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Big Boy Laroux 04-03-15 11:07 AM

Re: The Flash (S1E17) -- "Tricksters" -- 3/31/15
 

Originally Posted by JasonF (Post 12441269)
I'm not sure there's any practical difference between "Wells is really Eobard Thawne, evil time traveler from the future" and "Eobard Thawne, evil time traveler from the future, killed Wells 15 years before the show began and the Wells we've been watching all season is really Eobard Thawne in disguise."

Agree completely, said the same 2 above your post. He's the only wells we've known as the viewer, so what's it to us?

Nth Power 04-03-15 11:24 AM

Re: The Flash (S1E17) -- "Tricksters" -- 3/31/15
 
Just a guess, but could be to throw people off the scent of Wells being Reverse Flash from the start. Since Eobard is a descendant of Eddie and Wells looks nothing like Eddie. Now that they've shown Eobard's original face, Eobard and Eddie look fairly similar compared to Eddie and Wells.

Draven 04-03-15 12:38 PM

Re: The Flash (S1E17) -- "Tricksters" -- 3/31/15
 

Originally Posted by Big Boy Laroux (Post 12441437)
Agree completely, said the same 2 above your post. He's the only wells we've known as the viewer, so what's it to us?

I think it simply establishes that Wells wasn't always a bad guy/ambiguously motivated guy. Plus it introduces us to a technology that I'm sure will come up again (even if Fringe already did the face-swapping-with-wires tech years ago).

hdnmickey 04-03-15 12:44 PM

Re: The Flash (S1E17) -- "Tricksters" -- 3/31/15
 
I'm sure it will become important that the guy people actually knew as Wells is long dead, and not the actual bad guy that is currently using his image.

So maybe not a true "twist", but certainly not what we were told in every episode before where they were clearly making the actual Wells to have went bad, or was bad from the start.

Big Boy Laroux 04-03-15 02:37 PM

Re: The Flash (S1E17) -- "Tricksters" -- 3/31/15
 

Originally Posted by Draven (Post 12441532)
I think it simply establishes that Wells wasn't always a bad guy/ambiguously motivated guy. Plus it introduces us to a technology that I'm sure will come up again (even if Fringe already did the face-swapping-with-wires tech years ago).

But it's NOT really wells, so why should we care? :)

That character has always been the same person to us, they just changed his name and origin, essentially.

I'm fine with it (because it does certainly explain the blood thing, which will always cast doubt in Barry/Joe's mind that Wells was there in the house that night), just thought it was funny how it's supposed to be some big twist, but in reality... it's just not.

Superman07 04-03-15 05:16 PM

Re: The Flash (S1E17) -- "Tricksters" -- 3/31/15
 
I don't know that they'll go there, but it would be cool if Barry went back to stop original Wells from dying. You'd then have him and his fiance added to the show (I liked her!). He'd be resetting an original timeline.

I don't know if it's a comic thing, although the show must-have touched upon it, are you stuck in the past or can you go so fast you travel to the future?

Also, shouldn't there be 2 Barry's running around??

RocShemp 04-03-15 05:56 PM

Re: The Flash (S1E17) -- "Tricksters" -- 3/31/15
 

Originally Posted by Superman07 (Post 12441798)
I don't know that they'll go there, but it would be cool if Barry went back to stop original Wells from dying. You'd then have him and his fiance added to the show (I liked her!). He'd be resetting an original timeline.

I don't know if it's a comic thing, although the show must-have touched upon it, are you stuck in the past or can you go so fast you travel to the future?

Also, shouldn't there be 2 Barry's running around??

That might happen. The showrunners did say that
Spoiler:
the second time Barry goes back in time, it will have massive repercussions on the show and the status quo of the established characters.

So I think the point of showing us the real Dr. Wells is to prep the viewers for when that character becomes a series regular.

I do wonder if they will also turn Dr. Caitlin Snow into Killer Frost in the new timeline.


And, yes, unless Thawne found and somehow killed him, there should be an older Barry Allen somewhere running around.

RocShemp 04-03-15 06:10 PM

Re: The Flash (S1E17) -- "Tricksters" -- 3/31/15
 
Hey, episode 18,
Spoiler:
All Star Team Up
is directed by Kevin Tancharoen. I hope he gives the episode the same type of flare he showed in season 1 of Mortal Kombat: Legacy. :rock2:

whotony 04-03-15 07:06 PM

Re: The Flash (S1E17) -- "Tricksters" -- 3/31/15
 
^ ^ but Allen or anyone for that matter have no idea that RF has assumed Wells likeness.

RocShemp 04-03-15 08:43 PM

Re: The Flash (S1E17) -- "Tricksters" -- 3/31/15
 

Originally Posted by whotony (Post 12441873)
^ ^ but Allen or anyone for that matter have no idea that RF has assumed Wells likeness.

In the Flash sizzle reel
Spoiler:
it shows that Joe and Detective Lance discover the body of the real Dr. Wells.

actionjackson29 04-03-15 08:58 PM

Re: The Flash (S1E17) -- "Tricksters" -- 3/31/15
 

Originally Posted by That'sAllFolks (Post 12441033)
Have the episodes all been playing in order, because Comcast on-demand is missing ep. 13 and 14.

