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Old 10-26-13 | 07:11 AM
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Re: Has a sitcom character ever change or grow substantially?

Originally Posted by devilshalo
What's substantially?

One could argue about the characters in M*A*S*H*, but that's caused by their circumstance.
That may have been the reasoning but the reason was Alda gaining creative control of the show.

I liked the shift to an antiwar program...but Alda's massive ego made Maclean Stevenson and John McIntyre walk from the show since everyone became a sidekick to Hawkeye.

For the OPs question: All the cast of Third Rock from the Sun as they learn what its like to be human.
Old 10-26-13 | 07:35 AM
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Re: Has a sitcom character ever change or grow substantially?

I was going to say Urkle on Family Matters as well.

As long as people are going with devolving characters too, I'd have to add Eric Matthews from Boy Meets World. He went from the older brother who teases with the occasional caring moment. He would also stand up for his brother in an instant. The he turned into an irrational idiot who would waltz into a scene for the same of setting up a slapstick joke.
Old 10-26-13 | 08:06 AM
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Re: Has a sitcom character ever change or grow substantially?

Originally Posted by Traxan
Most of the MASH cast changed if they were on long enough. Hawkeye became a mirror of Alda's antiwar sentiment, Charles slowly lightened up and began to fit in more, Klinger got out of the dress, Potter lightened up a little. The short-term guys -- Burns, MacIntyre, Blake -- didn't change over time.
The entire series started to grow after they got rid of Frank Burns. Best creative decision they could have made.
Old 10-26-13 | 08:24 AM
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Megan Mullaly in Will & Grace, she went from sassy assistant to Grace to privileged rich lady so much to the point they added a maid to the cast to be her sidekick. After the third season the show should have just been called Jack & Karen.
Old 10-26-13 | 09:05 AM
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Re: Has a sitcom character ever change or grow substantially?

Originally Posted by Why So Blu?
Homer Simpson. He just gets stupider every season.
That's the nuclear power working it's magic.
Old 10-26-13 | 09:40 AM
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Re: Has a sitcom character ever change or grow substantially?

Originally Posted by Josh-da-man
I find that the longer sitcoms run, the more they tend to play up the characters quirks until they turn into self-parody.
That's one of the rules of comedy series or comedy movie sequels, find what works and hammer it unmercifully into the ground until it becomes worthless.
Old 10-26-13 | 11:22 AM
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Re: Has a sitcom character ever change or grow substantially?

Originally Posted by Charlie Goose
The Fonz. By the end of Happy Days, the character was NOTHING like he was in the earlier seasons.

Still cool though. The Fonz was always cool.
Initially Fonz was really just a tertiary character behind Potsy and Ralph. But his coolness brought him to the forefront and eventually made him the lead after Ron Howard left. He said he owed it all to that move at the mirror. He asked himself what would Sly (stallone) do? Instead of combing his hair he threw his arms out in his famous "hey look at me" pose and the rest is history.
Old 10-26-13 | 11:46 AM
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Re: Has a sitcom character ever change or grow substantially?

Originally Posted by Cardsfan111
I get what you're saying, but it's an interesting comparison since Al Bundy's character existed before Homer Simpson.
Yes, but both shows ran for a very long time side by side as staples of early Fox. I remember watching both, from their pilot episodes, and thinking about how much Al was turning into Homer, while at the same time Homer became more brain dead every season.

The first season of MWC was my favorite because Al was modeled more from Archie Bunker. The show did have a somewhat more serious tone though than everything that followed. As I believe someone else mentioned it eventually turned into self-parody.
Old 10-26-13 | 11:48 AM
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Re: Has a sitcom character ever change or grow substantially?

Originally Posted by Jason
The entire series started to grow after they got rid of Frank Burns. Best creative decision they could have made.
Now now don't be dissing Larry. He got a LOT of mileage out of a singular, one-dimensional character. A lesser actor would have been repeating himself by season two. Larry kept that character hot right up until he left, when you saw he was truly in love with Houlihan.
Old 10-26-13 | 11:50 AM
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Re: Has a sitcom character ever change or grow substantially?

Originally Posted by Josh-da-man
I find that the longer sitcoms run, the more they tend to play up the characters quirks until they turn into self-parody.
Frasier didn't. They made one fatal mistake: putting Daphne and Niles together. Other than that, though, almost everyone stayed true to the character. The only one that grew was Roz and I think it was more because Peri wanted to be more than just Frasier's foil and an insult board for Niles for her promiscuity. But Frasier himself was pretty much the same man on the last episode as the first.
Old 10-26-13 | 11:55 AM
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Re: Has a sitcom character ever change or grow substantially?

Chrissy Snow went from normal to full "mentally challenged" in Three's Company.
Old 10-26-13 | 12:04 PM
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Re: Has a sitcom character ever change or grow substantially?

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The first season of MWC was my favorite because Al was modeled more from Archie Bunker. The show did have a somewhat more serious tone though than everything that followed. As I believe someone else mentioned it eventually turned into self-parody.
Yeah truthfully Married with Children is hard to even watch anymore to me. It seems like as it progressed each year just got more zany and over the top. The first two or three seasons I would say it was at it's best and that it started getting really bad to me when Steve left the series and Jefferson was brought in.
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Re: Has a sitcom character ever change or grow substantially?

