of his group on multiple occasions.

Yet there are some that are calling Rick a sociopath for simply walking away from her.

It's the hate watchers. I don't know whether it's a phenomena of the internet or not, but I don't get watching a show you don't enjoy.

Look, Rick is not a sociopath. He loves his children and his group. He would happily have died if that could have saved Carl's life. Look how he bowed to Negan so THAT sociopath wouldn't hurt the boy.

Jar Jar, as someone has said, has no loyalty in her. She never did any good for Rick and the group. It strained credulity that he kept turning to the heapsters thinking they would eventually change.

So, he tried to get their help one more time and he came upon her by herself with the rest of them gone. He doesn't like her, he doesn't trust her. Without her group she is of no use to him.

He did just lose his child. He's mourning and the first stage of grief is anger. So, there's Jar Jar, useless, traitorous. He could have, and should have helped her. But he's angry and he already hates her and doesn't trust her. He projected that anger on to her.

I don't agree with his decision, especially since she has the secret for keeping her whites REALLY white and all their clothes are so dingy, but I do understand it.

The more I think about it, and after watching Talking Dead, I'm very intrigued by this idea that there may be another group involved that has a helicopter and a working power facility. It all can go very badly if they don't frame it well, but if done maybe they can resurrect the show from this stream of filler episodes that has been this war with Negan.

I would say this was one of the better episodes of the season. It didn't drag on or belabor plot points. IDK why they chose to use the stylistic title cards but they were only a minor annoyance. I really think Rick is a terrible leader and it would be nice to see him take a back seat to Maggie or something. Negan was right and Rick really is out of control and its his fault Carl is gone.
I would be surprised at this point if the show got back on track but at least its not god awful like the first half of "all out war"

It can't be "just another group" or the show is going to sputter out. What if it's a group that actually has their shit together, and shows Rick's group what they could have been if they didn't foul everything up with stupid mistakes.

I'm just speculating, but I think we are going to see two separate, and different, comic story lines after "All Out War" occurring at the same time. I get the sense that after the reaction to All Out War their is a desire at the producer level to move past the comic material and start making up their own story.

Based on the little I know the comics after the war, I think we'll see the group that has bit hinted at very briefly during episodes this season (similar to how it goes down in the comic) AND something to do with the helicopter. The second part having to be different since they already deviated too much from how that works in the comics.

And yes, a group that has it really going on, and would make the series regulars the students (forced to learn from the masters) would be a refreshing change. In seemed like the Fear show could have went there with that survival compound, but that of curse turned out to be just as bad because of that show's version of Rick (Madison).

Exactly. A group that knew about the Saviors, so they just steered clear of them or left the area as most of us suggested.

The obvious question about a potential "helicopter group" is what did they do for the junk yard people that Jadis has been so tight lipped about them. Provide supplies? Or were they just legitimately threatened by this group, but not the Saviors. I was originally thinking that given their speech patterns perhaps the junkyard people were a result of experimentation because someone was looking for a cure and that perhaps Jadis was just there to observe them.

My biggest question if they go that direction is how is the helicopter that much of a secret. They are not exactly a stealthy way to get around and they require a lot of maintenance.

In the current storyline in the comics,

^ They're probably a couple seasons away from doing that if they stick with the story line that has been hinted at. Or they let the Fear cast handle that one.