2013 Emmy Award Discussion Thread (Nominations, Winners, etc.)
#127
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Now this, blowing off Bryan Cranston in the performance of his lifetime in favor of this leftist partisan bilge. Hollywood awards are worthless. Just a lot of glad-handing.
#128
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You make it sound like Bryan Cranston didn't win 3 consecutive Emmys for Breaking Bad during the seasons his character went through the biggest transitions.
Hell he won recognition before the public even wised up to the show and everybody thought Jon Hamm and Michael C Hall were getting wrongfully snubbed.
Good times, ah well. What I think is funny is he still hasn't won a Golden Globe.
Hell he won recognition before the public even wised up to the show and everybody thought Jon Hamm and Michael C Hall were getting wrongfully snubbed.
Good times, ah well. What I think is funny is he still hasn't won a Golden Globe.
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#129
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I'm very happy about Melissa Leo winning for Louie. She's a terrific actress and that was a memorable role.
#130
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No it was a continuation of Hollywood's blatant politicizing of entertainment by giving undeserving awards to liberal garbage. It really became obvious with Gore's "Inconvenient Truth" getting multiple awards, including Etheridge getting an award for that crap song, and I thought had peaked with Sean Penn winning the Oscar for "Milk" over the far more deserving Mickey Rourke.
Now this, blowing off Bryan Cranston in the performance of his lifetime in favor of this leftist partisan bilge. Hollywood awards are worthless. Just a lot of glad-handing.
Now this, blowing off Bryan Cranston in the performance of his lifetime in favor of this leftist partisan bilge. Hollywood awards are worthless. Just a lot of glad-handing.
#131
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#132
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In his interview with Dan Rather, Sorkin says that he is not going to pretend that The Newsroom is even-handed about its politics. He says the overall POV of the show is a liberal (him) criticizing the increasingly conservative GOP.
I was very surprised when Daniels won, but If you think about the first season it featured him delivering a lot of complex speeches and dialogue. It is a very different kind of performance from what Cranston and Hamm are doing, but one that actors can really appreciate. Actors like actors performing Sorkin's words well.
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Will (according to the show) is the real genuine article Republican. The Tea Partiers are the RsINO because they are stealth fascists.
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Re: 2013 Emmy Award Discussion Thread (Nominations, Winners, etc.)
Enough of the Modern Family already.....Yikes!
#135
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Don't bother with that.
In his interview with Dan Rather, Sorkin says that he is not going to pretend that The Newsroom is even-handed about its politics. He says the overall POV of the show is a liberal (him) criticizing the increasingly conservative GOP.
I was very surprised when Daniels won, but If you think about the first season it featured him delivering a lot of complex speeches and dialogue. It is a very different kind of performance from what Cranston and Hamm are doing, but one that actors can really appreciate. Actors like actors performing Sorkin's words well.
In his interview with Dan Rather, Sorkin says that he is not going to pretend that The Newsroom is even-handed about its politics. He says the overall POV of the show is a liberal (him) criticizing the increasingly conservative GOP.
I was very surprised when Daniels won, but If you think about the first season it featured him delivering a lot of complex speeches and dialogue. It is a very different kind of performance from what Cranston and Hamm are doing, but one that actors can really appreciate. Actors like actors performing Sorkin's words well.
#136
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So your position is that the show presents an unapologetic criticism of conservative politics from an admitted liberal perspective, but the main character who does the lion's share of that criticizing is an even-handed moderate?
#137
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The woman from Orphan Black not even getting a nomination is just absolute garbage. Awful.
#138
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Watch the Occupy Wall Street episodes. Only one staff member was taking it seriously.
#139
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Will's position that OWS need not be taken seriously as a potential counter-balance from the Left to the Tea Party was also correct, and more important as OWS had very little impact on the politics of the US.
I don't recall any staff members including Will voicing disagreement with OWS's criticisms of growing financial disparity in America and the need for stronger regulation from the govt.
Will criticizes the effectiveness of the political left, but not its goals or motivations. The goals and motivations (and leaders) of the political right come under constant attack by Will and his team.
#140
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Slumdog's opinion that OWS should be taken seriously as a potential news story was ultimately proven correct.
Will's position that OWS need not be taken seriously as a potential counter-balance from the Left to the Tea Party was also correct, and more important as OWS had very little impact on the politics of the US.
I don't recall any staff members including Will voicing disagreement with OWS's criticisms of growing financial disparity in America and the need for stronger regulation from the govt.
Will criticizes the effectiveness of the political left, but not its goals or motivations. The goals and motivations (and leaders) of the political right come under constant attack by Will and his team.
Will's position that OWS need not be taken seriously as a potential counter-balance from the Left to the Tea Party was also correct, and more important as OWS had very little impact on the politics of the US.
I don't recall any staff members including Will voicing disagreement with OWS's criticisms of growing financial disparity in America and the need for stronger regulation from the govt.
Will criticizes the effectiveness of the political left, but not its goals or motivations. The goals and motivations (and leaders) of the political right come under constant attack by Will and his team.
