The Walking Dead (S5E04) -- "Slabtown" -- 11/02/14
11-04-14 | 02:03 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead (S5E04) -- "Slabtown" -- 11/02/14
A pretty decent episode IMO, even if it was predictable. It played like a tribute to Romero's "Day of the Dead" with the tension between the two sub-groups: Military = Police, Scientist = Medical
11-04-14 | 03:50 PM
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11-04-14 | 04:03 PM
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11-04-14 | 04:47 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead (S5E04) -- "Slabtown" -- 11/02/14
Watching the hospital would give them no clue as to what is happening in there unless they watched it for weeks (again, TIME!). They would have only seen people being taken in. For all they know, there are more cannibals inside. They would have NO reason to believe Beth is alive. At best they saw Joan try to escape, but I doubt she made it outside. Terrible theory, unless ...
If they catch Noah on his way out, then they would have some intel. However, this theory is again fucked by TIME!
If they catch Noah on his way out, then they would have some intel. However, this theory is again fucked by TIME!
1-Daryl/Carol see the car with the + sign (most likely Joan is inside)
2-They follow it to the hospital
3-They watch the hospital/see Joan get taken in
4-They see Beth and Noah making their escape
5-Noah gets out/they talk to him & find out whats going on inside.
6-Carol purposely gets taken in to get Beth out.
7-Daryl goes back to the church with Noah (who is the one Daryl tells to 'come out')
They would only be watching the hospital for a short time as it seemed the time between Joan was taken in and the time Beth/Noah escaped was only a matter of a few days.
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11-04-14 | 06:12 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead (S5E04) -- "Slabtown" -- 11/02/14
Wait, wasn't Joan in the hospital already? Doubtful she escaped far enough to be in the car Daryl and Carol saw. Other than that, no issue with the theory. Doesn't have to be weeks.
11-04-14 | 06:59 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead (S5E04) -- "Slabtown" -- 11/02/14
Obviously you should've read my entire post (i mentioned Noah got out and Daryl/Carol got their intel from him) before calling it 'terrible'. I'll explain again....
1-Daryl/Carol see the car with the + sign (most likely Joan is inside)
2-They follow it to the hospital
3-They watch the hospital/see Joan get taken in
4-They see Beth and Noah making their escape
5-Noah gets out/they talk to him & find out whats going on inside.
6-Carol purposely gets taken in to get Beth out.
7-Daryl goes back to the church with Noah (who is the one Daryl tells to 'come out')
They would only be watching the hospital for a short time as it seemed the time between Joan was taken in and the time Beth/Noah escaped was only a matter of a few days.
1-Daryl/Carol see the car with the + sign (most likely Joan is inside)
2-They follow it to the hospital
3-They watch the hospital/see Joan get taken in
4-They see Beth and Noah making their escape
5-Noah gets out/they talk to him & find out whats going on inside.
6-Carol purposely gets taken in to get Beth out.
7-Daryl goes back to the church with Noah (who is the one Daryl tells to 'come out')
They would only be watching the hospital for a short time as it seemed the time between Joan was taken in and the time Beth/Noah escaped was only a matter of a few days.
11-04-14 | 07:02 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead (S5E04) -- "Slabtown" -- 11/02/14
According to this timeline page,
Day +507
Beth is abducted by Atlanta Police Officers working out of Grady Memorial Hospital in the night.
Day +509
Beth awakes at Grady Memorial Hospital
Day +511
Terminus... Carol investigates, sees that her friends are in trouble, and rescues them.
Day +512
Daryl identifies a white cross on the back windshield and knows that these are the same people who took Beth. He and Carol immediately take off in their car in pursuit.
Day +513
That night, while guarding the church door, Michonne investigates a noise in the trees and Daryl emerges, seemingly alone. When asked where Carol is, he turns and says into the trees, "Come on out" to someone unknown.
So if we assume Daryl is with Noah in the above event, the escape attempt happens either day 512 or 513. I'd go with day 513, since it is daytime. Theorizing that Daryl and Carol actually witnessed the attempt, saw Beth was alive and got recaptured, and intercepted Noah on his way out... they formulate a plan. Carol could be captured before or after Daryl takes Noah back to the camp. Before is more likely, as I don't get the feeling Beth wasted a lot of time between her recapture and her scissor plan.
This would mean that this episode took place over 4 days. I get the point about the nursing skills, but if it's just a few routine tasks like administering meds I think she could get by. Keep in mind she stayed back as a caregiver for the longest time and surely had a large hand in taking care of Hershel after his leg was amputated and probably already had experience giving him pain killer shots and whatnot.
Day +507
Beth is abducted by Atlanta Police Officers working out of Grady Memorial Hospital in the night.
Day +509
Beth awakes at Grady Memorial Hospital
Day +511
Terminus... Carol investigates, sees that her friends are in trouble, and rescues them.
Day +512
Daryl identifies a white cross on the back windshield and knows that these are the same people who took Beth. He and Carol immediately take off in their car in pursuit.
