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Emmy rule change: Comedies are limited to half hours, mini series redefined

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Most notably, the TV Academy is defining a comedy as a series with episodes that run 30 minutes or less.
Mini series is now "limited series"
"Limited" is defined as "programs of two or more episodes with a total running time of at least 150 program minutes that tell a complete, non-recurring story and do not have an ongoing storyline and/or main characters in subsequent seasons."
There are also a few other rules changes going on.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...-series-775632

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Re: Emmy rule change: Comedies are limited to half hours, mini series redefined

Would Fargo be disqualified from the "limited series" category? Season 2 is about Lou Solverson in the 1970s. Or was he not considered a "main" character in S1?
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Yeah that's a good question. Another thing is they are expanding the number of awards for series (both comedy and drama) to 7 (not sure how many there are now), so that may be covered under one of those extra categories.
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Re: Emmy rule change: Comedies are limited to half hours, mini series redefined

I would say Fargo would still be limited, b/c while it's the same character it's a different time period and a different actor so it's not exactly an ongoing storyline.
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That's true. And the same can apply to True Detective, since it's about a different group of people. Unless for both shows they somehow consider the underlying themes to be an "ongoing storyline" or some other technicality.
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Re: Emmy rule change: Comedies are limited to half hours, mini series redefined

This seems odd. The only hour long comedy I can think of at the moment is Shameless. Why confine a genre to a time limit?
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Not that there are many hour long comedies but that seems a bit unfair to disqualify shows that could fit in that category. I'm not for certain but I believe the upcoming season of Louie is going to be hour long episodes so I guess it no longer is eligible for an Emmy nomination. Seems dumb to place time constraints on it if you ask me.
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Wow. Well that answers my Better Call Saul eligibility question, doesn't it?
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Re: Emmy rule change: Comedies are limited to half hours, mini series redefined

So are those shows just not eligible for anything? They can't be reclassified as dramas.
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Everything should be eligible for something. They're going to have a total of 7 categories for all series, not sure what they are as of right now.
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Re: Emmy rule change: Comedies are limited to half hours, mini series redefined

Originally Posted by majorjoe23 View Post
This seems odd. The only hour long comedy I can think of at the moment is Shameless. Why confine a genre to a time limit?
I agree. What does runtime have to do with the genre? That seems very arbitrary.
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Re: Emmy rule change: Comedies are limited to half hours, mini series redefined

Originally Posted by majorjoe23 View Post
This seems odd. The only hour long comedy I can think of at the moment is Shameless. Why confine a genre to a time limit?
Orange is the New Black. I agree that the time limit is rather arbitrary, but I think they felt they had to deal with these hour long dramedies.
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Re: Emmy rule change: Comedies are limited to half hours, mini series redefined

Originally Posted by majorjoe23 View Post
This seems odd. The only hour long comedy I can think of at the moment is Shameless. Why confine a genre to a time limit?
In addition to the already mentioned OITNB, I'd also throw in Jane the Virgin.
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Re: Emmy rule change: Comedies are limited to half hours, mini series redefined

Shameless flipped over to this comedy category too, but now back to drama....

Might hurt Macy's chances more than anything else...
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Re: Emmy rule change: Comedies are limited to half hours, mini series redefined

This seems like it was done precisely cause OITN lost Drama at the GG it's 1st season then Producers got smart and put their hat in the Comedy category to ensure easy noms. Also Shameless spent years competiing in Drama to no avail then last year switched to Comedy and William H. Macy got nominated.
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Re: Emmy rule change: Comedies are limited to half hours, mini series redefined

Originally Posted by Mike86 View Post
Not that there are many hour long comedies but that seems a bit unfair to disqualify shows that could fit in that category. I'm not for certain but I believe the upcoming season of Louie is going to be hour long episodes so I guess it no longer is eligible for an Emmy nomination. Seems dumb to place time constraints on it if you ask me.
I agree about the time constraint thing being stupid cause something under 30 minutes like Nurse Jackie is still mostly a drama and Jane The Virgin which is 40 minutes is still a Comedy.

That said if the next season of Louie is anything like it's last it seems putting it in a Drama category would be the most fair thing.
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Re: Emmy rule change: Comedies are limited to half hours, mini series redefined

This is interesting. Shameless, Orange is the New Black, Fargo, Better Call Saul and Lliyhammer are now dramas. Not only that, but last night's hour long finale of "Two and a half Men" is also a drama!
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Re: Emmy rule change: Comedies are limited to half hours, mini series redefined

i thought OITNB was 30 min give or take a minute or 2? or does season 2 expand to 45/60 min
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Re: Emmy rule change: Comedies are limited to half hours, mini series redefined

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i thought OITNB was 30 min give or take a minute or 2? or does season 2 expand to 45/60 min
first season eps were an hour long.
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Re: Emmy rule change: Comedies are limited to half hours, mini series redefined

I bet it was done to emphasize comedy over drama. One thing I've noticed is that shows and actors that win awards for comedy often win for submissions that are more serious episodes or involve more dramatic acting. Hour-long "dramedies" have an unfair advantage over half-hour sitcoms in this regard.

last night's hour long finale of "Two and a half Men" is also a drama!
But it'll be a comedy in syndication!
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Originally Posted by TerryW View Post
They should forget categories all together and just call it Best Scripted Series and put in as many nominations per year as needed.
You do realize that the point of the entire enterprise is to give out awards. Awards, plural.
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Originally Posted by Jadzia View Post
I agree. What does runtime have to do with the genre? That seems very arbitrary.
Arbitrary? It's based on over 60 years of established convention for sit-coms and dramas.

Are there going to be shows that defy the convention? Yes, and those are the exceptions that prove the rule.

For every hour-long show that has an argument to be considered a comedy, there are twenty 30-minute shows that don't make claims to be anything but comedies.

Same thing goes for half-hour (so-called) dramas, except the ratio is more like 30 to 1.
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Originally Posted by Damfino View Post
This is interesting. Shameless, Orange is the New Black, Fargo, Better Call Saul and Lliyhammer are now dramas.
I've watched every episode of Shameless (50+) and I don't think I could identify 50 things that have happened on the show that I would call humorous.

Fargo had many more moments of pure comedy, but the story-lines that drove Fargo were dramatic ones. Even the relationship between Molly and Gus was played straight, not as a rom-com.
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Originally Posted by AaronHernandez View Post
I agree about the time constraint thing being stupid cause something under 30 minutes like Nurse Jackie is still mostly a drama and Jane The Virgin which is 40 minutes is still a Comedy.

That said if the next season of Louie is anything like it's last it seems putting it in a Drama category would be the most fair thing.
I would call Louie more of a dramedy because it borders and can go either way from episode to episode or moment to moment within episodes. I doubt it would ever even get a nomination in the drama category to be honest. It fits more into a comedic category with moments of drama. Better Call Saul May be labeled dark comedy but I think it's fitting more into the drama category and will probably be nominated as such.
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Originally Posted by Mike86 View Post
I would call Louie more of a dramedy because it borders and can go either way from episode to episode or moment to moment within episodes. I doubt it would ever even get a nomination in the drama category to be honest. It fits more into a comedic category with moments of drama.
Why can't everybody just admit that Louie does not fit into any category, and that's probably exactly the way Louie CK wants it. Does anybody think CK is making his show to win trophies anyways?

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