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Doubt it. Those tend to belong to the family more than the person.

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I don't recall him being buried with it. Given how few valaryian swords there are, and house lannister just recently receiving their first 2 (from the melted down stark sword), I doubt tywin is going to just bury one.

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And he certainly wouldn't be happy to learn that Jaime just gave the other one away.

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ok, because it seems like they are really trying to set up her and her baby not being safe that's why I thought it may have been taken (off screen) and brought back

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Getting past the Wall is no easy feat.

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It was fun reading my FB feed for people losing their minds over tonight's episode, and how they were cluless about anything going on in the 2nd half of tonight's episode. Welcome to my world. #neverreadthebooks

Re: Game of Thrones -- "Oathkeeper" -- 4/27/14
 

I learned to stop comparing it to the books after 1 episode.

The very last scene was effin crazy though.

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Rasputin, apparently.

Disappointed in the casting of Ser Pounce. This bum shouldn't even rate a SAG card. Was Salem not available, or is he too old now?

Everything else was awesome. Best episode of the Season...everything flowed perfectly the way Season One episodes did. Nothing forced; great segues from one scene to next scene...really nicely done).

Didn't care much for 'newly-created' scenes in earlier seasons (especially the "Talisa"/Robb scenes) but loved the new stuff here. So well-done that it actually had me trying to remember whether some parts were in the books (didn't remember any of the north of the wall material; glad to see from posts here that it wasn't just faulty memory). My only reservation is having Jon & Co. on the way to Craster's Keep where Bran & Co. are prisoners (seems a bit too coincidental for a series that avoids such melodramatic flourishes (when things happen like Arya & the Hound running across the thugs carrying Needle, it doesn't raise eyebrows). Still, this strong writing is a good sign for those of us wondering how the show would carry on if Martin doesn't come through on schedule.

Even though I've read the books (so far), really looking forward to seeing each of the subplots depicted this episode. Nice to see "new" material that will be fresh to readers. Exciting times ahead!

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[Aside...apologies if this has been posted elsewhere or in book thread]

Current issue of Rolling Stone has a feature on Kit Harrington (bit disappointing; like most young actors, he can't go two sentences without everything being f-ing this & f-ing that; most interesting part to me was how they have to be careful when "dirtying-up" his hair so that it doesn't look like he's sporting Jeri Curl). One funny thing was when the interviewer mentioned him possibly playing the part for eight or nine years when the producers still maintain a seven-season run. Also didn't take into account that no one is safe on GoT...not the Starks, Dany, Tyrion, or the dragons.

However...there's also a long (six pages, I believe) interview with GRRM. In it, he confirms two things that probably everyone else here already knew:

1) He originally planned SOIAF as a trilogy...no surprise since Storm builds to such an exciting climax and ties up so many plot lines that it seem apparent that it was leading to a big finish. Also explains a lot of the meandering done in the last two books...seems that the first three were tightly plotted and just leaped out of his brain onto the page (which is why all three were published withing 5 years), while the next bits seem to be a bit unfocused and unsure of where to go.

2) He's placing way too much importance on the remainder of the saga, and this has resulted in the delay. He says as much (don't have the article in front of me so will just paraphrase) when he states that the fact that millions of readers (and now viewers) are hanging on every word is weighing upon him and slowing him down. It's like he could write the first three freely, but now he acts as though the saga is sacred writ.
If that's truly the case, then it's too bad that he couldn't have produced the entire saga before releasing them. Now that he's the Grand Poohbah of epic fantasy, he acts as though he's waiting for the perfect words to complete his masterpiece (if that's the case, he can quite worrying since most readers consider Feast & Dance to be flawed already).

Re: Game of Thrones -- "Oathkeeper" -- 4/27/14
 

When did Bran and company get past the wall?

Re: Game of Thrones -- "Oathkeeper" -- 4/27/14
 

That was my view as well. I read the books over a year ago, finishing the last published one. I was scratching my head a bit trying to remember that stuff.. I thought to myself, how could I not remember this as its unfolding on the screen and was well done. Glad to see it wasn't a case of faulty memory either.

It kind of feels nice having new things shown.. Don't get me wrong, I still find the show highly enjoyable.. even knowing the major plot points since I read the boos.. Part of what I like is that even if I know what is coming up, its fun to see it visually on the screen and how they envisioned the scene compared to what I had in my mind when I was reading.

