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Old 05-21-13 | 01:40 PM
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Re: Does Batman and Superman Animated Series from the 1990s still hold up today?

Batman TAS and Justice League are some of the best animation IMO. Batman Beyond was great also.
Old 05-21-13 | 01:58 PM
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Re: Does Batman and Superman Animated Series from the 1990s still hold up today?

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Wow. You two guys are the only 2 people I've seen that doesn't love the X-Men cartoon. It's great, and it does still hold up. When it came out, I made sure to get the versions with the slipcovers. It's a great show.
I did love the X-Men cartoon at the time, but it feels really dated now. The voice acting and animation are nowhere near BAS or SAS and everything about it reeks of the early 90s...especially Jubilee, who is a terrible character and is often the center of attention.

In contrast, the stylized look of BAS (dark and noir) and SAS (bright and futuristic) along with top notch voice acting and music make them feel timeless by comparison. Other than the aspect ratio and the video grain in early Batman episodes, they could have been made yesterday.

Maybe I'll give X-Men another shot, but those first few episodes were a real let-down from how fondly I remembered the show.
Old 05-21-13 | 02:21 PM
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I've already expressed my opinion about Batman: The Animated Series numerous times over. I think it's simply one of the best shows of all time personally. Animation or live action it's just so well written and the way it was stylized it seems to have a timeless look to it if you ask me. I think the show was written in such a way where it was kid friendly but yet not so dumbed down (like a lot of modern animation) that an adult can't enjoy it. I could (and have) watched it numerous times over and not get sick of it. Also Kevin Conroy will always be the definitive voice of Batman in my mind and Mark Hamill's Joker is great too. The rest of the voice cast was fantastic as well.

I honestly didn't watch Superman: The Animated Series as much. I was never a big Superman fan growing up so I just never watched it very often. I just picked up the first volume for $10 at Walmart. I really need to watch the show more but from what I remember it was decent.
I agree with a lot of what you have said about BTAS. I loved the show as a kid. I bought the volume one set a couple of years ago, but I didn't watch the set right away and I put it away in a closet. Last year, The Hub started airing reruns and I then remembered about the DVDs. I enjoy the show as a adult and you are spot on about the writing. I think the writing is a huge part of why many people still love it. The posters on IMDB still love it.
Old 05-21-13 | 02:21 PM
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I did love the X-Men cartoon at the time, but it feels really dated now. The voice acting and animation are nowhere near BAS or SAS and everything about it reeks of the early 90s...especially Jubilee, who is a terrible character and is often the center of attention.

In contrast, the stylized look of BAS (dark and noir) and SAS (bright and futuristic) along with top notch voice acting and music make them feel timeless by comparison. Other than the aspect ratio and the video grain in early Batman episodes, they could have been made yesterday.

Maybe I'll give X-Men another shot, but those first few episodes were a real let-down from how fondly I remembered the show.
Yeah, I loved X-men when it was airing, but that show has not aged well at all. It was impressive how much of the X-men mythos they were able to cram into that show's run, but it never was crafted with the care of the DCAU.

And you're spot on about the voice acting. BTAS (and to a lesser extent Gargoyles) were the first action-drama cartoons that really made me notice voice acting.
Old 05-21-13 | 02:29 PM
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Re: Does Batman and Superman Animated Series from the 1990s still hold up today?

Andrea Romano and DCU have really elevated voice casting.
Old 05-21-13 | 03:32 PM
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Re: Does Batman and Superman Animated Series from the 1990s still hold up today?

Originally Posted by taffer
You think the 1980s TMNT series holds up?

I have heard that the 2003 series is much better, but I haven't seen it to know personally, and its not available on DVD.
Nostalgia is probably a contributing factor but I still laugh at the jokes.
Old 05-21-13 | 04:32 PM
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Re: Does Batman and Superman Animated Series from the 1990s still hold up today?

I watched Batman TAS during its initial run and then again in reruns and on DVD when my boys were younger and it still ranks as one of my favorite animated series. Sadly I don't get to watch it much these days but will catch snippets while channel surfing. I was never as interested in Superman but there are some really good episodes mixed in there as well.
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Re: Does Batman and Superman Animated Series from the 1990s still hold up today?

It still holds up really well today, I think the noir animation style helps with that. I never liked the redesign in the last season however; the style worked for Superman, but not Batman.

X-Men and Spider-Man are still good shows, but yeah, the animation has dated much worse. And from time to time there is a lot of slowdown and fuzziness, kind of reminds me of a Sega CD cutscene.
Old 05-21-13 | 04:53 PM
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Re: Does Batman and Superman Animated Series from the 1990s still hold up today?

