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Old 09-23-13 | 04:49 PM
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saw this on tumlr thought to post it here for tony hale fans

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Originally Posted by The Antipodean
Jeff Daniels and The Newsroom are a damned embarrassment to be winning ANYTHING at the Emmy awards. What a joke. Maybe Cranston and Hamm split the vote so precisely that Daniels snuck in with a fraction of the total.
No it was a continuation of Hollywood's blatant politicizing of entertainment by giving undeserving awards to liberal garbage. It really became obvious with Gore's "Inconvenient Truth" getting multiple awards, including Etheridge getting an award for that crap song, and I thought had peaked with Sean Penn winning the Oscar for "Milk" over the far more deserving Mickey Rourke.

Now this, blowing off Bryan Cranston in the performance of his lifetime in favor of this leftist partisan bilge. Hollywood awards are worthless. Just a lot of glad-handing.
Old 09-23-13 | 05:22 PM
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You make it sound like Bryan Cranston didn't win 3 consecutive Emmys for Breaking Bad during the seasons his character went through the biggest transitions.

Hell he won recognition before the public even wised up to the show and everybody thought Jon Hamm and Michael C Hall were getting wrongfully snubbed.

Good times, ah well. What I think is funny is he still hasn't won a Golden Globe.

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Old 09-23-13 | 06:03 PM
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I'm very happy about Melissa Leo winning for Louie. She's a terrific actress and that was a memorable role.
Old 09-23-13 | 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Traxan
No it was a continuation of Hollywood's blatant politicizing of entertainment by giving undeserving awards to liberal garbage. It really became obvious with Gore's "Inconvenient Truth" getting multiple awards, including Etheridge getting an award for that crap song, and I thought had peaked with Sean Penn winning the Oscar for "Milk" over the far more deserving Mickey Rourke.

Now this, blowing off Bryan Cranston in the performance of his lifetime in favor of this leftist partisan bilge. Hollywood awards are worthless. Just a lot of glad-handing.
Will McAvoy is a Republican who takes shots at both cconservatives and liberals when they're due. Do you even watch the show?
Old 09-23-13 | 10:01 PM
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Will McAvoy is a Republican who takes shots at both cconservatives and liberals when they're due. Do you even watch the show?
Then he's a RINO, which is actually worse than being a liberal, because RINOs are stealth liberals.
Old 09-23-13 | 10:08 PM
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Will McAvoy is a Republican who takes shots at both cconservatives and liberals when they're due. Do you even watch the show?
Don't bother with that.

In his interview with Dan Rather, Sorkin says that he is not going to pretend that The Newsroom is even-handed about its politics. He says the overall POV of the show is a liberal (him) criticizing the increasingly conservative GOP.

I was very surprised when Daniels won, but If you think about the first season it featured him delivering a lot of complex speeches and dialogue. It is a very different kind of performance from what Cranston and Hamm are doing, but one that actors can really appreciate. Actors like actors performing Sorkin's words well.
Old 09-23-13 | 10:12 PM
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Then he's a RINO, which is actually worse than being a liberal, because RINOs are stealth liberals.
Now there's a comment that completely ignores the stated POV of the show.

Will (according to the show) is the real genuine article Republican. The Tea Partiers are the RsINO because they are stealth fascists.
Old 09-23-13 | 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by zekeburger1979
Outstanding Comedy Series
Winner: Modern Family

Outstanding Drama Series
Winner: Breaking Bad.

Leave it up to Will Ferrell to liven up the ceremony at the end.

Mad Men has now gone winless in the last two ceremonies. 0 for 26.

Enough of the Modern Family already.....Yikes!
Old 09-24-13 | 01:20 AM
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Don't bother with that.

In his interview with Dan Rather, Sorkin says that he is not going to pretend that The Newsroom is even-handed about its politics. He says the overall POV of the show is a liberal (him) criticizing the increasingly conservative GOP.

