The Walking Dead (S6E13) -- "The Same Boat" -- 3/13/16
 

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Episode 13 of 16

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Am I the only one noticing that the plot synopsis for this episode is wrong? I wonder if they messed up and this is for next week?

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Solid episode.

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Slow episode. Carol seemed out of character in this episode. Alica Witt would have made a much better Mary Jane Watson when she was younger than Kirsten Dunst.

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The group is up around 50-0 against the saviors so far.

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I said the same thing after last week's episode. How many times are they going to play the 'guilty for killing people' card?

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Carol was out of character because she was pretending to be out of character.

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Exactly, she was out of character because she was waiting for her moment. Carol would've been a hell of an undercover agent.

That was a great episode. I really liked all the female Saviors, and was kind of sad to see them go. In that one episode, they were all more interesting than anyone out of Alexandria.

"You're not the good guys. You should know that." Finally someone said it! It's true I am convinced.

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No way was she pretending. Did you guys miss last week's episode which pretty much revolved around her guilt of killing? Was she pretending then too?

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She was pretending this week one hundred percent in my opinion. All crying and hysterical with the rosary, all the while using it to cut off her restraints. Feeling guilty last week doesn't mean she won't burn you alive this week.

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Best season of TWD, so far.

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Total filler episode, but still good.

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You're both right. She was pretending to be a timid wallflower. However, she wasn't pretending to be tired of the killing and resistant to doing it. That's the part that seemed out of character. We don't have to guess about her (and Maggie's) feelings because they explicitly expressed them in the episode (including at the end).

Rick: You OK?
Carol: No.
Maggie (to Glen): I can't do it anymore.

And that's just the end. Earlier Carol talks about not killing the Negan guy and that she didn't miss, she just didn't want to kill him (even though she says she should have). And she obviously didn't want to kill the Negan redhead.

It's not jump the shark or anything for me, but it is noticeable that suddenly Carol is reluctant to kill. Is Morgan rubbing off on her? Is that why she is keeping his secrets?

I've been kind of skimming the threads as I got tired of all the hints about who is coming and what their character is like (Jesus, Negan, and some woman whose name I've already successfully forgotten), but I have to say, I'm curious to know if there is really a single Negan person at this point. Still, I'll resist my temptation to spoil myself and just let it play out.

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I disagree. Yes, she will kill if necessary, but this is a different Carol & she was not faking her guilt IMO (and it was pretty obvious to me). She hesitated killing multiple characters in this episode and cut her hand open with her cross at the end. Why do that unless she's guilty?

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She was absolutely pretending, in terms of being this meek and fearful captive. We definitely know that's not who she is now. She has made some hard choices and done some really brutal things, but she also feels guilty about what she's had to do. Both are true. That's the theme of this episode.

At the end when they burn those others alive... damn.

Best episode of the season, IMO.

Except, this was me last week:

This is me after tonight's episode:
:sad:

Melissa McBride and Alicia Witt are both on Talking Dead tonight.

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Even the most hardened soldiers can reach their breaking point. I know everything thinks they'd be a cold blooded killing machine in the zombie apocalypse but that's easy to say when you're sitting behind a keyboard.

We've seen Carol play meek before. But this was much more interesting, because you could tell was doing it because she knew it would work and she knew she'd have to kill all of those people. And despite her guilt, she STILL stepped up when she needed too and smoked everyone. She just seemed so sad about it.

My god, she's not a fucking robot. There is a point where someone could realistically just be tired of killing, especially in a world with so few people.

There is so much complaining about the writing and characters on this show (that everyone still watches religiously) and when they actually do step up and do something interesting, that's criticized too. I do not get it.

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Alicia Wiit was lookin' damn fine on Talking Dead.

One bit of tonight's Walking Dead episode caught my eye...

(Spoilered sections involve speculation based on leaked finale footage and info from the comics.)

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Nope, definitely feeling guilty, and pretending at the same time. Old carol would have smoked that chick without a word when she finally had the gun on her, not that BS of telling her to just run away. Maggie was the one who went full redrum this time.