Didn't they show the Batman series on Sunday nights in prime time on FOX back in 1992?

I remember watching it.
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Re: Does Batman and Superman Animated Series from the 1990s still hold up today?

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Didn't they show the Batman series on Sunday nights in prime time on FOX back in 1992?

I remember watching it on Sunday evenings too.
Yes, I remember too. Bruce Timm created a truly astounding work. It's a kid's show but it has such a wonderfully sophisticated mentality to it. The music is divine. The writing for the most part, was very good for its target audience. And the voice casting is nothing short of inspired (Paul Williams as The Penguin? Richard Moll as Two Face? Who'da thunk it?)

"Two-Face" parts I and II; "Dreams in Darkness"; and "Almost Got 'Im" have stuck with me many, many years after their initial release.
Old 05-21-13 | 09:15 PM
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Re: Does Batman and Superman Animated Series from the 1990s still hold up today?

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It still holds up really well today, I think the noir animation style helps with that. I never liked the redesign in the last season however; the style worked for Superman, but not Batman.
I wasn't much of a fan of the redesign on the animation style for the last season either. The stories were still top notch for the most part and I liked the addition of Tim Drake as Robin and that Dick Grayson became Nightwing (although he wasn't on as much) but a lot of the characters looked odd after they changed their looks.

Originally Posted by PatD
Yes, I remember too. Bruce Timm created a truly astounding work. It's a kid's show but it has such a wonderfully sophisticated mentality to it. The music is divine. The writing for the most part, was very good for its target audience. And the voice casting is nothing short of inspired (Paul Williams as The Penguin? Richard Moll as Two Face? Who'da thunk it?)

"Two-Face" parts I and II; "Dreams in Darkness"; and "Almost Got 'Im" have stuck with me many, many years after their initial release.
I totally forgot to mention the music for the series. Absolutely amazing work by Shirley Walker and company. I bought the two volumes of the original scores from the series from La-La Land Records. Great stuff.
Old 05-21-13 | 09:36 PM
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Re: Does Batman and Superman Animated Series from the 1990s still hold up today?

Originally Posted by DynamicKnight
X-Men and Spider-Man are still good shows, but yeah, the animation has dated much worse. And from time to time there is a lot of slowdown and fuzziness, kind of reminds me of a Sega CD cutscene.
For the sake of this and the previous discussion on X-Men, I watched a couple of episodes on Netflix today. It wasn't as bad as I remembered, but you're spot on for the animation. It often looks jerky like there are missing frames and the clarity isn't always there.

About half of the voice actors are pretty good, but almost everybody delivers their lines in a slightly stilted and overly dramatic way...kind of reminds me of William Shatner.

That said, there are a few story arcs that are well worth revisiting, and I'll be looking at some "best episodes" lists to check them out since they are so easy to stream on Netflix. At a minimum, I want to go back to some of the solo Wolverine episodes and the Phoenix Saga.
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Re: Does Batman and Superman Animated Series from the 1990s still hold up today?

Originally Posted by chess
For the sake of this and the previous discussion on X-Men, I watched a couple of episodes on Netflix today. It wasn't as bad as I remembered, but you're spot on for the animation. It often looks jerky like there are missing frames and the clarity isn't always there.
The show suffered from numerous animation problems during its run, resulting in episodes from Season 3 not airing until during the final season. The production order for the last two seasons are all over the place, resulting in a lot of continuity errors.

It's still my favorite cartoon from the 90s, and I think it's held up quite well.

As for TMNT, the 80s series can be hard to watch sometimes but I still appreciate it since it impacted me so much as a child. The 2003 series is out of print on DVD since Nickelodeon bought the property, but if you can find it in other ways (I don't know if its on Netflix or Amazon Instant), I recommend watching it. Great stories and decent animation.
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Re: Does Batman and Superman Animated Series from the 1990s still hold up today?

X-Men switched animation studios half way in, didn't they? I recall something to that effect as far as the variation in quality between episodes.
Old 05-22-13 | 05:30 AM
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Re: Does Batman and Superman Animated Series from the 1990s still hold up today?

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You think the 1980s TMNT series holds up?

I have heard that the 2003 series is much better, but I haven't seen it to know personally, and its not available on DVD.
I just saw a clip of the eighties Turtles and it is rather painful, cool as a kid goofy as an adult while Batman holds still holds up to this day.