I was very surprised when Daniels won, but If you think about the first season it featured him delivering a lot of complex speeches and dialogue. It is a very different kind of performance from what Cranston and Hamm are doing, but one that actors can really appreciate. Actors like actors performing Sorkin's words well.
Maybe the show is, but we are talking about the main character, and the actor who portrayed him got nominated and won. The Newsroom did not even get nominated for Best TV Drama, which makes the whole "liberal Emmy's" argument pretty weak.
Old 09-24-13 | 01:46 AM
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Maybe the show is, but we are talking about the main character, and the actor who portrayed him got nominated and won.
So your position is that the show presents an unapologetic criticism of conservative politics from an admitted liberal perspective, but the main character who does the lion's share of that criticizing is an even-handed moderate?
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Originally Posted by riley_dude
I couldn't get past the fact that Modern Family and Jim Parons won again.
Also, how good of an awards show when they totally don't even nominate shows like Orphan Black or Orange is the new black?
The woman from Orphan Black not even getting a nomination is just absolute garbage. Awful.
Old 09-24-13 | 01:51 AM
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So your position is that the show presents an unapologetic criticism of conservative politics from an admitted liberal perspective, but the main character who does the lion's share of that criticizing is an even-handed moderate?
Watch the Occupy Wall Street episodes. Only one staff member was taking it seriously.
Old 09-24-13 | 03:54 AM
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Watch the Occupy Wall Street episodes. Only one staff member was taking it seriously.
Slumdog's opinion that OWS should be taken seriously as a potential news story was ultimately proven correct.

Will's position that OWS need not be taken seriously as a potential counter-balance from the Left to the Tea Party was also correct, and more important as OWS had very little impact on the politics of the US.

I don't recall any staff members including Will voicing disagreement with OWS's criticisms of growing financial disparity in America and the need for stronger regulation from the govt.

Will criticizes the effectiveness of the political left, but not its goals or motivations. The goals and motivations (and leaders) of the political right come under constant attack by Will and his team.
Old 09-24-13 | 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Count Dooku
Slumdog's opinion that OWS should be taken seriously as a potential news story was ultimately proven correct.

Will's position that OWS need not be taken seriously as a potential counter-balance from the Left to the Tea Party was also correct, and more important as OWS had very little impact on the politics of the US.

I don't recall any staff members including Will voicing disagreement with OWS's criticisms of growing financial disparity in America and the need for stronger regulation from the govt.

Will criticizes the effectiveness of the political left, but not its goals or motivations. The goals and motivations (and leaders) of the political right come under constant attack by Will and his team.
Genoa was also a pretty big storyline, which most of the staff went along with. Not exactly a liberal move, since it could have implicated Obama possibly. But then again, Obama is not really a liberal no matter what conservatives might say.
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We barely see Will McAvoy in his News Nite show. Most of the time we see him in his office, at staff meetings, etc. And you do realize that when they send tapes for nominations, the Emmy voters they don't watch every episode of the character. They see usually one episode.
It seems to me like most of his time is spent on News Nite on the show, with a little of him in his office. Even that is robotic. I like Jeff Daniels but don't actually think he does a good job on this show at all. Not so much that it's bad but it just looks like what he does is really easy compared to the performances required from nominated actors on other shows.
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Originally Posted by Throwing Copper
The woman from Orphan Black not even getting a nomination is just absolute garbage. Awful.
Yup.
Old 09-24-13 | 09:56 AM
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It seems to me like most of his time is spent on News Nite on the show, with a little of him in his office. Even that is robotic. I like Jeff Daniels but don't actually think he does a good job on this show at all. Not so much that it's bad but it just looks like what he does is really easy compared to the performances required from nominated actors on other shows.
No, Will is barely shown on News Night, and when he is there's a lot of behind the scenes stuff.

"Required from actors on other shows"? What doea that even mean? None of the actors nominated had a lot in common. Can you say any of the other actors would be better at playing Will McAvoy?
Old 09-24-13 | 09:58 AM
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I think the best actor award is given off 1 episode, could be wrong, but most credit it to:

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And that's it.
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I think the best actor award is given off 1 episode, could be wrong, but most credit it to:

And that's it.
That's every category for the most part.
Old 09-24-13 | 12:27 PM
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Genoa was also a pretty big storyline, which most of the staff went along with. Not exactly a liberal move, since it could have implicated Obama possibly. But then again, Obama is not really a liberal no matter what conservatives might say.
Genoa wasn't real.