Originally Posted by Josh-da-man
I find that the longer sitcoms run, the more they tend to play up the characters quirks until they turn into self-parody.

So a character who may not be especially bright (ie, Joey on Friends, Kelly on MWC) will be a complete moron after five or six seasons. Someone who is socially awkward will devolve into being a complete buffoon. Some who starts out clumsy won't be able to cross the room without doing a pratfall.
Doesn't that happen in dramas too? Look at House. Go back and watch a season 1 episode and you will find an eccentric, superficially mean and sarcastic character that was also brilliant and underneath the gruff exterior truly cared for his patients. Watch an episode from the last couple seasons and they have amplified the negative elements of his character so much that he is a batshit crazy narcissist that is truly mean spirited and dangerous.
Old 10-26-13 | 01:34 PM
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Re: Has a sitcom character ever change or grow substantially?

Originally Posted by Traxan
Most of the MASH cast changed if they were on long enough. Hawkeye became a mirror of Alda's antiwar sentiment, Charles slowly lightened up and began to fit in more, Klinger got out of the dress, Potter lightened up a little. The short-term guys -- Burns, MacIntyre, Blake -- didn't change over time.
Don't forget Radar's de-evolution into an innocent.
Old 10-26-13 | 01:42 PM
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Re: Has a sitcom character ever change or grow substantially?

Originally Posted by Traxan
Now now don't be dissing Larry. He got a LOT of mileage out of a singular, one-dimensional character. A lesser actor would have been repeating himself by season two. Larry kept that character hot right up until he left, when you saw he was truly in love with Houlihan.
I agree. Ferret Face was the best part of MASH.
Old 10-26-13 | 02:21 PM
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Re: Has a sitcom character ever change or grow substantially?

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There's the potential to add Barney and Robin from HIMYM depending on how it plays out.

I haven't seen any of the current season yet but I was thinking Barney when I saw the thread title
going from totally single, getting a different chick every night, to happily monogamous and caring about the girl's feelings is a huge change
Old 10-26-13 | 02:29 PM
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Re: Has a sitcom character ever change or grow substantially?

Originally Posted by johnnysd
Doesn't that happen in dramas too? Look at House. Go back and watch a season 1 episode and you will find an eccentric, superficially mean and sarcastic character that was also brilliant and underneath the gruff exterior truly cared for his patients. Watch an episode from the last couple seasons and they have amplified the negative elements of his character so much that he is a batshit crazy narcissist that is truly mean spirited and dangerous.
House started out as a brilliant but quirky doctor. By the end he was a psychotic genius with a host of hardcore addictions. They went way too far with House's problems and personality.
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Re: Has a sitcom character ever change or grow substantially?

Originally Posted by hasslein
Chrissy Snow went from normal to full "mentally challenged" in Three's Company.
True. Jack Tripper also went from skirt-chasing student to a restaurant owning, one woman guy.


Originally Posted by Mike86
Yeah truthfully Married with Children is hard to even watch anymore to me. It seems like as it progressed each year just got more zany and over the top. The first two or three seasons I would say it was at it's best and that it started getting really bad to me when Steve left the series and Jefferson was brought in.
Absolutely agree!
Old 10-26-13 | 02:34 PM
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Re: Has a sitcom character ever change or grow substantially?

Originally Posted by deepmilk
True. Jack Tripper also went from skirt-chasing student to a restaurant owning, one woman guy.
And he turned straight.

Fortunately, Larry never grew.
Old 10-26-13 | 07:25 PM
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Re: Has a sitcom character ever change or grow substantially?

Mike Sever - immature teen to very mature teen with adopted child
Old 10-26-13 | 07:43 PM
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Re: Has a sitcom character ever change or grow substantially?

Homer Simpson on Police Cops

And while not a sitcom, how about the way Nellie Oleson changed on Little House on the Prairie? She was the total bitch until she got married. I always thought it was the producers' way of telling us that all she ever needed was to get laid.
Old 10-26-13 | 09:36 PM
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Re: Has a sitcom character ever change or grow substantially?

Kramer started out as a lethargic layabout who never left the apartment building. He changed a lot.
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Re: Has a sitcom character ever change or grow substantially?

Originally Posted by mwbmis
It's been my experience that pretty much all characters on well established sitcoms get dumber as the show goes on b/c the writers run out of ideas so they get more outlandish.
I remember watching an interview with Andy Dick near the end of Newsradio's run where he said his character had slowly gotten dumber over the years to the point where he was bordering on mental retardation at the end.
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Re: Has a sitcom character ever change or grow substantially?

Kevin on the U.S. version of The Office got a lot dumber as the show went on too. In the first season few seasons or so he was never the brightest bulb in the pack but he wasn't the idiot that he eventually became. It got to the point where I swear he was mentally challenged or something.
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Re: Has a sitcom character ever change or grow substantially?

Originally Posted by GoldenJCJ
I remember watching an interview with Andy Dick near the end of Newsradio's run where he said his character had slowly gotten dumber over the years to the point where he was bordering on mental retardation at the end.
Based on the amount of drugs Andy Dick did maybe he really wasn't acting.

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