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Old 12-29-14 | 03:22 PM
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I think that was done to introduce the series and increase its visibility. If I remember correctly, they aired it on Friday or Saturday nights. Fox was hoping they could get another prime-time cartoon on the air like The Simpsons, but it was always intended for children. It just happened to find a much older audience due to its sheer quality.
According to Wikipedia Fox ran it in prime-time on Sundays from December of 1992 until March of 1993.
Old 12-29-14 | 04:46 PM
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I would love to see DC Animation give Batman and Superman a 2-3 year rest.
Old 12-30-14 | 12:23 AM
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I would love to see DC Animation give Batman and Superman a 2-3 year rest.
We haven't had a solo animated Superman show in years. They probably should put Batman on the sidelines for a couple of years, but I don't think that will happen. He's simply too popular and his merchandise sells.
Old 12-30-14 | 01:51 PM
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There's not really a good reason to not use Batman in DCAU shows or films at this point. He's popular and his merchandise sells. Plus on top of that the shows or films based around him or his universe tend to be good for the most part. Some are better than others but I would say overall that shows or films based on the Batman universe tend to be some of DCAU's best output.
Old 12-30-14 | 11:04 PM
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There's not really a good reason to not use Batman in DCAU shows or films at this point. He's popular and his merchandise sells. Plus on top of that the shows or films based around him or his universe tend to be good for the most part. Some are better than others but I would say overall that shows or films based on the Batman universe tend to be some of DCAU's best output.
I've been hoping for an animated Flash series since forever.
Old 12-30-14 | 11:10 PM
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I've been hoping for an animated Flash series since forever.
If the upcoming Flash movie does well you might just get your wish. (Although I was always a big GL fan, and that didn't last).
Old 12-31-14 | 02:14 PM
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I hope that with the next shows from DCAU they ditch the CG animation style that was used on Green Lantern and Beware the Batman. I don't completely hate it but I much prefer traditional animation.
Old 01-01-15 | 01:46 AM
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I hope that with the next shows from DCAU they ditch the CG animation style that was used on Green Lantern and Beware the Batman. I don't completely hate it but I much prefer traditional animation.
I am not sure if traditional animation will be coming back on a non-Bruce Timm show. I like it far better as well but apparently normal, hand-drawn animation doesn't test very well these days with children under 10.

I think CG animation has basically ruined the style of several newer cartoons, including both recent Star Wars' ones.
Old 01-01-15 | 07:14 AM
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I hope that with the next shows from DCAU they ditch the CG animation style that was used on Green Lantern and Beware the Batman. I don't completely hate it but I much prefer traditional animation.
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I am not sure if traditional animation will be coming back on a non-Bruce Timm show. I like it far better as well but apparently normal, hand-drawn animation doesn't test very well these days with children under 10.

I think CG animation has basically ruined the style of several newer cartoons, including both recent Star Wars' ones.
The reason I could never get into the Green Lantern series was because I couldn't get past the fact that it was a CGI cartoon.
Old 01-01-15 | 09:12 AM
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I am not sure if traditional animation will be coming back on a non-Bruce Timm show. I like it far better as well but apparently normal, hand-drawn animation doesn't test very well these days with children under 10.

I think CG animation has basically ruined the style of several newer cartoons, including both recent Star Wars' ones.
Is there a recent Bruce Timm show without CGI? Because wasn't GL a Timm show?
Old 01-01-15 | 10:43 AM
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Is there a recent Bruce Timm show without CGI? Because wasn't GL a Timm show?
GL is the only recent Bruce Timm show that he's done. The others that have come out had almost no involvement from him.
Old 01-02-15 | 12:04 AM
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The reason I could never get into the Green Lantern series was because I couldn't get past the fact that it was a CGI cartoon.
I used to be like that. But I have come to realize were fighting a losing battle and you just have to go with the flow.
Old 01-02-15 | 01:01 AM
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I never bothered watching Green Lantern, and one of the reasons is that the animation didn't really appeal to me.

Just give me a basic 2D animated show like Justice League or Young Justice and put it on a decent hour and channel so I know when it's airing and i'd be happy
Old 01-02-15 | 10:33 AM
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I never bothered watching Green Lantern, and one of the reasons is that the animation didn't really appeal to me.

