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slop101 07-14-15 02:42 PM
Re: True Detective (S2E04) -- "Down Will Come" -- 7/12/15
 
Originally Posted by Why So Blu? (Post 12535705)
Did you read the comment posted underneath?

Spoiler:
In the first four episodes of the second season of True Detective, Nic Pizzolatto has offered a number of clues to the identity of who killed Vinci city manager Ben Caspere and subsequently complicated gangster Frank Semyon’s (played by Vince Vaughn) multi-million dollar land deal ahead of a planned a high-speed railway project.

Paul Woodrugh (played by Taylor Kitsch) killed Caspere.

Paul Woodrugh is the Oedipus character, in a fugue state on his motorcycle when he returns to the picnic table where Caspere’s corpse is seated (Season 2, Episode 1); in a fugue state returning to the homosexual military cohort’s residence to spend the night (Season 2, Episode 4). As he attempts to repress what disturbs him most, Woodrugh dissociates at times and is not fully aware of his actions. He commits acts that he would not otherwise commit, and subsequently he does not remember those acts.

Detective Dixon (played by W. Earl Brown) suspected Woodrugh, but now Dixon is dead (Season 2, Episode 4).

In Season 2, Pizzolatto counts on his audience to overlook what is hiding in plain sight, just like Season 1.

And don’t forget, there is a videotape in the second season of True Detective, just as there was in the first season. There is always a videotape – it is an ironic and necessary ingredient in the Pizzolatto literary formula because after all, like Caspere, most people like to watch . . .

I live among you
Well disguised



That's awesome if true. #jawdrop
Didn't they already show Caspere, already dead, slumping in the back seat of a car with his head hitting the window, long before Woodrugh found him?

Why So Blu? 07-14-15 03:26 PM
Re: True Detective (S2E04) -- "Down Will Come" -- 7/12/15
 
Originally Posted by JTH182 (Post 12535756)
A fugue state? Next thing you know he'll be butt ass naked in the middle of a grocery store.
Or blacked out at his former boyfriend's house. Oh, wait.

Why So Blu? 07-14-15 03:34 PM
Re: True Detective (S2E04) -- "Down Will Come" -- 7/12/15
 
Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 12535773)
Didn't they already show Caspere, already dead, slumping in the back seat of a car with his head hitting the window, long before Woodrugh found him?

I'll have to re-watch the first episode. That sequence of Caspar in the car may have been edited out of sequence to throw folks off.

slop101 07-14-15 03:42 PM
Re: True Detective (S2E04) -- "Down Will Come" -- 7/12/15
 
Well, there's "unreliable narrator", and then there's just bullshit manipulation.

Why So Blu? 07-14-15 03:44 PM
Re: True Detective (S2E04) -- "Down Will Come" -- 7/12/15
 
Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 12535840)
Well, there's "unreliable narrator", and then there's just bullshit manipulation.
And considering how fucked up these people are then i wouldn't be surprised.


Shit, makes me want to do a mini-recap of the first 4 episodes before Sunday's 5th.

slop101 07-14-15 04:03 PM
Re: True Detective (S2E04) -- "Down Will Come" -- 7/12/15
 
Originally Posted by Why So Blu? (Post 12535845)
And considering how fucked up these people are then i wouldn't be surprised.
You're missing my point. If this were the case, that would be more on the writers, as in [i]bad writing[/b] than it would be on "fucked up characters". But at this point, it wouldn't surprise me since the writing's been pretty bad.

Neil M. 07-14-15 04:20 PM
Re: True Detective (S2E04) -- "Down Will Come" -- 7/12/15
 
Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 12535773)
Didn't they already show Caspere, already dead, slumping in the back seat of a car with his head hitting the window, long before Woodrugh found him?
The whole car thing puts a huge hole in the theory. Unless Woodrugh has a car that he doesn't know about.

JTH182 07-14-15 05:27 PM
Re: True Detective (S2E04) -- "Down Will Come" -- 7/12/15
 
Originally Posted by Why So Blu? (Post 12535819)
Or blacked out at his former boyfriend's house. Oh, wait.

It was a Breaking Bad joke

Why So Blu? 07-14-15 05:29 PM
Re: True Detective (S2E04) -- "Down Will Come" -- 7/12/15
 
Originally Posted by Neil M. (Post 12535889)
The whole car thing puts a huge hole in the theory. Unless Woodrugh has a car that he doesn't know about.
That or there's more than 1 killer.

Bill Needle 07-14-15 05:58 PM
Re: True Detective (S2E04) -- "Down Will Come" -- 7/12/15
 
Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 12535840)
Well, there's "unreliable narrator", and then there's just bullshit manipulation.
fugues ex machina

Why So Blu? 07-14-15 06:01 PM
Re: True Detective (S2E04) -- "Down Will Come" -- 7/12/15
 
I also had to look up the word "fugue" so don't think I'm all ZOMG it's the best thing ever. I just thought it was a clever way of fucking with people if it turns out to be true.

