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So the way I see it going, there's no way Spencer doesn't make it to the final two. I think either of the others would take him. But I don't see him winning against either of them. So Spencer takes second and whoever wins the competition or is taken by Spencer wins the game.
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I haven't watched any BB since last week. Sunday's was delayed and didn't record and I still have Wed-Thurs sitting on my DVR unwatched.
I hate all of these fucking people so much I'll probably just bail on it. I don't want to see any of these assholes win a half million dollars. |
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If someone had predicted 2 months ago that Spencer, Andy, and GM would be the final 3 I'd have laughed in their face.
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I'm hoping for an Andy win. Not because I like him, but because I would hate to see GM have lost her job and Spencer in danger of losing his job and then have them win a half a million.
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Originally Posted by magiccmom
(Post 11832629)
I'm hoping for an Andy win. Not because I like him, but because I would hate to see GM have lost her job and Spencer in danger of losing his job and then have them win a half a million.
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I thought this was a very pertinent opinion piece on the topic of Andy and his online popularity. Some really good points here, especially #9.
Andy Herren Flame (so to speak) Wars - Dr. Ragan Fox 1) Andy’s a “bad” person in the house so he’s probably a “bad” person in real life. I was a fan of the show for a decade before I was on Big Brother. I’ve spent a good deal of time with many former BB contestants. Many of my LEAST favorite people on the program ended up being awesome outside the house. Conversely, some of my favorite characters on the show turned out to be giant assholes when I met them. BB is not a reflection of people outside of the house. Period. Spend 3 months in a single dwelling around the same group of people. Sleep in airplane chairs, eat slop and take cold showers for consecutive weeks and then let’s judge YOU. 2) We don’t hate Andy because he’s gay, we hate Andy because he’s a RAT! A rat, in the context of the game, is somebody who uses information as currency, a player who coaxes others into trusting him and then slits their throat, a guy who will stab his best friend in the back to get ahead in the game, a contestant who is only loyal to himself. The characteristics of a “rat” sound like a laundry list of reasons to award Andy the money if he makes it to the final 2. 3) We don’t hate Andy because he’s gay, we hate him for all the VILE things he’s said about everyone in the house! In the house, you can’t watch TV, read, write, or talk to family and friends. BB contestants go stir crazy. You know what it’s like when you have a cold and you’re stuck in an apartment for a few days. Imagine THAT crazed feeling but on a much larger scale. Everything becomes magnified. People you normally would mildly dislike outside of the house become the exclusive object of your frustration and sadness inside the house. I get why many people who have played BB talk shit about one another when they’re in the final stretch of the game. I also think fans who spend several hours a day bashing a particular contestant in forums sacrifice their right to complain about houseguests bashing one another. As they say, “Doctor, heal thyself.” 4) You think people only dislike Andy because he’s gay! THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. This is perhaps the most ignorant statement a person can make. Regardless of whatever personal choice you make about homophobia, it will ALWAYS play a hand in how gay characters are read on Big Brother. Throughout television history, gay and lesbian characters have routinely been coded as villains. The earliest homophile movements in the United States largely focused on negative depictions of gays and lesbians on (wait for it) TELEVISION. As a television audience, we have been trained, since the inception of the medium, to mark sexual minorities on TV as deviant, without home, sad, lonely, and villainous. I wasn’t arguing that homophobia’s the only excuse for disliking Andy. That’s a reductive and intellectually lazy interpretation of my argument. My point was that homophobia plays a part in how ALL gay characters on TV are read, because homophobia, racism, and sexism aren’t just PERSONAL CHOICES; these things are SYSTEMIC, or built into the very structures of how we encode and decode messages. 5) Why are you defending all the horrible things Andy’s done in the house? I’m not defending Andy’s actions. I’m calling attention to a fan double standard as it relates to gay contestants. My problem isn’t that some fans dislike Andy, it’s that polls rank him as the most hated houseguest of the season when others in the house have committed worse social crimes. Amanda, for example, tried to crash a heavy door against Elissa’s head and she’s currently ranked 9 out of 17 on the Jokers poll. She also talked crap about Elissa’s family. Others spent the summer spouting a non-stop stream of racist and homophobic garbage. My issue is more a point of comparison. I don’t begrudge anyone the right to dislike a particular contestant. 