Just give me a basic 2D animated show like Justice League or Young Justice and put it on a decent hour and channel so I know when it's airing and i'd be happy
Green Lantern worked really well as CG because it was set in space. Give it a shot. It's a great show in general. Beware the Batman probably could have gone either way.
Old 01-02-15 | 10:35 AM
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Re: What happened to DC animation?

The other thing with GL is that it started off poorly, but got really good at the end of season one and was great in season two.
Old 01-02-15 | 01:27 PM
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Green Lantern only had one production season, though I think Cartoon Network split it up into two chunks of episodes. The show got far better after a sluggish start. The final arc is almost touching, especially for a cartoon aimed at children on CN. It is available on Blu-ray from Warner Archive in great A/V quality.

Another show that got killed when its toys didn't sell. I will be honest and mention the CG animation looked off, though it wasn't as bad as Beware the Batman. They tried to take Timm's hand-drawn character designs and translate that to CG for GL. I have yet to see a weekly cartoon series with CG designs look particularly good.
Old 01-04-15 | 05:38 PM
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GL was doomed by the movie, I think. There wasn't even a toyline for it, mainly because there were still plenty of unsold movie toys warming pegs.

That being said, even Beware the Batman didn't have that many toys for it. Heck, stuff like Marvel's Avengers Assemble doesn't have that many toys dedicated to it. I don't think toy sales factor that much into it, unless you consider Cartoon Network's bias for shows that it owns the licensing to (like the seemingly endless Ben 10 shows).
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Not entirely true. Young Justice was not a significant toy mover for DC. Pretty sure that was ultimately what doomed the show.
Are toys still that big of a factor? I really don't notice toys being advertised like they use to. Then again, I'm exactly watching shows that would show toy ads, so maybe I'm just missing them.
Old 01-04-15 | 09:01 PM
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GL was doomed by the movie, I think. There wasn't even a toyline for it, mainly because there were still plenty of unsold movie toys warming pegs.

That being said, even Beware the Batman didn't have that many toys for it. Heck, stuff like Marvel's Avengers Assemble doesn't have that many toys dedicated to it. I don't think toy sales factor that much into it, unless you consider Cartoon Network's bias for shows that it owns the licensing to (like the seemingly endless Ben 10 shows).
That is actually exactly what happened with GL. There are some prototypes out there for a toy line so one was in the planning stages but retailers didn't buy it because of the movie toys not selling.

Beware the Batman I think was also done in by YJ toys not selling all that well.

Are toys still that big of a factor? I really don't notice toys being advertised like they use to. Then again, I'm exactly watching shows that would show toy ads, so maybe I'm just missing them.
Yes they still are. Power Rangers is only really around because the toys always sell well, and Nickelodeon bout Ninja Turtles mainly because its a merchandising bonanza.
Old 01-05-15 | 01:37 PM
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Networks make far more money on a hot toy line or brand than five hit shows. Which is why the toys are so important.
Old 01-05-15 | 02:00 PM
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Does CN make money off of, say, YJ toys? Isn't that mainly DC/Mattel? Or do they cofund the show or something?
Old 01-05-15 | 05:12 PM
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Does CN make money off of, say, YJ toys? Isn't that mainly DC/Mattel? Or do they cofund the show or something?
Depends on how the contract is written. In the case of GL it's basically like this. Cartoon Network pays WB a licensing fee in order to air the show. If WB sets their fee too high then the show possibly won't air if CN either can't pay that much or doesn't think its worth that much. So if WB drops their fee how do they make extra money off the property? Toys. Shirts. Lunchboxes etc. When GL wasn't a huge ratings hit stuff like that could have kept it on the air.

Now say CN has a property that they own. It makes sense to push that because they can keep all revenue from ad sales and merchandising sales. So if they have to choose between something they own or say Thundercats Thundercats will get tossed.
Old 01-05-15 | 06:23 PM
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Re: What happened to DC animation?

Originally Posted by shadokitty
The reason I could never get into the Green Lantern series was because I couldn't get past the fact that it was a CGI cartoon.
I used to feel the same way but the GL season was pretty good. I just hated that they went with the "kid friendly" CGI.
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All the DC shows do pretty well in the ratings. Some of them don't sell toys, however.

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