Mad Men -- "A Day's Work" -- 4/20/14
04-22-14, 11:58 AM
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Re: Mad Men -- "A Day's Work" -- 4/20/14
I am surprised at how many people think the Bert thing was out of line. It sounds like it's more people not wanting to believe his character would do something like that. I think it was very much in character for the time as others have stated.
Running that ad in the earlier season didn't eradicate the racism of the people of the time. There are different subtleties of racism and I think especially of that time people were ignorant that they were sometimes committing it. I don't think it changes Bert's character or motives at all but instead drives home the point that racism can take many forms no matter how well intentioned or justified people think it is.
I think MikahC's response earlier in this thread was really spot on.
Running that ad in the earlier season didn't eradicate the racism of the people of the time. There are different subtleties of racism and I think especially of that time people were ignorant that they were sometimes committing it. I don't think it changes Bert's character or motives at all but instead drives home the point that racism can take many forms no matter how well intentioned or justified people think it is.
I think MikahC's response earlier in this thread was really spot on.
04-22-14, 12:53 PM
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I thought the race issue handling (and Bert's comments) were spot on, as was Joan's frustration with the situation. Part of the difficulty in righting wrongs is that you're often addressing wrongs you have little to do with creating. Neither Bert nor that firm are responsible for prevailing racial attitudes. Bert isn't saying he doesn't want to see a black lady up front because he doesn't want to see black ladies. But he's right to worry that his clients (and/or potential clients) might not. That's just being a practical businessman and Bert is that (which is why he didn't care who Don was).
Unfortunately, if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. The episode did a good job of showing a type of oppression/harassment of the black women pretty much only because of their skin color, even though there was no active intent by those involved to do so. And that's real racism (affecting their ability to do their job and potentially earn a living). Not the "racism" of a random person calling someone the N-word but otherwise having no ability to affect that person's life.
IMO, people confuse prejudice, bigotry, etc. with racism all the time, and I think this show got it right. It's not cool if Archie Bunker calls someone the N word or has other "racist" opinions and language, but the real impact is minimal in this day and age. I'd suspect it's far more important to minorities if they walked into his bar to apply for a job while having the ability to do a job but weren't given a fair opportunity to do it. IMO, that matters far more.
Unfortunately, if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. The episode did a good job of showing a type of oppression/harassment of the black women pretty much only because of their skin color, even though there was no active intent by those involved to do so. And that's real racism (affecting their ability to do their job and potentially earn a living). Not the "racism" of a random person calling someone the N-word but otherwise having no ability to affect that person's life.
IMO, people confuse prejudice, bigotry, etc. with racism all the time, and I think this show got it right. It's not cool if Archie Bunker calls someone the N word or has other "racist" opinions and language, but the real impact is minimal in this day and age. I'd suspect it's far more important to minorities if they walked into his bar to apply for a job while having the ability to do a job but weren't given a fair opportunity to do it. IMO, that matters far more.
04-22-14, 01:38 PM
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Re: Mad Men -- "A Day's Work" -- 4/20/14
Does anyone know what grade in school Sally is supposed to be in?
Is she a freshman in high school now?
Is she a freshman in high school now?
04-22-14, 04:38 PM
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Re: Mad Men -- "A Day's Work" -- 4/20/14
A good post from Ken Levine (writer on Cheers, MASH) on how to approach this season:
http://kenlevine.blogspot.com/2014/0...n-mad-men.html
http://kenlevine.blogspot.com/2014/0...n-mad-men.html
04-22-14, 08:02 PM
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Re: Mad Men -- "A Day's Work" -- 4/20/14
I loved Peggy's calendar, "Feb 14th, masturbate morosely."
Great episode for Sally. I was touched when she told Don she loved him, but I couldn't believe she didn't check the slot on the phone to see if it spit out her dime.
As usual, I enjoyed every minute of this episode.
It sounded like one Sally's roommates said 'Fuck' but it got muted.
04-22-14, 11:59 PM
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04-23-14, 08:02 AM
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04-23-14, 08:15 AM
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Sally's eyebrows are an homage to Eugene Levy, whats going on there?
So I guess Dawn got the personell job?
So I guess Dawn got the personell job?
04-26-14, 07:41 PM
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Sally attends Miss Porter's School. She would be 14, nearly 15, at the time of the most recent episode, if the Mad Men wiki is to be believed.
04-26-14, 09:28 PM
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Re: Mad Men -- "A Day's Work" -- 4/20/14
I think Weiner is purposely trying to make it as random and nonsensical as possible as some sort of social experiment as to what the general public will accept as "genius" out of peer pressure.
The show is terrible. Terrible. If I hadn't invested all the time I have, I would have dumped it already.
The show is terrible. Terrible. If I hadn't invested all the time I have, I would have dumped it already.
04-27-14, 10:44 AM
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I enjoyed the episode. The characters are acting out of character because they are all miserable without Don there and the office just isn't the same.
04-28-14, 07:37 PM
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