6) Are you upset about the mean things he’s said about Elissa? Yes, because Elissa is the only BB15 cast member I know outside the house. She’s a beautiful, intelligent, gracious, and kind person. People talk shit in the house. I’m sure Andy will feel terrible for the things he said and the two will work it out without your intervention. Rachel and I became friends, DESPITE fans egging us on to continue disliking one another. 7) Don’t you think there should be consequences for the horrible stuff Andy’s said? Every person who plays Big Brother suffers more consequences than you can imagine. After finale, the court of public opinion holds each of us accountable for things we’ve said and even things we haven’t uttered. Remember when a group of “fans” made up a lie that I said Chima deserved to be raped. I’ve seen viewers go into public forums and post the phone number of Andy’s JOB and ask followers to call it and get him fired. That deplorable action is infinitely worse than anything ANYONE in the BB house has EVER said or done. 8) Andy shouldn’t be a teacher. I wouldn’t let him teach MY kids after all the horrible things he’s said in the house. Universities have a system to review on-job comportment and proficiency. College instructors undergo teaching evaluations conducted by colleagues and students. By all counts, Andy’s fabulous at his job. As a side note, people tried to get me fired from MY job when I was on Big Brother. The semester before I went on the show, the Long Beach Post listed me as one of the 10 best teachers in Long Beach and California State University’s senior class named me the “most inspirational professor of 2010.” In other words, your dislike of Andy is not the measure of his work ability. From what I gather by informal reviews of his work, you (or your children) would be LUCKY to have him as a professor. Your feelings aren’t facts. Student evaluations are facts. Check out Andy’s student reviews at http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/Show...sp?tid=1638862 9) But Andy hasn’t played a good game. He’s made no moves! He’s a floater! Bullshit. A statement like this can only be uttered by a fan who has no understanding of gameplay. Andy has won 4 competitions: 2 vetoes and 2 Head of Households. He gained the trust of EVERYONE in the house. The first time he was HoH, his peers VOLUNTEERED to be have-nots so that he wouldn’t have to pick any of them. He’s largely responsible for his biggest ally (Amanda) leaving the house. Hands down, the most consequential move in the game was when he orchestrated Amanda’s eviction and pinned it on Elissa. You’re not floating when you call the shots. Somebody’s not a “floater” just because they don’t support the people you want to win the game. Floaters don’t make moves. Andy is tearing through that house like a wrecking ball. 10) You’re only defending Andy because he’s gay. Wrong. I also wrote blogs supporting Shelly and Kalia when fans ganged up on them. 11) You’re only defending Andy because you want to sleep with him. Hold on, you said you weren’t homophobic, right? Only homophobes believe that all gay people want to sleep with one another. I’m in a happy, monogamous relationship with the man of my dreams. 12) You stated your opinion. Why do you get upset when fans state THEIRS? I don’t. Honestly. I encourage you to have an opinion. I only get upset when people put words in my mouth or misrepresent me. You would, too. (P.S. I hope Andy becomes the first gay winner of BB. From a gameplay perspective, he DESERVES it.) |
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The original "floater's " Jun and Alison played smart proactive games in BB4 similiar to Andy but over time the word got used as a huge insult thrown at contestants by fans and other players to attack people not in large alliances or people who just rode coatails or those who the fans hated or detached under the radar players or basically anyone who was not Dan,Janelle,Rachel,Jeff,Dick etc or alligned with them.
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I think the biggest problem with this game is the audience. To actually attack peoples real lives over what went on in the house, or really what we were manipulated into believing went on, is a horrorshow to the nth degree. Mob justice is one of the unexpected results of the internet. I guess they should expect that though. Never underestimate the intelligence of the general public, it's really difficult.
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I don't know anything about their real lives, nor do I see a point in going into what they really do and all of that (I'm glad I missed the first episodes because of this, the only people I know about is GM dancing and McCrae delivering pizza). I can say who I would or would not like to see win though. I'll be pretty bummed if Andy wins because I don't think he deserves it at all.
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Ragan is full of crap, except for answer 9.