Day +513
That night, while guarding the church door, Michonne investigates a noise in the trees and Daryl emerges, seemingly alone. When asked where Carol is, he turns and says into the trees, "Come on out" to someone unknown.
So if we assume Daryl is with Noah in the above event, the escape attempt happens either day 512 or 513. I'd go with day 513, since it is daytime. Theorizing that Daryl and Carol actually witnessed the attempt, saw Beth was alive and got recaptured, and intercepted Noah on his way out... they formulate a plan. Carol could be captured before or after Daryl takes Noah back to the camp. Before is more likely, as I don't get the feeling Beth wasted a lot of time between her recapture and her scissor plan.
This would mean that this episode took place over 4 days. I get the point about the nursing skills, but if it's just a few routine tasks like administering meds I think she could get by. Keep in mind she stayed back as a caregiver for the longest time and surely had a large hand in taking care of Hershel after his leg was amputated and probably already had experience giving him pain killer shots and whatnot.
11-04-14 | 09:59 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead (S5E04) -- "Slabtown" -- 11/02/14
According to this timeline page
11-04-14 | 11:01 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead (S5E04) -- "Slabtown" -- 11/02/14
I guess the question is this: is that timeline based on any actual visual cues or dialogue? Or is written to support the apparently screwed up timeline we are nitpicking?
11-05-14 | 07:10 AM
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Re: The Walking Dead (S5E04) -- "Slabtown" -- 11/02/14
I don't see what there is to nitpick.
It's not like the group was in Terminus long - I got the strong impression that they were taken from the boxcar the same day they were put in (next day, at most).
Seems pretty clear that Beth was in the hospital for 5-6 days.
It's not like the group was in Terminus long - I got the strong impression that they were taken from the boxcar the same day they were put in (next day, at most).
Seems pretty clear that Beth was in the hospital for 5-6 days.
11-05-14 | 09:09 AM
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Re: The Walking Dead (S5E04) -- "Slabtown" -- 11/02/14
I don't dispute that the stay in Terminus was short, just the idea that Daryl was with the Claimers for just 2.5 to 3 days. It seemed longer to me because he was accepted into their group by the time they ran across Rick's group, and I think him being accepted would've taken more than just a couple of days.
11-05-14 | 09:46 AM
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Re: The Walking Dead (S5E04) -- "Slabtown" -- 11/02/14
Steven was freaked out because Dawn wasn't interested in saving the patient until the other cop whispered in her ear. Dawn then gave Steven the stink eye and suddenly became very adamant that the patient be saved. Since the Bad Cops were going through the wallets of everyone they "saved", it's clear that they learned he was a doctor the same way Beth had.
What tipped Steven over from "worried" to "homicidal" was Gorman's threats. It became very clear that his days were numbered if the Bad Cops had another, less insubordinate doctor at hand.
What tipped Steven over from "worried" to "homicidal" was Gorman's threats. It became very clear that his days were numbered if the Bad Cops had another, less insubordinate doctor at hand.
11-05-14 | 09:54 AM
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Re: The Walking Dead (S5E04) -- "Slabtown" -- 11/02/14
I don't dispute that the stay in Terminus was short, just the idea that Daryl was with the Claimers for just 2.5 to 3 days. It seemed longer to me because he was accepted into their group by the time they ran across Rick's group, and I think him being accepted would've taken more than just a couple of days.
The timeline is likely based on the minimum number of days observed, based on nights and days observed during the show. It's possible Daryl stayed a day longer with the group, but with the way the stories interconnected, you'd likely have to ad a day somewhere to every story from last season, and it'd probably get convoluted to do so.
11-05-14 | 10:00 AM
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Re: The Walking Dead (S5E04) -- "Slabtown" -- 11/02/14
Unless it was a doctor who Steven already had some previous animosity towards, it still seems to me that another doctor there would be united with him against Gorman and Dawn. And why not kill just Gorman instead? As a doctor, Steven would have some pretty good ideas on how to do that.
Killing Gorman might make sense, but Steven seemed cowardly, since he didn't kill the doctor himself. Also, Dawn may enact some sort of "justice" on Steven for killing Gorman. Remember that Dawn didn't necessarily like what Gorman did, but she allowed it because she felt Gorman was more valuable than he was a risk. Plus Dawn may feel that Steven killing Gorman was a risk to her leadership, since it would be saying that Steven was "above" her rules in a way. So she could either punish or kill Steven to make a point, especially if he was no longer the only doctor.
11-05-14 | 01:10 PM
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The other doctor might've been on Steven's side, but if they kill Steven anyway, what could that doctor do? He could refuse to work, but then he'd be of no use and in risk of being killed himself. And he'd end up being in the same position Steven is, as the only doctor and only kept around as long as he's both useful and not replaceable.
Killing Gorman might make sense, but Steven seemed cowardly, since he didn't kill the doctor himself. Also, Dawn may enact some sort of "justice" on Steven for killing Gorman. Remember that Dawn didn't necessarily like what Gorman did, but she allowed it because she felt Gorman was more valuable than he was a risk. Plus Dawn may feel that Steven killing Gorman was a risk to her leadership, since it would be saying that Steven was "above" her rules in a way. So she could either punish or kill Steven to make a point, especially if he was no longer the only doctor.
