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Re: Game of Thrones -- "Breaker of Chains" -- 4/20/14
Originally Posted by Tommy Ceez
(Post 12083943)
She was showing the Slaves of Mereen that she is the, ahem..Breaker of Chains. The collars that the slaves were wearing in Mereen were the collars her army used to wear. Its a call to rebellion.
Originally Posted by General Zod
(Post 12084542)
Especially in front of his kid.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "Breaker of Chains" -- 4/20/14
As far as Jaime and the "rape" goes I think it needs to be placed in context. We are conditioned differently now but Westeros is a very misogynistic place (and Martin a very misogynistic writer). No really didn't mean no and as I think was mentioned she really didn't fight him too hard. I think she seemed more upset about the where and when than the actual sex. Keep in mind they had been lovers for their entire lives and Jaime wanted her back after being gone for several years.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "Breaker of Chains" -- 4/20/14
Here's George R.R. Martin's response to the "rape" scene:
Spoiler:
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "Breaker of Chains" -- 4/20/14
I find it interesting that people think Jamie went too far with the rape, but seem to have forgotten he started this show by pushing a child out of a tower window, crippling him for life. He's not a nice guy.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "Breaker of Chains" -- 4/20/14
Yeah, and in the books it was pretty rapey until the last moment, and that was through Jaime's POV. I see nothing wrong with making it a bit more ambiguous in the show.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "Breaker of Chains" -- 4/20/14
Originally Posted by Draven
(Post 12084798)
I find it interesting that people think Jamie went too far with the rape, but seem to have forgotten he started this show by pushing a child out of a tower window, crippling him for life. He's not a nice guy.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "Breaker of Chains" -- 4/20/14
Originally Posted by Shazam
(Post 12084841)
Yeah but who hasn't wanted to throw a kid out a window?
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "Breaker of Chains" -- 4/20/14
Originally Posted by General Zod
(Post 12084542)
Every time I think the hound is turning a corner and maybe becoming a bit of a tolerable guy he does something to show what an asshat he really is. I don't care if he's right or not.. you don't beat up and steal from a guy who just helped you. Especially in front of his kid. I hope he dies in a fire.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "Breaker of Chains" -- 4/20/14
(Her lack of talent with her clothes on just makes it seem obvious) |
Re: Game of Thrones -- "Breaker of Chains" -- 4/20/14
Originally Posted by Draven
(Post 12084798)
I find it interesting that people think Jamie went too far with the rape, but seem to have forgotten he started this show by pushing a child out of a tower window, crippling him for life. He's not a nice guy.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "Breaker of Chains" -- 4/20/14
I never had any problems with Shae and her acting, but then again I don't know if the character was supposed to be different in the books.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "Breaker of Chains" -- 4/20/14
Originally Posted by RoyalTea
(Post 12085933)
Yeah, there have been so many disturbing things throughout the first 3 seasons, but now the show has crossed a line?
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "Breaker of Chains" -- 4/20/14
Originally Posted by GCS
(Post 12086016)
I agree with this completely.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "Breaker of Chains" -- 4/20/14
Originally Posted by fumanstan
(Post 12085936)
I never had any problems with Shae and her acting, but then again I don't know if the character was supposed to be different in the books.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "Breaker of Chains" -- 4/20/14
Originally Posted by Draven
(Post 12086045)
She's not - she's actually probably more "mature" on the show. In the books she comes across like a spoiled brat most of the time.
Originally Posted by DaveyJoe
(Post 12084812)
Yeah, and in the books it was pretty rapey until the last moment, and that was through Jaime's POV. I see nothing wrong with making it a bit more ambiguous in the show.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "Breaker of Chains" -- 4/20/14
Jaime and Cersei have a very dysfunctional pull/push relationship. The fact is, in the book Jaime is ripping her clothes off and forcing himself while ignoring her pleas. The only difference is that Cersei eventually gives verbal consent in the book. If anybody's behavior is different in the show, it's Cersei.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "Breaker of Chains" -- 4/20/14
Originally Posted by DaveyJoe
(Post 12087241)
Jaime and Cersei have a very dysfunctional pull/push relationship. The fact is, in the book Jaime is ripping her clothes off and forcing himself while ignoring her pleas. The only difference is that Cersei eventually gives verbal consent in the book. If anybody's behavior is different in the show, it's Cersei.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "Breaker of Chains" -- 4/20/14
Well yeah, I'm referring to the scene in the Sept, Cersei's main objection is the location. "Not here, this isn't right.." That doesn't make Jaime's behavior any more/less rapacious though. :shrug:
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "Breaker of Chains" -- 4/20/14
Originally Posted by DaveyJoe
(Post 12087241)
Jaime and Cersei have a very dysfunctional pull/push relationship. The fact is, in the book Jaime is ripping her clothes off and forcing himself while ignoring her pleas. The only difference is that Cersei eventually gives verbal consent in the book. If anybody's behavior is different in the show, it's Cersei.
I'll have to see the scene again.. but I got the vibe that was she was in fact giving in as the scene ended. I remember thinking, "was she actually giving IN to him, or was she just weak with grief being next to her dead son and just giving UP". |
Re: Game of Thrones -- "Breaker of Chains" -- 4/20/14
It starts walking the "she really wants it no matter what she says" line but she was obviously kissing him back as it went on.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "Breaker of Chains" -- 4/20/14
Originally Posted by DeputyDave
(Post 12084767)
As far as Jaime and the "rape" goes I think it needs to be placed in context. We are conditioned differently now but Westeros is a very misogynistic place (and Martin a very misogynistic writer). No really didn't mean no and as I think was mentioned she really didn't fight him too hard. I think she seemed more upset about the where and when than the actual sex. Keep in mind they had been lovers for their entire lives and Jaime wanted her back after being gone for several years.
I really doubt that Jaime's actions would be considered rape in the context of the universe they inhabit. Even Cersei herself was pretty nonchalant about the prospect of being gang-raped in the event the Red Keep was invaded by Stannis' forces. Westeros is not a particularly nice place to live or visit. Women are treated as little more than property, first to her own family, then, after marriage, to their husband's family. They have few rights and few prospects. We can't really apply our western, twenty-first century values and morals to these characters. |
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