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Gotham (S1E17) -- "Red Hood" -- 2/23/15





GORDON AND BULLOCK UNCOVER THE RED HOOD GANG ON AN ALL-NEW "GOTHAM" MONDAY, FEBRUARY 23, ON FOX

Following several bank robberies, Gordon and Bullock investigate the Red Hood gang. Selina Kyle continues to bond with Barbara, and Fish Mooney tries to reclaim her position in the underworld in the all new "Red Hood" episode of GOTHAM airing Monday, Feb. 23 (8:00-9:00 ET/PT) on FOX. (GTH-117) (TV-14 D, L, V)

Cast: Ben McKenzie as Detective James Gordon, Donal Logue as Harvey Bullock, Jada Pinkett Smith as Fish Mooney, Sean Pertwee as Alfred, Robin Lord Taylor as Oswald Cobblepot/The Penguin, Erin Richards as Barbara Kean, David Mazouz as Bruce Wayne, Camren Bicondova as Selina Kyle/the future Catwoman, Zabryna Guevara as Captain Sarah Essen, Cory Michael Smith as Edward Nygma/the future Riddler, Victoria Cartagena as Renee Montoya, Andrew Stewart Jones as Crispus Allen, John Doman as Carmine Falcone

Guest Cast: Drew Powell as Butch Gilzean; Clare Foley as Ivy Pepper; Sharon Washington as Molly Mathis; David O'Hara as Reggie; Jonny Coyne as Destro; Jenna Gavigan as Manager's Secretary; Takeo Lee Wong as Chaing; Jeffrey Combs as Office Manager


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Old 02-23-15, 09:03 PM
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Re: Gotham (S1E17) -- "Red Hood" -- 2/23/15

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Holy crap Fish craving out her eye was down right sick.

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Re: Gotham (S1E17) -- "Red Hood" -- 2/23/15

The scene with Barbara and the girls was creepy.

I'm guessing they are saving the real Joker reveal for the season finale.
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Re: Gotham (S1E17) -- "Red Hood" -- 2/23/15

The whole fish story line is just... ugh. why the fuck is it there?
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Re: Gotham (S1E17) -- "Red Hood" -- 2/23/15

The only storyline that's working for me is Bruce/Alfred.
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Re: Gotham (S1E17) -- "Red Hood" -- 2/23/15

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The whole fish story line is just... ugh. why the fuck is it there?
Seems to be just a continuing season long thread of the dollmaker.

Loved Cat telling Barbara off.

Didn't really see the ending with Reggie coming.
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Presumably Fish is learning how to break the six to twelve minute barrier. My DVR must've frozen or something, I didn't see that scene with her eye :headscratch:. I'll have to look on Hulu or something.

So Barbara is continuing to feed and clothe the street urchins who've wandered into her apartment for no apparent reason? Where is she getting this money, all she does is sit around and get get high at 9 AM? Yes, that's right, encourage the young sociopaths! Use your budding sexuality as a weapon! Apparently Bullock is one too, evidently he's not phased by dead bodies and violence. The Alfred storyline was really, really good, he's by far the best thing about this show. The final payoff was kind of interesting too, though I knew the instant we saw Reggie that he'd be no good. Probably the best episode yet overall.

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Re: Gotham (S1E17) -- "Red Hood" -- 2/23/15

Thought this episode was excellent but disjointed. Didn't even mind Barbra coming back. Loved that she got told off by Selena. Very creepy of Barbra to tell Selena to use her looks as a weapon. It seemed like she was trying to corrupt her.

Interesting take on the red hood. A bit silly but I liked it.

I'm not sure what removing her own eye did for Fish. Do they need both eyes? Why wouldn't they just take the other one out of spite? Cool scene either way.

So Butch doesn't like Fish now. I'm guessing that is part of his programming. I like the back and forth he had with Penguin.
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Re: Gotham (S1E17) -- "Red Hood" -- 2/23/15

Last week I was thinking Fish was turning into Morlock from the X-Men (yes, Ghost of Taffer, I know that's Marvel and Gotham is DC). When she took her eye out this episode it seemed like she's trying to look like that character even more.
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Re: Gotham (S1E17) -- "Red Hood" -- 2/23/15

I unequivocally love this show. I know people have issues with it but I think it really works. Fish is probably my least favorite arc, but there are so many it just does not seem to matter. Enjoyed seeing the Warden from Alcatraz again. I think there is just the right amount of young Batman.
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Re: Gotham (S1E17) -- "Red Hood" -- 2/23/15

I'm a Batman fan for the last 30 years and I get such a kick out of watching this show. The little nods to the greater mythos they seem to throw in week-by-week give me a little smile or two during each show. Hell, I even like the Fish stuff.