Red Dog 07-14-15 08:29 PM
Re: True Detective (S2E04) -- "Down Will Come" -- 7/12/15
 
When the show turns into a Hawaii Five O episode, start the laughing. rotfl

johnnysd 07-14-15 09:43 PM
Re: True Detective (S2E04) -- "Down Will Come" -- 7/12/15
 
Originally Posted by Red Dog (Post 12536098)
When the show turns into a Hawaii Five O episode, start the laughing. rotfl
Thought this tweet was great:

https://twitter.com/willapaskin/stat...76413890756608

Ropes Pierre 07-15-15 03:45 PM
Re: True Detective (S2E04) -- "Down Will Come" -- 7/12/15
 
Woodrugh is an anagram of "I am the crow". now it all fits.

mugwump 07-15-15 04:09 PM
Re: True Detective (S2E04) -- "Down Will Come" -- 7/12/15
 
And Frank Semyon is "Forsake Mnny" so now it's really, really clear.

Why So Blu? 07-15-15 10:10 PM
Re: True Detective (S2E04) -- "Down Will Come" -- 7/12/15
 
I just finished watching this past weekend's episode again. So
Spoiler:
what's so weird about them surviving
? You guys have been watching too much GOT - wrong show, people.
Spoiler:
2/3rds of the crowd ran off and the rest were mowed down including cops and some were killed by the cops themselves in the crossfire. It makes perfect sense that our primary cast survived. They're now bound by this event. I'm sure they'll work together to find out who set them up. I'm sure the crooked ass Mayor had something to do with it.


Spoiler:
Also, to those that didn't like that there was no response team or SWAT - I'm sure that bit must have been delayed by the same crooked ass Mayor and the Chief of police, who are probably in cahoots with each other.

I don't vouch all the way with the fugue state in terms of Woodrough being the killer but there's something going on when he knocks his former fling down on the ground and almost pulls a gun on him then winds up in the guy's bed the next day. What happened there? Fugue state, duh.

Keep it up cynics. For all the ragging on the show We'll see you back again Sunday night.

aktick 07-15-15 10:16 PM
Re: True Detective (S2E04) -- "Down Will Come" -- 7/12/15
 
Spoilers, son!

Why So Blu? 07-15-15 10:21 PM
Re: True Detective (S2E04) -- "Down Will Come" -- 7/12/15
 
Originally Posted by aktick (Post 12537429)
Spoilers, son!
I spoilered it but if you haven't seen it then you or anyone else who hasn't seen it shouldn't be in this thread. FYI

slop101 07-15-15 11:20 PM
Re: True Detective (S2E04) -- "Down Will Come" -- 7/12/15
 
Originally Posted by aktick (Post 12537429)
Spoilers, son!
No spoiler tags necessary in episode threads after episode has aired on the West coast.

Originally Posted by Why So Blu? (Post 12537420)
what's so weird about them surviving[/SPOILER]? You guys have been watching too much GOT - wrong show, people.
The issue wasn't that they survived, the issue was that they're the only ones that survived. It just looked contrived and silly.

aktick 07-16-15 12:17 AM
Re: True Detective (S2E04) -- "Down Will Come" -- 7/12/15
 
Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 12537471)
No spoiler tags necessary in episode threads after episode has aired on the West coast.
I was talking about his speculative info based on the article comments. I read them, but it's definitely spoilerish.

Oh, and it's the
Spoiler:
Woodrough being the killer stuff
I found potentially spoilery. Not anything that happened in this episode.

Why So Blu? 07-16-15 02:35 AM
Re: True Detective (S2E04) -- "Down Will Come" -- 7/12/15
 
Oh, and another theory:
Spoiler:
There's more than one killer. No way was the Crow man the same person that burned their car and ran off in episode 3.



I'm thinking this is some weird
Spoiler:
cult
shit.
Spoiler:
McCadams father and him knowing the other therapist from episode 2 and knowing the mayor and his father back in the day.


They could all be in it together. What say you? Doe it make better sense than
Spoiler:
Woodrough
being the killer?

Jackskeleton 07-16-15 04:15 AM
Re: True Detective (S2E04) -- "Down Will Come" -- 7/12/15
 
This season just needs a true straight man to cut through all this poetic, yet creepy speeches.

http://www.gifwave.com/media/41943_t...cohle_200s.gif

Why So Blu? 07-16-15 10:24 PM
Re: True Detective (S2E04) -- "Down Will Come" -- 7/12/15
 
I guess not.


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