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Josh-da-man 05-07-19 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by movieguru (Post 13546182)
So in this case did the winner only get $1 for winning the game and 2nd and 3rd place walked away with more money? I guess the winner gets to come back for the opportunity to play again where he will eventually leave with at least $1K or $2K, but it seems odd to win and receive less than those below you.

Wouldn’t surprise me if the winner might also be guaranteed a minimum amount, like $3K or $5K.

joltman 05-07-19 07:53 AM

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Nope, if you win you only get what you had at the end of the game but they get to come back and try to win more money. So it's possible to win a game with <$1000, get in third the next game, and walk home with less than a second place winner would get.
I can't find an official source, but here's one from the Jeopardy subreddit (which is full of former contestants and people that know a lot about the show).

Nefarious 05-07-19 09:23 AM

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"What It's Like to Get Crushed by Jeopardy God James Holzhauer"

https://deadspin.com/what-its-like-t...hol-1834482418

whotony 05-07-19 11:55 PM

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Watching the way James plays makes it that much harder to watch the way these teachers and everyone else plays.
From top to bottom in one cat is so boring.

PhantomStranger 05-08-19 12:27 AM

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I suspect in the wake of his success you will see many more players adopt his style. He's basically the first person to hack the Jeopardy format, but his strategies can be copied by anyone.

He gave an interview today on the MLB Network. He has a cunning, ruthless intelligence you often find in hardened and successful gamblers. He explained how he deconstructed Jeopardy's format from the ground up for maximum success.

He's going to do for Jeopardy what Moneyball did for baseball. Once enough players copy his style, it's going to affect Jeopardy's entertainment value. It may not be for the better in the long run.

grundle 05-20-19 09:48 PM

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kenny79 05-21-19 01:41 AM

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IIRC what Trebek said in that show's intro, JH had the top 12 single-game records -- now 13.

His average game is a little more than $400 above the previous one-day record (Roger Craig's $77,000).

wishbone 05-21-19 07:03 AM

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It seems like more games now have a scoring clarification for answers given. Does the writing staff not consider possiblities like 'display ratio' for a two word phrase along with 'aspect ratio'? Producing ginormous amounts of answers and questions could be a factor but it just seems sloppy for a show of this calibre.

PhantomStranger 05-22-19 01:55 AM

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The contestant that steals the Daily Doubles from him has the best chance at taking him down.

whotony 05-22-19 02:04 AM

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The two their players tried to mimic his style last night. Didn’t help.

sauce07 05-22-19 09:10 AM

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The two players last night looked pissed from the start, they couldn't be happy being in the way of this train.

mphtrilogy 05-22-19 09:18 AM

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The 3rd dude was close, if he had found that daily double, he could have made it a game, of course he has to get it right first...

movieguru 05-22-19 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by kenny79 (Post 13553369)
IIRC what Trebek said in that show's intro, JH had the top 12 single-game records -- now 13.

His average game is a little more than $400 above the previous one-day record (Roger Craig's $77,000).

Are all of his top scores still records if you account for the period of time when the value of each question/answer was only half what it is now? I'm sure they still are, but I wonder if any of the contestants in early Jeopardy history would come close to any of his records.

Red Dog 05-22-19 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by sauce07 (Post 13554045)
The two players last night looked pissed from the start, they couldn't be happy being in the way of this train.

:lol::thumbsup:

I noticed the same thing. Particularly the woman. She looked so bitchy throughout.

I do feel for them though. It's so hard to get on the show and when you finally do, you draw this juggernaut.

wishbone 05-22-19 09:41 AM

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I said, "Lambs for the slaughter," when they were introduced last night. :lol: James got the almost back-to-back Daily Doubles and it's like, "Oh well, we tried," moment.

bunkaroo 05-22-19 11:30 AM

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That dude with the fucked beard was super annoying - seemed like the type of person you'd want to punch in real life. Was glad when the champ put him down.

Shannon Nutt 05-23-19 06:27 AM

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They tried to distract James with a hot school teacher last night. Didn't work. :lol:

joltman 05-23-19 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by movieguru (Post 13554052)
Are all of his top scores still records if you account for the period of time when the value of each question/answer was only half what it is now? I'm sure they still are, but I wonder if any of the contestants in early Jeopardy history would come close to any of his records.