It's the same on Hulu, several or maybe all CW shows are supposed to have the last five episodes but, they've skipped over a couple episodes in the middle.

whotony 04-03-15 09:27 PM

Re: The Flash (S1E17) -- "Tricksters" -- 3/31/15
 
Yeh, I saw that.

Now I wonder how they figure out who that is.

Spoiler:
Why or what would cause them to test it to see if it is Wells?

Tom Banjo 04-03-15 09:40 PM

Re: The Flash (S1E17) -- "Tricksters" -- 3/31/15
 

Originally Posted by Superman07 (Post 12441798)
Also, shouldn't there be 2 Barry's running around??

I asked that same question last week, never got a response. It really feels like a glaring plot hole that needs an explanation.

whotony 04-03-15 09:48 PM

Re: The Flash (S1E17) -- "Tricksters" -- 3/31/15
 
Maybe he went back to the future.

We were only told RF lost his power and couldn't go back.

randian 04-03-15 10:12 PM

Re: The Flash (S1E17) -- "Tricksters" -- 3/31/15
 

Originally Posted by whotony (Post 12441963)
Maybe he went back to the future.

I presume he didn't because the future headline in Wells' secret room says the Flash is missing.

whotony 04-03-15 10:30 PM

Re: The Flash (S1E17) -- "Tricksters" -- 3/31/15
 
Yes.

I was thinking that refers to after another event and not that specific time when they were both togethter
when Mom was killed.

PhantomStranger 04-04-15 01:03 AM

Re: The Flash (S1E17) -- "Tricksters" -- 3/31/15
 

Originally Posted by randian (Post 12441974)
I presume he didn't because the future headline in Wells' secret room says the Flash is missing.

That is an unrelated event in Flash's history from what we have seen on this show. I don't think we'll see that future newspaper's headlines play out until season 7. It's a type of story best saved for the Flash's final season.;)

whotony 04-04-15 01:07 AM

Re: The Flash (S1E17) -- "Tricksters" -- 3/31/15
 
Yeh that's what I said.

PhantomStranger 04-04-15 01:18 AM

Re: The Flash (S1E17) -- "Tricksters" -- 3/31/15
 
This show is still doing gangbusters in the ratings, for the CW anyway. It is their highest rated show by far and nearly getting the same rating as ABC's Agents of SHIELD, which is a huge win for a CW series.

Superman07 04-04-15 07:39 AM

Re: The Flash (S1E17) -- "Tricksters" -- 3/31/15
 
I actually had meant the other Barry from the 1 day time jump. I wasn't even thinking about the Barry (or other Flash) that was there when Barry's mom was killed.

On that point, his dad seems to know something, because he keeps telling Barry to not look into her murder.

RocShemp 04-04-15 07:50 AM

Re: The Flash (S1E17) -- "Tricksters" -- 3/31/15
 

Originally Posted by Superman07 (Post 12442093)
On that point, his dad seems to know something, because he keeps telling Barry to not look into her murder.

That's because the dad is Barry Allen, Sr. He just started calling himself Henry and named his son Barry. As fate would have it, the fight that would eventually propel him to the past (farther back than when RF was stranded) actually happened near the house he and Nora moved into. And RF set events into motion that would make Barry, Jr. into the Flash.

Spoiler:
I'm just kidding. ;)

The Valeyard 04-04-15 08:43 AM

Re: The Flash (S1E17) -- "Tricksters" -- 3/31/15
 
No no no. The big twist will be Henry DID kill Barry's mom after the Flash/Reverse Flash fight in the house. Once the fight was over and Young Barry was ejected from the house, Henry took the opportunity to take his wife out hoping he could use the mysterious lights as his alibi. Once Barry discovers this, Henry will escape prison and become his worse enemy.

RocShemp 04-04-15 09:07 AM

Re: The Flash (S1E17) -- "Tricksters" -- 3/31/15
 

Originally Posted by The Valeyard (Post 12442122)
No no no. The big twist will be Henry DID kill Barry's mom after the Flash/Reverse Flash fight in the house. Once the fight was over and Young Barry was ejected from the house, Henry took the opportunity to take his wife out hoping he could use the mysterious lights as his alibi. Once Barry discovers this, Henry will escape prison and become his worse enemy.

And... Henry is none other than this universe's version of Black Flash.

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2..._Flash_001.jpg

PhantomStranger 04-04-15 03:03 PM

Re: The Flash (S1E17) -- "Tricksters" -- 3/31/15
 

Originally Posted by RocShemp (Post 12442143)
And... Henry is none other than this universe's version of Black Flash.

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2..._Flash_001.jpg

I hope we get the Black Flash at some point.

slop101 04-04-15 04:14 PM

Re: The Flash (S1E17) -- "Tricksters" -- 3/31/15
 
I always thought he should've been called "Flash, Black" instead.


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