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dhmac 05-25-15 08:28 AM
Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
 
Originally Posted by superdeluxe (Post 12490909)
Lots of good this week!

*Damn that Reek for giving up the old lady/Sansa. Theon has to redeem himself, otherwise the whole goings on between Ramsey/Sansa/Theon was just a waste of time
One thing I don't get is how Ramsay figured out that it was the old lady who was trying to help Sansa. All Sansa said to Theon/Reek was her family has friends in the North and all she has to do is give a signal with the candle in the tower so they will come rescue here. That alone doesn't give away the old lady because Sansa could've made that plan with Northerners before she even got to Winterfell.

And what was the object that Sansa picked up from the castle wall when she was outside with Ramsay the Bastard?

dhmac 05-25-15 08:33 AM
Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
 
Originally Posted by Josh-da-man (Post 12490912)
Cersei found herself caught in her own trap. She really isn't as clever as she fancies herself.
Cersei is finally learning the hard way that people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

(Although because it's Cersei, despite getting caught in her own web she probably still won't learn that lesson.)

Josh-da-man 05-25-15 09:20 AM
Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
 
Originally Posted by johnnysd (Post 12490874)

They had better not actually do what is suggested with Shireen. I could not handle that. Especially since she seems to play a really large role in the books to come.
My crazy Shireen theory...

(Contains a book spoiler, so don't click unless you know how the novel "A Dance with Dragons" ends...)

(Sorry, no way around this...)

Spoiler:

Melisandre told Stannis that the only way to defeat the Boltons and take Winterfell was to sacrifice Shireen.

But there's more to it than that.

Jon Snow will be killed by his own men for trying to make peace with the Wildlings. Might be the kid who killed Ygritte, might be Thorne. Doesn't matter. He'll be killed.

Melisandre will then sacrifice Shireen to resurrect Jon. Since Jon is/was dead, he has been released from his oath to the Nights Watch. "Now his watch has ended." Stannis, who may or may know what has just happened, will then legitimize Jon Snow and he will then become Jon Stark, heir to Winterfell.

With a Stark leading Stannis' army into Winterfell, there's now way the Boltons will be able to keep Winterfell once a male Stark returns to Winterfell.

johnnysd 05-25-15 09:58 AM
Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
 
Originally Posted by Josh-da-man (Post 12490913)
(Not really spoilery, just speculation, but...)

Never occurred to me that
Spoiler:
Dany might try to feed Tyrion to her dragons, I figured that once they met they might get on nicely. If she does give him over to her dragons, it might be a good opportunity to reveal that tyrion is fireproof and her brother. "You're no son of mine."
Also book spoiler:
Spoiler:

It is a three headed Dragon, so there are 3 riders of the Dragons. It is widely believed Tyrion is one and that would be an efficient way to establish that.

Dr. DVD 05-25-15 10:12 AM
Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
 
Good ep. last night, but no performance of "Rastafarian Targareyn". Disappointed. :(


It's a damn shame Martin doesn't know how to get the point like D&D. Book spoiler question:

Spoiler:
Did anyone else who read the book get the impression that Jon Snow's death was something of a fake out? I remember the second book lead us to believe that Theon Greyjoy was dead , but we later learned he wasn't. I don't really buy the whole sacrificing of Shireen to resurrect Jon . Resurrection really doesn't fit this show aside from the Others and Thoros ....okay maybe it does. Also, looks like Mance is officially dead on the show. :(

DeputyDave 05-25-15 10:18 AM
Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
 
Originally Posted by dhmac (Post 12490965)
Good thing Bronn has a nice singing voice.
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/iBKyLjvrmg8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

creekdipper 05-25-15 10:19 AM
Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
 
Originally Posted by covenant (Post 12490803)
I guess the whole point of the sand snakes scene was to see boobies?
Originally Posted by Groucho (Post 12490807)
Good episode, but it was a bit dumb to give Bronn the antidote in the exact scene where we find out he was poisoned.
Those two posts are directly connected narrative-wise.

"Any gratuitous nudity scheduled for this episode?"

"Just an old flayed lady." *

:hscratch:

"(Sigh) Fetch the Snakes. And Bronn."

**************************************************************************************************** *************

*Speaking of the Boltons, just figured out their favorite chef.

Bandoman 05-25-15 11:13 AM
Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
 
:lol:

dhmac 05-25-15 11:30 AM
Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
 
Originally Posted by DeputyDave (Post 12491022)
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/iBKyLjvrmg8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
Bronn with blond hair! So maybe he's a secret Lannister or Targaryen!