Per The Final Wager, the highest one-day total in the pre-doubled days was Jerome Verod's $34,000, which of course would be the equivalent of $68,000 now. That was in 1992 and wasn't bested until Ken Jennings got $75,000 in 2004.

Red Dog 05-23-19 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Shannon Nutt (Post 13554607)
They tried to distract James with a hot school teacher last night. Didn't work. :lol:

She was damn fine.

wishbone 05-23-19 10:07 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/VAwPwDf.jpg

Canadian Aubrey Plaza ;)

movieguru 05-23-19 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Shannon Nutt (Post 13554607)
They tried to distract James with a hot school teacher last night. Didn't work. :lol:

Yeah, she was a cutie!!

movieguru 05-23-19 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by joltman (Post 13554612)
Per The Final Wager, the highest one-day total in the pre-doubled days was Jerome Verod's $34,000, which of course would be the equivalent of $68,000 now. That was in 1992 and wasn't bested until Ken Jennings got $75,000 in 2004.

Is there a chart that has the pre Trebek eras? They likely don't have all the episodes saved from those days, but I wonder if the winning scores and data was saved from those times. I'm not sure if the show rules were the same back then though. They may not have had the same amount of daily doubles in both segments or the same rules for Final Jeopardy, etc. I know their dollar values were much less, maybe starting out at $10 for the top questions/answers.

JackoOnHisBacko 05-23-19 06:42 PM

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Wow, James isn't in 1st place after the first round today...
He's back in 1st place after the Double Jeopardy round, but it isn't a runaway...
Well, he still won, but that is the best challenge he has faced yet.

Bill Needle 05-23-19 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JackoOnHisBacko (Post 13555050)
Wow, James isn't in 1st place after the first round today...
He's back in 1st place after the Double Jeopardy round, but it isn't a runaway...
Well, he still won, but that is the best challenge he has faced yet.

I've only spot-checked in on his run. Is this the first time he had to get Final Jeopardy correct in order to win?

JackoOnHisBacko 05-23-19 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Needle (Post 13555060)
I've only spot-checked in on his run. Is this the first time he had to get Final Jeopardy correct in order to win?

I don't know the answer to that. It has been a long time, at least.

Mabuse 05-23-19 07:53 PM

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This guy is a machine. Once he’s found the first Daily Double during Double Jeopardy it’s just over. Hes typically like $45,000 and second place has $3,200.

Nick Danger 05-23-19 08:24 PM

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We're rooting for him to lose. That was an exciting game.

I wonder if the producers will call back people for a consolation round. Two of the people that I watched who James had trouble beating were extremely good.

Shannon Nutt 05-24-19 06:28 AM

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That guy that almost beat him looked like a Bond villain. :lol:

joltman 05-24-19 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by movieguru (Post 13554761)
Is there a chart that has the pre Trebek eras? They likely don't have all the episodes saved from those days, but I wonder if the winning scores and data was saved from those times. I'm not sure if the show rules were the same back then though. They may not have had the same amount of daily doubles in both segments or the same rules for Final Jeopardy, etc. I know their dollar values were much less, maybe starting out at $10 for the top questions/answers.

I've never seen anything for pre-Trebek, I don't know if that much data is available for those episodes.


Originally Posted by Bill Needle (Post 13555060)
I've only spot-checked in on his run. Is this the first time he had to get Final Jeopardy correct in order to win?

I'm pretty sure this was the third time. The best known one was where Adam Levin got second place with $54,000.

When they panned to James during Final Jeopardy he looked like he was thinking about it which made me unsure if he was going to get it. I wonder if he purposely does that to make people think he might get it wrong.

mphtrilogy 05-24-19 07:12 AM

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great game, the dude on the right played an almost perfect game , found the daily double first, doubled it, had the lead at the halfway-mark, but went a tad cold when James nailed the geo catgegories... would have been interesting if the final question wasn't a layup

Nick Danger 05-24-19 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by joltman (Post 13555175)
When they panned to James during Final Jeopardy he looked like he was thinking about it which made me unsure if he was going to get it. I wonder if he purposely does that to make people think he might get it wrong.