Amanda was in the 16th spot for a long time and it's had nothing to do with her sexuality. Andy has a lot of things against him. He's been aligned with very unpopular people for a very long time. The audience saw him choose Amanda and McCrae over Elissa and Helen and, whether they're right or not, they saw him choosing the "bad" people over the "good" people. We see this kind of thing almost every year. Andy watched Amanda terrorize the house and said nothing and went along with most of it. Only when he saw that group becoming the targets due to Amanda's behavior did he flop again and, unfortunately for him popularity-wise, he chose yet another alliance that the audience didn't like (save for Judd). He has been constantly attacking Elissa since she left and, whether you like her or not, she's the fan favorite and you're going to pay a price for that with the fans of not only Elissa, but of those who just see this season as ugly in general and are sick of the constant personal attacks. On top of that, while Andy was no floater, and does deserve the 500k, he style of play just isn't very popular. He's kind of whined and cried and to the point where people are just sick of him. He benefited a lot from this crazy season where they sought to take out "strong" players early and left the house filled with people who spent more time fighting and having sex than playing the game. Andy can't be blamed for who's in the house, but he's had less than stellar competition. He's really never even been corned by anyone who suspected him, despite the fact that even McCrae thought he voted out Amanda. McCrae even admitted he wimped out on that and so Andy's got pretty lucky that, while playing both sides, he was very transparent and STILL no one really even challenged him and it helped a lot that GM, Spencer and Judd didn't really have any great gameplay either and were just happy to follow the power. If anything, I think the typical BB audience would LOVE to see someone gay win BB. Andy is last in popularity because he's the most powerful person in a very unpopular alliance. Amanda is out of the house and people aren't voting against her as much and the villain like ED tends to have a decent sized core of fans who just likes to root for the "bad guy." Heck, are we saying that gay people don't watch this show? Certainly if they all lined up behind Andy he wouldn't be dead last in popularity. And to give most of the credit for Amanda's eviction to Andy is a joke. Ragan seems to write something about the show and moralizing a few times per season. It seems to feed his own ego more than anything else. And I've seen no evidence that any serious attempt has been made to mess with Andy's real life, but people are going to screw with anyone on tv. Regular tv stars get stalkers, which is a hell of a lot worse than a few crazies trying to get you fired. They knew this was the case when they signed up and they all wanted the fame, so they'll have to deal with the garbage that comes with it. I don't REALLY want to see any of the last 3 people win, so why is Andy singled out because he's gay? He shouldn't be. If Andy was straight and nothing else changed, he'd still be in last place. Again, whether we like it or not, fans tend to like strong players who make bold moves, even if they don't win the game. They like Janelle, Jeff, Hayden, Dr. Will, etc. That said, while Kevin took some heat being aligned with Nat and Lydia, he wasn't disliked like Andy and he was not only gay, but if he won the last HOH he would have probably beaten Jordan or Natalie in the F2. He wasn't my favorite, but only because he was involved with people that I never liked. He was actually my favorite of that group. But if Ragan is right, then Kevin should have been hated like Andy. Well, no, the audience hated the most powerful person, who played a game the audience didn't like (right or wrong doesn't matter), the the "bad" alliance. Just like this season, but then again, this season just didn't really have much good to it at all, so things seem worse for Andy than they might have been on a less hateful season. |
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I, for one, am going to miss dolphinboy's rants when this season is done. Just needs more reverse psychology nonsense. ;)
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Andy has to win. He's the only even remotely acceptable winner. I may not personally like him or really care for the game he's played, but he has played all summer. And I largely agree with Ragan, but, then again, I was one of the few people who actually liked Ragan during his season.
Spencer is the BB player who always somehow gets to the end b/c no one thought he was a threat. We see this nearly ever year now. Unlike other similar players, I'll give him credit for understanding the game, but he actually hasn't DONE anything. He's been carried to the finale. GM has done things, but she doesn't seem to understand any of them or really the game in total. Plus, in spite of her occasional spirit she's got a real mean streak. It's one thing for a gentle hearted dummy to win (Jordan); it's quite another for someone like GM. Ugh. |
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Apparently Amanda was not the predetermined winner. This clip filmed in advance shows someone else http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZLcxouYMUc
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So Andy wins the game and Elissa wins America's Favorite, exactly as expected.
And after all the sound, fury, and outrage, this season will be completely forgotten inside of 24 hours. |
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Originally Posted by JuryDuty
(Post 11832461)
So the way I see it going, there's no way Spencer doesn't make it to the final two.
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Originally Posted by dolphinboy
(Post 11832999)
Spencer is playing for 2nd and he's pretty much a lock to get it.
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Originally Posted by aktick
(Post 11833473)
I guarantee Andy will win. :p
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I don't think anyone was expecting Andy to take GM over Spencer. Seemed like a stupid move...until the questions started. Then it was suddenly brilliant.
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Originally Posted by MoviePage
(Post 11840296)
So Andy wins the game and Elissa wins America's Favorite, exactly as expected.