B.A. 05-25-15 11:42 AM
Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
 
Originally Posted by MrX (Post 12490790)
The internet might break tonight now that Tyrion and Dany have met.
I can't believe they didn't drag that out any longer. Shocked really.

johnnysd 05-25-15 11:48 AM
Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
 
Originally Posted by Josh-da-man (Post 12490992)
My crazy Shireen theory...

(Contains a book spoiler, so don't click unless you know how the novel "A Dance with Dragons" ends...)

(Sorry, no way around this...)

Spoiler:

Melisandre told Stannis that the only way to defeat the Boltons and take Winterfell was to sacrifice Shireen.

But there's more to it than that.

Jon Snow will be killed by his own men for trying to make peace with the Wildlings. Might be the kid who killed Ygritte, might be Thorne. Doesn't matter. He'll be killed.

Melisandre will then sacrifice Shireen to resurrect Jon. Since Jon is/was dead, he has been released from his oath to the Nights Watch. "Now his watch has ended." Stannis, who may or may know what has just happened, will then legitimize Jon Snow and he will then become Jon Stark, heir to Winterfell.

With a Stark leading Stannis' army into Winterfell, there's now way the Boltons will be able to keep Winterfell once a male Stark returns to Winterfell.
Book spoiler reply

Spoiler:
Possible, but in the books there are a lot of hints that Shireen will be VERY important in the end game of the story. She is a healed girl with Greyscale and not a Stone Man, and Greyscale will be important to the war against the White Walkers. Also, it is hinted several times in the book that Shireen may actually be who resides on the Iron Throne at the end of the series. She is in some ways the rightful heir once Stannis dies. I do not think they will go there in the story on TV, and I do think that there is quite a good chance she is as important in the show as in the books. She is the one character in the stories truly good at heart. If they do sacrifice her, I am not sure I could handle it, she is one of my favorite characters both in the books and in the show. I do think it is misdirection. Maybe the sacrifice is actually Melisandre.

DaveyJoe 05-25-15 12:02 PM
Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
 
Originally Posted by johnnysd (Post 12491100)
Book spoiler reply

Spoiler:
Possible, but in the books there are a lot of hints that Shireen will be VERY important in the end game of the story. She is a healed girl with Greyscale and not a Stone Man, and Greyscale will be important to the war against the White Walkers. Also, it is hinted several times in the book that Shireen may actually be who resides on the Iron Throne at the end of the series. She is in some ways the rightful heir once Stannis dies. I do not think they will go there in the story on TV, and I do think that there is quite a good chance she is as important in the show as in the books. She is the one character in the stories truly good at heart. If they do sacrifice her, I am not sure I could handle it, she is one of my favorite characters both in the books and in the show. I do think it is misdirection. Maybe the sacrifice is actually Melisandre.
Spoiler:
There's also foreshadowing in the books that she'll be burned. I mean she's the only person with kingsblood that Mel has access to right now, so the possibility is there.

aktick 05-25-15 12:09 PM
Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
 
Somebody has to invent the stocking cap for those poor fuckers in the north.

DeputyDave 05-25-15 12:10 PM
Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
 
Originally Posted by dhmac (Post 12491090)
Bronn with blond hair! So maybe he's a secret Lannister or Targaryen!
The oddest thing about that video is when he sticks his finger in his partners mouth.

johnnysd 05-25-15 12:12 PM
Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
 
Originally Posted by Dr. DVD (Post 12491019)
Good ep. last night, but no performance of "Rastafarian Targareyn". Disappointed. :(


It's a damn shame Martin doesn't know how to get the point like D&D. Book spoiler question:

Spoiler:
Did anyone else who read the book get the impression that Jon Snow's death was something of a fake out? I remember the second book lead us to believe that Theon Greyjoy was dead , but we later learned he wasn't. I don't really buy the whole sacrificing of Shireen to resurrect Jon . Resurrection really doesn't fit this show aside from the Others and Thoros ....okay maybe it does. Also, looks like Mance is officially dead on the show. :(
Book spoiler response

Spoiler:
Almost everyone assumes it is some sort of fake out, mostly that Meilsandre will resurrect him (she knows his lineage and importance in the books) - she says something like "when I look into the flames now all I see is Snow", and all the Baeric Dondarrion and LS stuff was a prelude to his resurrection, which will also free him from his oath. Many think he is the "ICE" in a Song of Ice and Fire, and ultimately one of the three Dragonriders. Tyrion being the other very likely one.

johnnysd 05-25-15 12:13 PM
Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
 
Originally Posted by johnnysd (Post 12491013)
Also book spoiler:
Spoiler:

It is a three headed Dragon, so there are 3 riders of the Dragons. It is widely believed Tyrion is one and that would be an efficient way to establish that.
Yes and the show will spoil the answer for us.