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I don't think these things are mutually exclusive either. She may have been feeling guilty, and genuinely saw herself in Alicia Witt's character and did not want to kill her, while still be faking the hell out of that panic attack & all that tears & rosary stuff. Carol's done this before, not out of character at all in my opinion.

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Oh well, I guess three straight great episodes of The Walking Dead was asking for too much. First, it was plainly obvious that Carol and Maggie were going to save themselves within about ten minutes of the episode starting. This was their "hero" moment the show feels it needs to repeat every so often.

I like Alicia Witt (she's one of my favorites in the Hallmark telemovies) but I've seen her in too many other roles for her character to have been completely effective.

The stuff with Carol at the end was out of character. I also wondered why Carol willingly volunteered to them that Maggie was pregnant, which gave them even more leverage in the negotiations. Things only worked out because the writers made it work out.

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Added the leaked video to my spoilered post above.

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Are you guys complaining because it's the "cool thing to do" these days?

Come on... it was a good/great episode. Lots to think about.

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That's hilarious. The hints about her are quite on the ball and are far from subtle.

Isn't casting info for upcoming episodes common knowledge? Hardwick and various talk shows should've already spoiled Negan.

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It was a good episode.

Agree with Mikah about Carol.

And also wonder about Negan. I mean, I know that there's one person. But, rhetorical question, i want to know why they say everyone is Negan.

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Good eppie. Was on the edge of my balcony for the ending.

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I think this just about everytime I read a thread on this forum about this show and many others. So many armchair killers post here it's just ridiculous. Yeesh.

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Why didn't I get the impression that any of the women were

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It feels like the tv series is pushing a cult-like angle to The Saviors.

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I think that might have the case for the women with Dwight who were trying to escape in the truck. (Dwight is the fellow who stole Daryl's bike and crossbow for those who don't remember. I also don't think they gave his name in the episode, but later confirmed he was Dwight.)

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Talk about faint praise.

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Well I loved this episode but I did have a problem with Carol telling Paula to run away. After all the shit she gave Morgan for letting the Wolf go I just don't see why she would do that.

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She was definitely pretending. She even talked to Rick in a meek, trembling voice on the radio, which was the first clue.

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I thought this was a good ep. I think it's interesting that at this point, we have yet to meet a group of people who have claimed more lives than Rick's group. They are truly dangerous and it's becoming obvious.

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Michelle and Paula were upset by our heroes' murderous actions. Although Paula understood taking out the biker gang, were the Saviors unaware of the Hilltop murder and hostage? How about the Polaroids?

Also, is Primo a name or a rank?

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I think Sam's death hit her pretty hard and there's part of her that thinks she is responsible. She's also been keeping a tally of everyone she's killed and it seems to be affecting her more and more each week.

Do people really want these characters to be cold, emotionless robots gunning everyone down? I'd much rather have a glimpse of humanity and/or something worth fighting for from time to time.

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It seems like it's their "I'm Spartacus" moment. They're protecting their leader from people who would do him harm.

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There was some pretending, but clearly not everything was pretending. Carol was still acting that way even when there was no longer a reason to act that way. She refused to kill Paula twice, and both times were well past the point of needing to pretend any more.

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I think what we have is a lot of satellite groups used by the Saviors to keep communities in check. The large group in the communication building was there to watch over Hilltop.

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Exactly. I'm really surprised when people don't get stuff even when it is clearly spelled out in front of them.

She's got a potential love interest and a period of quite for a few months and that's gotten her to soften up emotionally. She's finally taken a look at her actions and they're frightened her. So her being hesitant to rack up additional kills is something she is trying to avoid.

Now at the same time she was also playing up her whole terrified house-mom act that she goes into to have everyone drop their guard around her. That was her "act". Just because she was avoiding killing doesn't mean she was suddenly not going to try and save herself.

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My guess is they'll keep "playing that card" for as long as there's still humans on the show.