And after all the sound, fury, and outrage, this season will be completely forgotten inside of 24 hours. |
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Originally Posted by MoviePage
(Post 11840321)
I don't think anyone was expecting Andy to take GM over Spencer. Seemed like a stupid move...until the questions started. Then it was suddenly brilliant.
I hate bitter juries, so I'm glad we didn't get that, but I wonder what role Dr. Will played in that. His segment was entertaining but it took time away from hearing the jury speak/fight and I don't like suddenly introducing something with even the remote possibility of influencing the results. |
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"Glad" to see Andy win. I've been of the opinion that the live jury Q&A is largely worthless, but when you have someone as articulate as Andy vs someone as inarticulate as GM I guess it doesn't matter how short the Q&A is. He absolutely and completely trounced her. That's why you could take her to the final over Spencer.
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Originally Posted by SkullOrchard
(Post 11840303)
Wrong.
Ho-hum season. LOL Nick looked like he was being very gracious with GM with his hug at the end. |
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I don't know. As bad as GM's arguement was; Spencer had no arguement. He was so worthless as a player he was nominated week after week just so they wouldn't piss off a real player. Plus, even though he understood the game, he didn't have a meaningul game conversation in that house for about six weeks b/c after the MC blew up no one was buying what he was selling. He's Zach. He's Adam Poch.
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Spencer could kind of be funny on the feeds and was good in confessionals. I feel like it's kind of mean to compare him to Zach who was more like a showmanceless McCrae, socially awkward and kind of a wtf casting decision. And Adam was also just a waste of space. Spencer was just someone who overplayed early sided with the wrong people but still made the best of a bad hand.
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Unless they come back for an all-star season (Judd and Andy...anyone else?), yes, they will be forgotten pretty quickly but I don't think a lot was learned from this "controversial" season.
Aaryn was surrounded by 3 PR people hired by her family during her interviews and made comments like that she wasn't being racial towards Candice, she was just trying to imitate her. I mean, if she had some shoe polish, I'm sure black face wouldn't have been racial either. Aaryn was already clued in about her firing and rather than saying something respectful, she said they sucked anyway and she had 6 interviews with new agencies tomorrow. If true, also arranged by the PR team her family hired and if she's that in demand, what can she learn other than her behavior ultimately paid off? Still very unhappy that Julie and CBS made her the face of the the evil this summer, when there was plenty to go around. Spencer didn't even have a clue that he was one of the worst from this season, not only making racial comments and inappropriate comments, but also saying some of the most vulgar things in general while in the house. Amanda was already backpedaling on McCranda, saying they needed to "talk" because it had been 2 weeks since they'd gotten to speak. She also said she didn't think she was bullying, but things were taken out of context and that people just don't like a strong and opinionated woman. How she got to dodge the racial comments, I'll never understand as she mocked Candice about as badly as anyone could. Aaryn might have done it over the course of more time, but that one competition with Amanda making fun of Candice was one of the worst things that I saw this entire season and it actually even made the tv edit. Don't know what to say about GM. Nothing can excuse the things she said, but she's clearly the most ignorant of the houseguests, not Aaryn, and possibly she'll learn or maybe not. She definitely had her moments of being genuinely likable to go along with all of the hateful stuff. I think she would have beaten Spencer, but I also think she'd have taken Andy to the end knowing full well she'd lose $450,000 so there obviously is a good person inside of there. I still don't like Andy, but he deserved to win and he would have mopped the floor with the jury even if he had taken Spencer. Still, he didn't just trash talk either. I mean, this summer the things people said about other houseguests was really on an entirely different level than I've seen before and Andy was very much apart of that too. He had just won 500k and I have no doubt that I could read his face when Elissa won AFHG and he couldn't just be happy for her, despite getting a check for $475,000 more than her. And Spencer leaned over and said something ugly about it to Andy when she won as well. Helen was at least consistent, because she seemed incredibly happy for Andy that he won. Finally, why wouldn't Nick play along with the GM thing? She kept him relevant in a way non-jurors are ever relevant in other seasons. He'll probably profit in some way from the attention even more than he already has. And please let the last rumor out there, that Grodner suggested to Amanda to get into a showmance to possibly be cast in a future season of The Amazing Race be totally false. If AG stays on, they'll probably bring her back as a villain for the next all-star season. Now on to Survivor and the finale of Rivals 2 next week!! I guess this will go down as my last rant of the summer. :) |
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