Originally Posted by fumanstan
X-Men switched animation studios half way in, didn't they? I recall something to that effect as far as the variation in quality between episodes.
I remember when something like the last few episodes changed animation which was odd.
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Re: Does Batman and Superman Animated Series from the 1990s still hold up today?

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I remember thinking the animation was crap when it first came out. It isn't one of those shows that I remember animation better then it really is. It was crap to begin with.
I remember it premiering around the same time as BTAS (maybe even the same week) and I was a HUGE X-Men fan at the time but recognized, even at 11 or 12 years old, that BTAS was a far far better show. It was cool to see characters I liked on X-Men but the animation, voice acting, writing, music etc were all light years behind BTAS. I've re-watched both and X-Men is still just ok. It's a decent children's animated show but BTAS is just a great show, regardless of format or audience.
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Re: Does Batman and Superman Animated Series from the 1990s still hold up today?

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I just saw a clip of the eighties Turtles and it is rather painful, cool as a kid goofy as an adult while Batman holds still holds up to this day.
The 80s Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles series still has it's charm and I don't mind it since I grew up with it but yeah. I can only watch so much of it at a time before tiring of it. I've never seen the 2003 version but have been curious about it. It seems like it was a bit more serious take on the characters.
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Re: Does Batman and Superman Animated Series from the 1990s still hold up today?

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X-Men switched animation studios half way in, didn't they? I recall something to that effect as far as the variation in quality between episodes.
The final six episodes were produced by an animation studio in the Phillippines, while the rest of the series was animatd by AKOM in Korea. The true fifth season (without the Season 3 holdovers) looks vastly different than the rest of the series because of this.
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Re: Does Batman and Superman Animated Series from the 1990s still hold up today?

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I remember thinking the animation was crap when it first came out. It isn't one of those shows that I remember animation better then it really is. It was crap to begin with.
It's NOT crap animation. It's some of the best.
Old 05-22-13 | 07:11 PM
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Re: Does Batman and Superman Animated Series from the 1990s still hold up today?

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It's NOT crap animation. It's some of the best.
I liked the show back when it aired and it's still okay story wise but the animation for a lot of the 90s Marvel stuff just doesn't hold up very well if you ask me.
Old 05-22-13 | 09:16 PM
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The 80s Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles series still has it's charm and I don't mind it since I grew up with it but yeah. I can only watch so much of it at a time before tiring of it. I've never seen the 2003 version but have been curious about it. It seems like it was a bit more serious take on the characters.
I also never saw the 2003 version, often it is just timing and once I was a teenager and adult my animated programs where mostly based on comic books which Turtles is, just one of those things. I have seen the newest one and aside from a couple having their heads too small I like the character models.

I also remember taking a look at Thundercats once I was older, yeah, the voice acting was horrible, stories were fine, I like the newest one that cancelled without a final!
Old 05-22-13 | 10:59 PM
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Re: Does Batman and Superman Animated Series from the 1990s still hold up today?

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I also never saw the 2003 version, often it is just timing and once I was a teenager and adult my animated programs where mostly based on comic books which Turtles is, just one of those things. I have seen the newest one and aside from a couple having their heads too small I like the character models.

I also remember taking a look at Thundercats once I was older, yeah, the voice acting was horrible, stories were fine, I like the newest one that cancelled without a final!
I was going to buy the DVD sets for the 2003 series but looking at Amazon what a mess they appear to be. There's season sets that are split into two volumes for seasons one and two but from there on out it gets messy. The rest of the seasons are split into a bunch of single releases it appears and I don't think the seventh (last season) is out at all.
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The stories were still top notch for the most part and I liked the addition of Tim Drake as Robin and that Dick Grayson became Nightwing.
Did they skip over Jason Todd and go straight from Dick to Tim? Poor Jason never gets any love.


Originally Posted by Mike86
I've never seen the 2003 version but have been curious about it. It seems like it was a bit more serious take on the characters.
From what I have heard, the 2003 series is actually pretty faithful to the original comic books.

(The first movie from 1990 was also faithful to the original comics with many scenes in the movie taken straight out of the comics. Then the second movie went completely bonkers and was more like the cartoon series.)


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I was going to buy the DVD sets for the 2003 series but looking at Amazon what a mess they appear to be. There's season sets that are split into two volumes for seasons one and two but from there on out it gets messy. The rest of the seasons are split into a bunch of single releases it appears and I don't think the seventh (last season) is out at all.
Yeah, I noticed that too. I wish it would get proper season sets.
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Andrea Romano and DCU have really elevated voice casting.

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