#141
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It seems to me like most of his time is spent on News Nite on the show, with a little of him in his office. Even that is robotic. I like Jeff Daniels but don't actually think he does a good job on this show at all. Not so much that it's bad but it just looks like what he does is really easy compared to the performances required from nominated actors on other shows.
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It seems to me like most of his time is spent on News Nite on the show, with a little of him in his office. Even that is robotic. I like Jeff Daniels but don't actually think he does a good job on this show at all. Not so much that it's bad but it just looks like what he does is really easy compared to the performances required from nominated actors on other shows.
"Required from actors on other shows"? What doea that even mean? None of the actors nominated had a lot in common. Can you say any of the other actors would be better at playing Will McAvoy?
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I think the best actor award is given off 1 episode, could be wrong, but most credit it to:
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And that's it.
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And that's it.
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#146
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Sorkin can create a potential scandal that would cast the Obama administration in the worst possible light, but he knows the outcome will be that the Obama admin will ultimately be shown innocent. When News Night goes after the GOP it is over real situations and issues, so the criticisms stick.
I really don't know why you want to have this conversation. I'm not claiming the show is a weekly dramatization of a Rachel Maddow rant. I'm telling you what Sorkin says the show is.
In the Rather interview they discuss criticisms of The West Wing as too liberal. Sorkin defends TWW, but says that with The Newsroom he is not going to pretend that the politics are even-handed. He says the show is a liberal fantasy, that the political POV is entirely his and that it is unabashedly liberal, and that he is intentionally using the show to criticize the political right because that's what he wants to do and HBO lets him.
You are willing to say that Obama is not really a liberal, even though he gets that label. Will is Sorkin's mouthpiece and thus a liberal, no matter how the show chooses to label him.
This isn't the Politics or a News Night thread so
#147
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Genoa wasn't real. Sorkin can create a potential scandal that would cast the Obama administration in the worst possible light, but he knows the outcome will be that the Obama admin will ultimately be shown innocent. When News Night goes after the GOP it is over real situations and issues, so the criticisms stick.
I really don't know why you want to have this conversation. I'm not claiming the show is a weekly dramatization of a Rachel Maddow rant. I'm telling you what Sorkin says the show is.
In the Rather interview they discuss criticisms of The West Wing as too liberal. Sorkin defends TWW, but says that with The Newsroom he is not going to pretend that the politics are even-handed. He says the show is a liberal fantasy, that the political POV is entirely his and that it is unabashedly liberal, and that he is intentionally using the show to criticize the political right because that's what he wants to do and HBO lets him.
You are willing to say that Obama is not really a liberal, even though he gets that label. Will is Sorkin's mouthpiece and thus a liberal, no matter how the show chooses to label him.
This isn't the Politics or a News Night thread so
I really don't know why you want to have this conversation. I'm not claiming the show is a weekly dramatization of a Rachel Maddow rant. I'm telling you what Sorkin says the show is.
In the Rather interview they discuss criticisms of The West Wing as too liberal. Sorkin defends TWW, but says that with The Newsroom he is not going to pretend that the politics are even-handed. He says the show is a liberal fantasy, that the political POV is entirely his and that it is unabashedly liberal, and that he is intentionally using the show to criticize the political right because that's what he wants to do and HBO lets him.
You are willing to say that Obama is not really a liberal, even though he gets that label. Will is Sorkin's mouthpiece and thus a liberal, no matter how the show chooses to label him.
This isn't the Politics or a News Night thread so

Obama only gets that label from conservatives, no one else does.
The show's characters were beaming when we killed Bin Laden. How liberal!
I'm not the person who brought up the show and was posting whiny comments about Jeff Daniels winning on the "liberal" show. I know where Sorkin stands on politics, but the show isn't what you claim it is. That's my opinion, and I supported it with valid points.
And the show is called The Newsroom, not News Nite. Bye.
#148
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No, Will is barely shown on News Night, and when he is there's a lot of behind the scenes stuff.
"Required from actors on other shows"? What doea that even mean? None of the actors nominated had a lot in common. Can you say any of the other actors would be better at playing Will McAvoy?
"Required from actors on other shows"? What doea that even mean? None of the actors nominated had a lot in common. Can you say any of the other actors would be better at playing Will McAvoy?
#149
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No, that's the point. It doesn't seem an especially challenging role to me and he doesn't do anything to make a mundane role interesting. Cranston's role as Walter White, for example, is more challenging. Granted, Daniels did have a lot more to do in the first season which this was based off of.
To be fair, Jeff Daniels didn't even think he'd win, making that AARP joke at his acceptance speech.
#150
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Obviously the Emmy crowd disagreed. I don't know what else to tell you. There are a lot of shows and people who never get or never got nominated for an Emmy that I thought deserved at least a nomination. I think Modern Family winning every year is ridiculous, much like how Frasier won year after year, but what are gonna do?
To be fair, Jeff Daniels didn't even think he'd win, making that AARP joke at his acceptance speech.
To be fair, Jeff Daniels didn't even think he'd win, making that AARP joke at his acceptance speech.