None of the stuff that happens outside of canon bothers me as Elseworlds were invented for Batman. This is just another as far as I'm concerned.
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Out vile jelly!

That was fucked up. I've heard of harvesting organs, but can you transplant body parts onto somebody else?

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Re: Gotham (S1E17) -- "Red Hood" -- 2/23/15

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Out old jelly!

That was fucked up. I've heard of harvesting organs, but can you transplant body parts o to somebody else?
I've heard of hands and faces being transplanted. The Fish eye scene was a bit much - what did she expect to do being there unarmed or being there at all? Consumed by her hutzpah? (sp)
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Re: Gotham (S1E17) -- "Red Hood" -- 2/23/15

Question...at the end, did the board call Reggie.. "Mr. Bane"...or Mr. Pain"?
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Sounded like Payne to me.
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Re: Gotham (S1E17) -- "Red Hood" -- 2/23/15

ahhhh... ok...thought for a little bit there that we were seeing BANE!
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Re: Gotham (S1E17) -- "Red Hood" -- 2/23/15

I thought this was an excellent episode, I wasn't expecting that twist with Reggie. The Fish storyline has been handled oddly, like all of the scenes were filmed apart from the rest of the cast. I wonder if she was slated to die earlier in the season and they decided to keep her around a while longer?

Barbara is definitely becoming a villain.
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I initially thought Barbara was going to have to become Batgirl's mother, but apparently they are steering her towards becoming a villain. As soon as they introduced Reggie, I knew immediately that he was going to be bad guy by the end, though I wouldn't have guessed he'd be working for the Wayne Enterprises board.
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Re: Gotham (S1E17) -- "Red Hood" -- 2/23/15

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I initially thought Barbara was going to have to become Batgirl's mother, but apparently they are steering her towards becoming a villain.
If Jim Gordon named his daughter after her, it would be weird if she was more than a minor villain. I thinking villain, then redemption in a way that justifies naming Gordon's daughter after her.
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So Barbara is continuing to feed and clothe the street urchins who've wandered into her apartment for no apparent reason? Where is she getting this money, all she does is sit around and get get high at 9 AM?
Cat visited the apartment with Jim while he was still with Barbara. Cat and Ivy needed a place to stay later on so they broke in - thats when Jim was at Arkam. Jim got promoted back to his cop job and returned home to find Cat and Ivy there - Jim left - Cat and Ivy stayed. Barbara came back home last episode - rest is history. Not sure why Barbara is letting them stay.

As for the money - her parents are rich - she probably had a huge trust fund which she received at a certain age. (Theres a scene earlier this season of her visiting her parents after that lady girlfriend who is a detective broke up with her again and her parents house was a mansion.)

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Originally Posted by filetminyawn View Post
Question...at the end, did the board call Reggie.. "Mr. Bane"...or Mr. Pain"?
I watch the show via CC and he was called Mr. Payne.
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Re: Gotham (S1E17) -- "Red Hood" -- 2/23/15

I almost didn't recognize Jeffry Combs as a human instead of a star trek alien
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Re: Gotham (S1E17) -- "Red Hood" -- 2/23/15

Originally Posted by hanshotfirst1138 View Post
As soon as they introduced Reggie, I knew immediately that he was going to be bad guy by the end, though I wouldn't have guessed he'd be working for the Wayne Enterprises board.
I strongly suspected it only because they included the board room scene in the opening recap so it was very likely to be relevant this week.
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Re: Gotham (S1E17) -- "Red Hood" -- 2/23/15

Originally Posted by Mok View Post
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Holy crap Fish craving out her eye was down right sick.
I did NOT see that coming.

Originally Posted by Fanboy View Post
I'm a Batman fan for the last 30 years and I get such a kick out of watching this show. The little nods to the greater mythos they seem to throw in week-by-week give me a little smile or two during each show. Hell, I even like the Fish stuff.

None of the stuff that happens outside of canon bothers me as Elseworlds were invented for Batman. This is just another as far as I'm concerned.
Not really bothered by it either as not every Batman or comic story has to follow the comic lineline which is a mess in its own right anyway.
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Re: Gotham (S1E17) -- "Red Hood" -- 2/23/15

Originally Posted by wmansir View Post
I strongly suspected it only because they included the board room scene in the opening recap so it was very likely to be relevant this week.
Which is why I avoid recaps, just as I avoid trailers and commercials.

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