Dr. DVD 05-25-15 12:27 PM
Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
 
Originally Posted by johnnysd (Post 12491110)
Book spoiler response

Spoiler:
Almost everyone assumes it is some sort of fake out, mostly that Meilsandre will resurrect him (she knows his lineage and importance in the books) - she says something like "when I look into the flames now all I see is Snow", and all the Baeric Dondarrion and LS stuff was a prelude to his resurrection, which will also free him from his oath. Many think he is the "ICE" in a Song of Ice and Fire, and ultimately one of the three Dragonriders. Tyrion being the other very likely one.
See,

Spoiler:
the title of the saga kind of says it all. Ice=Jon, Fire=Dany, but I cannot figure where Tyrion goes in the mix. Maybe the singer? :) I've kind of thought Bran might be a rider , or...the dragons are uncontrollable and Bran must Warg into one of them for Jon to ride it.

Shazam 05-25-15 12:30 PM
Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
 
But what did they all have for dinner, and how did they eat it???

B.A. 05-25-15 12:31 PM
Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
 
Originally Posted by aktick (Post 12491108)
Somebody has to invent the stocking cap for those poor fuckers in the north.
I've laughed for five years about their lack of headwear.


I am going to miss Maester Aemon on the show. His scenes were always insightful and he was perfectly cast.


I laughed when Cersei was arrest because she too arrogant to think that the Sparrow would even think of such a thing.

johnnysd 05-25-15 12:51 PM
Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
 
Originally Posted by Dr. DVD (Post 12491120)
See,

Spoiler:
the title of the saga kind of says it all. Ice=Jon, Fire=Dany, but I cannot figure where Tyrion goes in the mix. Maybe the singer? :) I've kind of thought Bran might be a rider , or...the dragons are uncontrollable and Bran must Warg into one of them for Jon to ride it.
Spoiler:
It is quite possible that Ice = The Others and Fire = Dragons as well or a double meaning. I think, though, that there is a possibility that Jon is truly dead. Highly unlikely, but possible.

spainlinx0 05-25-15 12:52 PM
Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
 
Originally Posted by dhmac (Post 12490971)
One thing I don't get is how Ramsay figured out that it was the old lady who was trying to help Sansa. All Sansa said to Theon/Reek was her family has friends in the North and all she has to do is give a signal with the candle in the tower so they will come rescue here. That alone doesn't give away the old lady because Sansa could've made that plan with Northerners before she even got to Winterfell.

And what was the object that Sansa picked up from the castle wall when she was outside with Ramsay the Bastard?
I assumed that they actually lit the candle, and saw who would come to the tower? I'm not sure the details, but I figured that by lighting that candle and putting it in the window, somehow it would reveal who had told Sansa to do it.

OldBoy 05-25-15 01:20 PM
Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
 
that poisonous Sand Snake was so damn cute. the one that exposed herself to Bronn. anyone have a gif or post a screen cap? who was she?

brainee 05-25-15 02:27 PM
Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
 
Originally Posted by OldBoy (Post 12491145)
that poisonous Sand Snake was so damn cute. the one that exposed herself to Bronn. anyone have a gif or post a screen cap? who was she?
Pretty sure we can't post nudes here :lol:

The character was Tyene Sand played by Rosabell Laurenti Sellers. Looks like most of her filmography has been Italian tv up to now.

Now it seems pretty clear that the series will catch up to the books by the end of this season. While the show producers would never say anything negative about Martin's writing, it speaks volumes that they found so little "usable" material from 2000 pages. Despite all the changes, things still to seem to be building up to many of the events that closed the books (even though the particulars will be different):

Spoiler:
Stannis and Bolton's forces clashing near Winterfell in the snow, with the backdrop of a princess rescue (perhaps with Theon making his redemption).

Cersei's humiliation, with her turning to her "trump card" provided by her necromancer.

Mutiny at the North Wall against Jon Snow.

Arya going "full assassin" in Bravos.

And I think the season closer will be Drogon crashing the grand reopening of the arena fights in Mereen.

I have no idea where the Dorne stuff is going though ... that's completely off the rails :lol:

slop101 05-25-15 04:31 PM
Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
 
Originally Posted by superdeluxe (Post 12490909)

*Sand snake breasts, Pretty solid, although not sure why she gave the antidote to Bronn? Was it a game to them?
I think it's because she sorta likes him, and also to exercise a bit of power over him.

Cellar Door 05-25-15 05:13 PM
Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
 
Originally Posted by brainee (Post 12491167)
Pretty sure we can't post nudes here :lol:

The character was Tyene Sand played by Rosabell Laurenti Sellers. Looks like most of her filmography has been Italian tv up to now.
I'll bet she's been googled quite a bit since last night. :eyebrow:


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