Re: Westworld (S1E04) -- "Dissonance Theory" -- 10/23/16
 

Really intriguing, well-written, well-acted show. Expected no less from one of the Nolan Bros and visual style of Scott.

We just binge-watched the first four episodes so avoided discussion here, but wondered if anyone had noticed a possible homage to the original film?

In the original, Yul Brynner as the Man in Black wore an outfit almost identical to his iconic character as the leader ("Chris") in the first two Magnificent Seven movies.

In this, Ed Harris as the Man in Black (although the character is now a human) wears an outfit that is very similar to his Virgil Cole character in the great western "Appaloosa."

Here's Harris in that role:

http://www.aceshowbiz.com/images/still/appaloosa17.jpg

Of course, it's possibly just a costume decision having nothing to do with Harris since Teddy & most other characters wear similar clothing. In the original film, Brolin & Benjamin wore costumes in 60's tv western style that matched Brynner's attire. It all looked more like play-acting & dress-up...more "Bonanza" than "Deadwood." But Harris may have had something to say about his costume choice. :shrug:



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Re: Westworld (S1E04) -- "Dissonance Theory" -- 10/23/16
 

That's one thing that bothers me. Cleaning up after those bloodbaths, have to be a herculean effort - no way they can clean up, patch bullet holes, fix/replace furniture, clean clothes, repair robots, put everything back in place, etc, etc, in, what, 8 hours time? Not possible! I'll believe thinking/feeling robots, but this cleanup shit is just against the laws of physics.

Re: Westworld (S1E04) -- "Dissonance Theory" -- 10/23/16
 

I detect a lil' note of sarcasm in that there post, slop.




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Re: Westworld (S1E04) -- "Dissonance Theory" -- 10/23/16
 

I'm calling it now: Anthony Hopkins is an A.I.

Re: Westworld (S1E04) -- "Dissonance Theory" -- 10/23/16
 

Cool episode, especially watching Ford play God with all those people. I really wonder how he's able to control everyone like that. Not quite feeling the William and Logan stuff since it's playing out fairly straightforward. I did love the "upgrade" line that was mentioned above too.

It was cool seeing the extras that the Man in Black has, like the exploding cigar that he was basically able to just call down too. The video game nods were strong in this episode.

It feels to me like the show isn't really consistent with days in this episode - we also saw Hector get killed in an earlier episode and he was right back and ready to go, bu tsome of the flashbacks by Maeve make it seem like more days have passed. Ford seemed to go from having a new idea for a plot to having a ton of construction seemingly already in place?

Are you just going to call out multiple things to you can pat yourself on the back for the one you actually get right? :p

Re: Westworld (S1E04) -- "Dissonance Theory" -- 10/23/16
 

Yup!

Re: Westworld (S1E04) -- "Dissonance Theory" -- 10/23/16
 

Not exactly going out on a limb.

So we have an Arnold who was/is probably a real person and in Westworld
there is Wyatt who is an unknown too.

Same?

Some have said that they think Bernard is a robot now because Ford told the woman to take it easy on him.

I agree with Blu about MiB that he could be Billy's friend. (Don't call me Billy)

Re: Westworld (S1E04) -- "Dissonance Theory" -- 10/23/16
 

I have no idea where the show is going but I'm loving it. The whole idea of diving deeper into the "game" to find secrets reminds me a bit of Ready Player One. So many theories; I'm trying not to think about which will end up correct. The ride is enjoyable as-is.

Re: Westworld (S1E04) -- "Dissonance Theory" -- 10/23/16
 

While it was interesting, it made no damn sense. The Man in Black has the cigars in the stagecoach, and gives one to the guard. The cigars have to be "rigged" at that point. The control room mentions that they have a request for two small level detonations which get cleared. Is the control room then detonating the cigars? Why would they even need to ask since he obviously got the cigars from Westworld itself, otherwise they wouldn't be able to prevent the explosions.


Were we supposed to have figured out who Ford was talking about when he said the board had already sent a representative?

Re: Westworld (S1E04) -- "Dissonance Theory" -- 10/23/16
 

One detonation was a cigar and the other was the lock on the jail cell.

Probably need to clear it first after checking who it was for and what the size was.

Re: Westworld (S1E04) -- "Dissonance Theory" -- 10/23/16
 

:thumbsup:

Re: Westworld (S1E04) -- "Dissonance Theory" -- 10/23/16
 

Yeah, seemed to make sense to me. They wouldn't want to set it off it was near a human, for instance.

Re: Westworld (S1E04) -- "Dissonance Theory" -- 10/23/16
 

Didn't the lock blow because Harris put his cigar in it? The one that blew up in the guy's face is the one he stole during the coach ride.

Re: Westworld (S1E04) -- "Dissonance Theory" -- 10/23/16
 

Ford seems to have a completely different personality inside his "world". Outside of it hes a meek old man. Seemingly apologizing for just being around. In Westworld hes basically a Super-villain.

Its interesting that the Hosts remembering the men in clean suits who "service" them every night is part of the story line. The other host who took the bullet out was also aware of their "legend". Plus she saw that doll that looked like them.

Re: Westworld (S1E04) -- "Dissonance Theory" -- 10/23/16
 

I don't think he's a super-villain. He simply has a different perspective on Westworld than the "moneymen" from Delos.

It seems like Ford and Arnold built it as a sort of incubator for the hosts ... to see how they would develop. Updates such as the reveries were intended to make the hosts display more and more human behaviors.

I believe Ford sees Westworld as a large ant farm where he can guide and observe the evolution of his "pets". For him, the goal is not for the guests to live out their fantasies ... but for the hosts to observe/learn behaviors from the guests ... and evolve into something more than just programmed creatures.

For Ford, something like Dolores' aberrant behavior is not a glitch ... but a goal?

Re: Westworld (S1E04) -- "Dissonance Theory" -- 10/23/16
 

So why do you think Ford was so harsh with the Lab Tech who covered up the Host as he worked on it? Ford seemed to not give a fuck about the Host and made sure the Tech understood that they weren't real and had no feelings.

Yet, he seems to want to push more towards "Being Human". Or does he?

Re: Westworld (S1E04) -- "Dissonance Theory" -- 10/23/16
 

As we're learning from this year's presidential election, it's OK to have both a "public" and "private" position. ;)

Maybe he's playing the "unassuming, doddering old man" around others, but keeping his real goal hidden until he can show what he's finally accomplished?

That, or:


Or even:

Re: Westworld (S1E04) -- "Dissonance Theory" -- 10/23/16
 

Guy stole 2 cigars from MiB.
MiB kept one and I think he was smoking it or may have used it to blow the door.