Killing Gorman might make sense, but Steven seemed cowardly, since he didn't kill the doctor himself. Also, Dawn may enact some sort of "justice" on Steven for killing Gorman. Remember that Dawn didn't necessarily like what Gorman did, but she allowed it because she felt Gorman was more valuable than he was a risk. Plus Dawn may feel that Steven killing Gorman was a risk to her leadership, since it would be saying that Steven was "above" her rules in a way. So she could either punish or kill Steven to make a point, especially if he was no longer the only doctor.
Steven might have a long time to wait before he got a chance to work on Gorman. And between the tone of Gorman's threats and the other cops' actions when the new doc was brought in, replacing Steven was something the leadership had discussed before, so even if he could remove Gorman it would not remove the threat against him. Remember - the other female cop whispered to Dawn that the new guy was a doctor; if no threat to Steven was intended, it would have been something she could have spoken out loud.
11-05-14 | 01:33 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead (S5E04) -- "Slabtown" -- 11/02/14
Dawn didn't seem like a very believable boss/person in charge. The scope of the hospital seemed weird to me, as though there should have been a lot more people working then they actually showed on screen.
11-05-14 | 01:47 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead (S5E04) -- "Slabtown" -- 11/02/14
I don't think they thought through the hospital set-up very well. Going off the picture, I think we were supposed to believe that Dawn was second-in-command at one point with her boyfriend/husband as boss. There was so little context provided, it forced the viewer to guess at their background.
11-05-14 | 02:51 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead (S5E04) -- "Slabtown" -- 11/02/14
Yeah the entire hospital is odd. It is hard to believe Dawn could stay in power for more than a day. She isn't nice enough to be respected or ruthless enough to be feared. And for the hospital itself I have no idea if there are 10 people living there or 100. It is presented in such a way to suggest it is a good sized community but we only seen 10 different people at the most.
11-05-14 | 06:08 PM
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Yeah the entire hospital is odd. It is hard to believe Dawn could stay in power for more than a day. She isn't nice enough to be respected or ruthless enough to be feared. And for the hospital itself I have no idea if there are 10 people living there or 100. It is presented in such a way to suggest it is a good sized community but we only seen 10 different people at the most.
On top of that, it's incredibly naive of her to think that someone is coming to rescue them. That's what someone would think in Season 1, but at a time like this?
11-05-14 | 11:28 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead (S5E04) -- "Slabtown" -- 11/02/14
I don't think they thought through the hospital set-up very well. Going off the picture, I think we were supposed to believe that Dawn was second-in-command at one point with her boyfriend/husband as boss. There was so little context provided, it forced the viewer to guess at their background.
I enjoyed this episode. Rapey-husband guy was a bit over the top, and so was Dawn randomly hitting Beth, but the concept was solid.
Put me on the side that doesn't want to just see the core group all of the time, I like these side stories if they fit in alright.
Seeing the look on Beth's face when they wheeled in Carol was awesome.
I'm on the side of Daryl and Carol following the car and this being a plot.
11-06-14 | 07:24 AM
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Re: The Walking Dead (S5E04) -- "Slabtown" -- 11/02/14
Good episode.
1. Daryl and Carol followed the car.
2. Carol may or may not have purposely gotten kidnapped.
3. People may or may not have died by the time they meet up with Rick and Co. Daryl looked flustered. I'm thinking that Carol or Beth don't make it.
From the previews, I don't think we get an answer next week. It looks to be a show with Abraham and the others on the road. It's hard to say if they could be involved in the hospital plot.
1. Daryl and Carol followed the car.
2. Carol may or may not have purposely gotten kidnapped.
3. People may or may not have died by the time they meet up with Rick and Co. Daryl looked flustered. I'm thinking that Carol or Beth don't make it.
From the previews, I don't think we get an answer next week. It looks to be a show with Abraham and the others on the road. It's hard to say if they could be involved in the hospital plot.
11-10-14 | 10:29 AM
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Re: The Walking Dead (S5E04) -- "Slabtown" -- 11/02/14
As someone who's worst nightmare is losing a limb, I really could've gone without that fucking terrifying amputation scene. Shudder. Anyway, this episode did kind of feel like it veered off track; we've been watching w completely different set of characters in the main narrative and now we branch off here? I guess you could argue that it's kind of novelistic and the various narrative strands could all come back together later, but it does feel a little odd. This kind of feels like Woodbury again. It looks like in each of the various pockets of civilization they encounter, there's someone running a small mini-society in a rather dark way, but with supply advantages for the citizens. Presumably we're chronologically jumping backwards because the end of last week had Daryl and Carol returning to Rick's camp? I was under the assumption that the other patient Beth helped escape would meet Daryl outside and connect the plot threads. As usual, the human horror is even more gruesome than the zombies, and the draconian lady running things is doing it for "the greater good." Surely everyone has accepted by now that civilization has broken down and no one is coming to help? Apparently not.