When I watch James interact with the other contestants, it makes me think that he does his best to make the show more entertaining. I think he's aware that the business model of Jeopardy is to sell advertising time. He does his bit to help out.

Whether he's doing it out of kindness in return to the people who are giving him money, or whether it's naked self-interest to make the producers want to keep him around longer, it's a sensible thing to do. I'm sure he tips well, too.

fujishig 05-24-19 08:30 AM

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Yeah, I definitely think he put on a show for Final, the only thing that makes me doubt that is his monotone delivery when he picks which isn't very showman-like.

RichC2 05-24-19 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Nick Danger (Post 13555190)
When I watch James interact with the other contestants, it makes me think that he does his best to make the show more entertaining. I think he's aware that the business model of Jeopardy is to sell advertising time. He does his bit to help out.

Whether he's doing it out of kindness in return to the people who are giving him money, or whether it's naked self-interest to make the producers want to keep him around longer, it's a sensible thing to do. I'm sure he tips well, too.

I assume the producers want him there as long as possible -- at least until he beats Jennings. When they took a break to do the Teachers' special, the shows ratings dipped 27%.


Without Holzhauer, Jeopardy! dropped 27% from a 14-year high 8.3 live-plus-same-day household ratings average, according to Nielsen Media Research, to a slightly below average 6.1 for the current week. That placed Jeopardy! well behind Judge Judy’s 7.0 but was still good enough for the game lead, tying Debmar-Mercury’s Family Feud at an unchanged 6.1.

Goat3001 05-24-19 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Nick Danger (Post 13555190)
When I watch James interact with the other contestants, it makes me think that he does his best to make the show more entertaining. I think he's aware that the business model of Jeopardy is to sell advertising time. He does his bit to help out.

Whether he's doing it out of kindness in return to the people who are giving him money, or whether it's naked self-interest to make the producers want to keep him around longer, it's a sensible thing to do. I'm sure he tips well, too.

I listened to a podcast recently that interviewed James. He says that the Jeopardy producers tell people to have fun with it and it seems that he's getting more comfortable everyday being on the show. So it seems he's just loosening up a bit. I also don't think he needs to do any of it to get the producers to keep him around longer. He's already a lock for the next Tournament of Champions and if they ever try to do a special episode (like Watson), James will be their first call.

Once the other guy got to the first DD in Double Jeopardy and got it right, I thought James was done. Then he went on an impressive run, including the second DD.

Now that people have caught on to his game more, I think we'll see a lot more closer games. No more betting $2000 on Daily Doubles - only way to win now is to hunt for it and bet big.

wishbone 05-24-19 12:02 PM

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I think James is being a gracious winner. He's laughed or made quick comments when other players tell their intro stories or like this week commented, "Canada schools are doing their job," when Mary got Virginia right on Final Jeopardy. His game play is intimidating enough so why not have some levity on the show. :shrug:

Jeremy517 05-24-19 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by joltman (Post 13555175)
When they panned to James during Final Jeopardy he looked like he was thinking about it which made me unsure if he was going to get it. I wonder if he purposely does that to make people think he might get it wrong.

I don't think so. When he isn't 100% sure of a FJ answer, he writes down what he thinks and then spends the rest of the time thinking of other possibilities.

PhantomStranger 05-24-19 04:11 PM

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He's definitely not unbeatable but you have to come in heavily prepared with trivia knowledge and get lucky by beating him to the daily doubles. James looked a little lost in a couple of those categories yesterday. The daily doubles are what you have to immediately target and keep away from James.

movieguru 05-27-19 07:26 PM

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He scored just over $130K today which is now the second highest one day score in Jeopardy history. He holds 15 of the top 19 one day scores.

OldBoy 05-27-19 08:45 PM

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I thought it was most that he broke his own today. Either way, I never watched jeopardy, but he makes it fun. And I get some too ;)

Jeremy517 05-27-19 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by movieguru (Post 13556439)
He scored just over $130K today which is now the second highest one day score in Jeopardy history. He holds 15 of the top 19 one day scores.

More than that. He has 18 of the top 20, and all of the top 15. Roger Craig has #16, Ken Jennings has #17, and James has the rest.


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