Re: Game of Thrones -- "Oathkeeper" -- 4/27/14
 

Am I the only one who spent most of last night's episode waiting for the rest of TORCHWOOD to show up? :)

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Aha..... that's where that guy was from. I was trying to figure it out last night as I told myself that he looked familiar.

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Great episode last night!

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Yeah excellent stuff this episode. The whole season has been incredible so far IMO now that we've moved on from most of the season 1 storylines that wrapped up in season 3. All of the bigger arcs that were sort of broiling in the background are now front and center and I love it.

Dany's parts this episode were brutal. I didn't read the books, but the way her past has influenced the direction she is moving as Khaleesi is somewhat worrisome. Her righteous zeal seems like it could get the better of her as her army and power grows.

Loved the scene with Littlefinger and Sansa as well, although I'm not sure why he so openly revealed his involvement to her. I mean, Sansa won't shed any tears for Joffrey but she doesn't trust him at all either. I'm curious what he has planned for her.

Glad we got confirmation of who was involved in the plot though. I love the Tyrels - I was really worried when Margery visited young Tommen in his chambers (after laughing at the boar head Joffrey shot through with his crossbow), thought she was going to steal his innocence, but she just planted the seed.

Re: Game of Thrones -- "Oathkeeper" -- 4/27/14
 

Also Pacific Rim correct?

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The trilogy he originally envisioned isn't the first three books. It's the whole saga. Books two and three are probably roughly what he envisioned as the second book. But it's not as if he wrote three books, then said "I told my original story, but let me tack on four or five more books."

The problem with books 4 and 5 is that Martin had initially intended to skip over that time period, and pick up the story about 5 years after the events in book 3. However, when he started to write, he realized that wouldn't work and he needed to cover the actual events in detail. Working through that has taken time (in particular, he's said he had real problems with one character -- he knew that character ended Book 3 at Point A and he knew he wanted that character at Point B, but showing how the character got from A to B has been a lot trickier than he anticipated).

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At times, it seems like she's showing her age and inexperience... Her advisers gave her a line of action that would benefit a ruler.. Her emotions got the better of her after seeing the bodies of the children marking the miles on her way to Mereen. Though I will say that the scenes she is in are often very well done. The punishment she gave the masters was brutal and befitting what they did to the slave children.

Another scene that was well done. I would have to guess that Littlefinger sees Sansa as a representation of Catlyn Stark who he pined over and never had. He definitely seems to want Sansa but is choosing not to act now since she's still not an adult?

Margery's reaction to her grandmothers revelation was well done and showed she had no idea that her own family would do such a thing. True, she does benefit from it as she won't be stuck with a sadistic monster in Joffery, but at the same time it delayed her transition to Queen and holder of power. Her visit to Tommen was a result of her grandmothers speech imploring her to help shape the future king. Cersei definitely wants to keep extra influence away.. It'll be interesting to watch going forward to see how it unfolds.

Haven't seen Pacific Rim, so I only recognize him from Torchwood.

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I thought this was a really good episode. The only thing I didn't really like was explaining how Joffrey was killed. I don't think they could have made it more clearer in that episode, but to come back and explicitly tell the audience two episodes later makes it seem like they think the audience is so dumb that they couldn't figure it out.

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Totally agree, I was thinking, I don't remember any of this, but I loved it. I know many were going nuts in social/twitter etc about all the changes, but for the TV show I LOVED it. Awesome seeing surprises like this.

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I took it more as explanation to characters who couldn't figure it out (Margery didn't know Littlefinger's side, Sansa didn't know Oleanna's side). But since the audience knows both sides, it's clear to us. I thought they handled it quite well.

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End of last season. His group ran into Sam and Gilly, at what Sam referred to as a "sort of a secret 'Sally' tunnel that most of the brothers of the Night's Watch don't know about" at one of the abandoned castles that line the wall. By the time this season has started, they were already on the other side.

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Did you read the books? I don't see how it was obvious, because the show plays it like a whodunnit. The following episode has characters speculating on who did it. My friends were all confused until the reveal in episode 4.

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I haven't read the books so I don't know how it plays out there but I thought they made it very obvious that the poison came from the necklace and that Olenna grabbed the poison. You might not have seen it on the first viewing but if you look back at it, they didn't really try to hide anything. The only thing you didn't know was Littlefinger's involvement, which was revealed in the next episode.

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I'm a little confused. Margery and Sansa weren't told about the others involved. Margery only knows that Olenna had something to do with the murder and Sansa only knows of her, Dontos, and Littlefinger's involvement.