DeputyDave

Exactly. My defense of this show goes like this: I love horror movies. My favorite sub-genre of horror is zombie movies. The show has it's problems but it is better than 95% of the zombie movies that have been made.

If you don't like the show maybe you are not it's target audience. You really don't have to watch. Really.


Question: How old is Beth supposed to be?

andicus

The point is, that if they're conserving matches in the day, they obviously don't have many. Why waste one at night, to burn down what should have been your shelter?

Because they were drunk and stupid, is the most reasonable answer. I suppose you could consider that they may have found the matches later, but if they were desperate enough in the day to have to use glass and a mirror, you'd think they would still have the sense not to waste them.

And regarding other complaints about those watching/complaining, personally I question the stupid things people do in the show, as I would IRL. It doesn't mean I'm not entertained, apart from the stupid actions.

DeputyDave

I'm guessing you have never been drunk. I'm glad I'm not judged on all of the much more stupid crap I've done while drunk.

andicus

You've done stupider things than burning down your night shelter during a zombie apocalypse?

I've been drunk plenty of times, but that's far stupider than anything I've done while drunk.

fumanstan

Agree about Beth, and then I also wondered the same question to myself. It seems like before they positioned Beth to be really young and even looking at Carl, but now that her character actually stuck around and they have other young girls, they're making her a little older.

TGM

I used to think "man, this show could go on forever!", now I think "man, how are they going to get another couple of seasons out of this premise?".

Groucho

According to this link, she's 18 (but they don't explain where they get the number from):

http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Beth_Greene

The actress is ten years older than that (28).

DeputyDave

Actually I was referring to using a match when they were trying to conserve them.

Banging a girl bareback in a park while married is pretty stupid. You risk: Death, disease, pregnancy, arrest, loss of wife, family, and money.

superdeluxe

I'm guessing 18-20.

But she looks much older on the talking dead

superdeluxe

I think that comment had to do with the 'I don't even know why I turn this on anymore' kind of comment.

I watched 24, and bitched about the mountains in Iowa, but I still watched, because I was entertained.

sracer

In life, there are simply people who are not happy unless they're miserable.

I think that overall, season 4 has been the best season since the first. I appreciate how they have mixed things up between action, character development, and story progression.

Are the characters still doing bone-headed things and making goofy decision? Sure. But with the exception of Rick and Carl not to the point of being annoying.

freshticles

I got 3/4 of the way through this episode and then turned it off out of sheer boredom. I think I'm officially done with this show. It's just the same thing every episode, and I never find myself caring enough about the main characters enough to stick around for the 'shocking' moment when one of them dies.

flashburn

Well that was a waste of time.

hdtv00

The same reason people watched Lost till the end. Oh wait at least that show although just as lost in writing as this show , it had at least characters people cared about and liked.

And I'm not a zombie fan, I think personally Zombies are stupid, they're slow and boring and no real threat unless you're stupid. I don't care how many or in what they kill them they'll never be interesting to me at all, ever. So yea I don't know why I watch , I guess to catch my weekly train wreck I guess.

Coral

That was painful to sit through. I don't mind drama and character development, but it needs to be well written and interesting - this was neither.

Sorry, but if you're young and the first drop of alcohol you touch is moonshine - you're going to cough and have a lot of trouble getting it down.

flashburn

Agree with everything you said. Bummer, I really want this show to be better than it is, and it should be!

andicus

Well, we can certainly agree that nothing makes people do stupider things than sex, especially when already primed with alcohol. Though, I suppose greed might just give those two a run for their money.


Regarding the moonshine, yeah, she really should've coughed on the first sip. I was waiting for it and surprised when it didn't happen. Though cliche in entertainment, it's also pretty accurate.

TimeandTide

Agree with all if this. Loved everything about the episode except the music at the end.

Josh-da-man

Merle had bag of blue meth that was shown back in season one or two.

MBoyd

I always thought a one off alternate universe Breaking Bad / tie in Walking Dead episode with Jesse and Walt emerging from the mobile home after cooking meth into the Zombie Apocalypse would be cool.

Nausicaa

Yeah, I mean we're well into season 4 of this show and the episode was about a character trying to find alcohol. Even if you love this show, this episode was objectively terrible.

Bill Needle

I would be willing to cut the show some more slack if not for the fact that after a couple more episodes they are done for another 6 months. Given that, this was a little too self indulgent.

Cellar Door

The writing just feels very amateurish. Last night's episode was like something a high-school kid would write, thinking it was emotionally deep. It actually reminds me of some bad student films I've seen.

And that's leaving out the stupidity of doing the following in a zombie apocalypse:
a) cornering yourselves in a car trunk - that could have easily been a fatal mistake
b) walking into a building full of dead people. It's one thing to clear a house that might have a zombie or three in the bedrooms. It's another thing for two of you to stroll into a country club packed full of bodies, some of which might get up and try to bite you.
c) get drunk in the first place--there's no excuse for that in their situation
d) purposely burn down your shelter in the middle of the night

The contrast to Lost upthread is apt. Even though I started to realize at a certain point that the Lost writers were spinning their wheels plotwise, they could still write character-centric episodes that were really, really good.

majorjoe23

They didn't have matches earlier in the episode. Daryl dumped a glass full of matchbooks in his pocket at the country club bar. And he was taking every piece of paper he could find (cash, that thing he pulled out of the frame) as kindling.

andicus

Okay, good catch, but as I said, if they picked them up at a later point, they should still have the sense not to waste them. Drunkenness explains that, I suppose.