Sorkin can create a potential scandal that would cast the Obama administration in the worst possible light, but he knows the outcome will be that the Obama admin will ultimately be shown innocent. When News Night goes after the GOP it is over real situations and issues, so the criticisms stick.

I really don't know why you want to have this conversation. I'm not claiming the show is a weekly dramatization of a Rachel Maddow rant. I'm telling you what Sorkin says the show is.

In the Rather interview they discuss criticisms of The West Wing as too liberal. Sorkin defends TWW, but says that with The Newsroom he is not going to pretend that the politics are even-handed. He says the show is a liberal fantasy, that the political POV is entirely his and that it is unabashedly liberal, and that he is intentionally using the show to criticize the political right because that's what he wants to do and HBO lets him.

You are willing to say that Obama is not really a liberal, even though he gets that label. Will is Sorkin's mouthpiece and thus a liberal, no matter how the show chooses to label him.

This isn't the Politics or a News Night thread so
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Genoa wasn't real. Sorkin can create a potential scandal that would cast the Obama administration in the worst possible light, but he knows the outcome will be that the Obama admin will ultimately be shown innocent. When News Night goes after the GOP it is over real situations and issues, so the criticisms stick.

I really don't know why you want to have this conversation. I'm not claiming the show is a weekly dramatization of a Rachel Maddow rant. I'm telling you what Sorkin says the show is.

In the Rather interview they discuss criticisms of The West Wing as too liberal. Sorkin defends TWW, but says that with The Newsroom he is not going to pretend that the politics are even-handed. He says the show is a liberal fantasy, that the political POV is entirely his and that it is unabashedly liberal, and that he is intentionally using the show to criticize the political right because that's what he wants to do and HBO lets him.

You are willing to say that Obama is not really a liberal, even though he gets that label. Will is Sorkin's mouthpiece and thus a liberal, no matter how the show chooses to label him.

This isn't the Politics or a News Night thread so
The show isn't real either, what's your point? You act as if the characters and Sorkin are one in the same, but they're not. I don't give a crap what Sorkin says in an interview, that's not totally a reflection of the show. I've backed that up with numerous points, but it's clear you will dismiss anything I say based solely on Aaron Sorkin. That's not much of an argument.

Obama only gets that label from conservatives, no one else does.

The show's characters were beaming when we killed Bin Laden. How liberal!

I'm not the person who brought up the show and was posting whiny comments about Jeff Daniels winning on the "liberal" show. I know where Sorkin stands on politics, but the show isn't what you claim it is. That's my opinion, and I supported it with valid points.

And the show is called The Newsroom, not News Nite. Bye.
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No, Will is barely shown on News Night, and when he is there's a lot of behind the scenes stuff.

"Required from actors on other shows"? What doea that even mean? None of the actors nominated had a lot in common. Can you say any of the other actors would be better at playing Will McAvoy?
No, that's the point. It doesn't seem an especially challenging role to me and he doesn't do anything to make a mundane role interesting. Cranston's role as Walter White, for example, is more challenging. Granted, Daniels did have a lot more to do in the first season which this was based off of.
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Originally Posted by Shady12
No, that's the point. It doesn't seem an especially challenging role to me and he doesn't do anything to make a mundane role interesting. Cranston's role as Walter White, for example, is more challenging. Granted, Daniels did have a lot more to do in the first season which this was based off of.
Obviously the Emmy crowd disagreed. I don't know what else to tell you. There are a lot of shows and people who never get or never got nominated for an Emmy that I thought deserved at least a nomination. I think Modern Family winning every year is ridiculous, much like how Frasier won year after year, but what are gonna do?

To be fair, Jeff Daniels didn't even think he'd win, making that AARP joke at his acceptance speech.
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Obviously the Emmy crowd disagreed. I don't know what else to tell you. There are a lot of shows and people who never get or never got nominated for an Emmy that I thought deserved at least a nomination. I think Modern Family winning every year is ridiculous, much like how Frasier won year after year, but what are gonna do?

To be fair, Jeff Daniels didn't even think he'd win, making that AARP joke at his acceptance speech.
I agree with all of that, cheers!


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