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superdeluxe 05-20-13 11:36 AM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "Second Sons" -- 5/19/13
 
Originally Posted by Sierra Disc (Post 11699011)
:banana: I'd like to plunge Melisandre's darkness, if you get what I mean....
I'd fight death with Melisandre anytime!

Groucho 05-20-13 11:46 AM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "Second Sons" -- 5/19/13
 
Originally Posted by fumanstan (Post 11699304)
I must be the only one that doesn't care for Sam.
We hates the fat crow! We hates it! Hates it! FOREVER!

superdeluxe 05-20-13 11:51 AM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "Second Sons" -- 5/19/13
 
Originally Posted by Josh-da-man (Post 11698992)

...and Seven Hells, could there be more foreshadowing?
care to explain this? Spoiler your response.

barelypure 05-20-13 12:57 PM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "Second Sons" -- 5/19/13
 
Originally Posted by Josh-da-man (Post 11698992)
Way to go, Samwell! First guy to bag a White Walker. Too bad he didn't recover the blade.

Sansa needs to put on her big girls pants and stop fretting about marrying Tyrion. She's married the heir to the wealthiest family in Westeros. He's smart, clever, charming, and kind. And, outside of her brother, he's the only guy who has the balls to stand up to King Shitfuck. Yeah, he's only three and a half feet tall and drunk, but considering most of the other people she's surrounded with, he's Prince Charming. And at least he's not a mean drunk.

...and Seven Hells, could there be more foreshadowing?
I know some are going to be mad saying I should have spoilered this but I don't know that it matters.

It seems that when he gets aroused he's 4 foot tall but he had to learn to balance... :D

EEz28 05-20-13 01:17 PM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "Second Sons" -- 5/19/13
 
Originally Posted by wishbone (Post 11699266)
Nice callback to the conversation between Tyrion and Varys prior to the Battle of the Blackwater last season.
Yeah, that was cool.
S2E08
http://i.imgur.com/BekTvz8h.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/kMy81ULh.png

hahn 05-20-13 01:28 PM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "Second Sons" -- 5/19/13
 
Did no one else make anything of Daario when he drew the square coin and uttered "valar morghulis"? The way he said it sounded a lot like Jaqen H'gar.

dalbowski 05-20-13 02:00 PM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "Second Sons" -- 5/19/13
 
Originally Posted by dalbowski (Post 11699029)
Perfect episode.
Scratch that. Near perfect as there was no Hodor.

dalbowski 05-20-13 02:04 PM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "Second Sons" -- 5/19/13
 
Originally Posted by hahn (Post 11699567)
Did no one else make anything of Daario when he drew the square coin and uttered "valar morghulis"? The way he said it sounded a lot like Jaqen H'gar.
I thought it sorta looked like the guy that Jaqen turned into but I thought he was headed somewhere more north (Pentos?) of where Yunkai is.

Noonan 05-20-13 02:05 PM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "Second Sons" -- 5/19/13
 
Jaqen is headed to Braavos. I think that's where the sqaure coin was from too, which could explain the phrase.

RoyalTea 05-20-13 02:15 PM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "Second Sons" -- 5/19/13
 
I know it created tension, but was there a reason that the lieutenant of the Second Sons had to sneak in as if he was going to carry out an assassination? Maybe he felt like he wouldn't be able to get close to Dany without being all sneaky, but I'd assume that having the heads of the two leaders would be more than enough evidence to convince her that he really wants to fight for her.

Why So Blu? 05-20-13 02:16 PM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "Second Sons" -- 5/19/13
 
Yeah, Dario could be Jaqen, but he would have had to have transformed yet again. Dario looked nothing like he did when we last saw him in season 2's transformation. I haven't read any of the books, so don't know if he's still even featured.

Noonan 05-20-13 02:18 PM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "Second Sons" -- 5/19/13
 
Originally Posted by RoyalTea (Post 11699637)
I know it created tension, but was there a reason that the lieutenant of the Second Sons had to sneak in as if he was going to carry out an assassination? Maybe he felt like he wouldn't be able to get close to Dany without being all sneaky, but I'd assume that having the heads of the two leaders would be more than enough evidence to convince her that he really wants to fight for her.
This was handled slightly differently in the book so I don't know what they're going for with the show.

Spoiler:
In the book, he comes in the middle of the night but is escorted by Jorah to see Dany with the heads. He didn't break into her tent.

Toonview 05-20-13 02:29 PM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "Second Sons" -- 5/19/13
 
Originally Posted by Noonan (Post 11699644)
This was handled slightly differently in the book so I don't know what they're going for with the show.

Spoiler:
In the book, he comes in the middle of the night but is escorted by Jorah to see Dany with the heads. He didn't break into her tent.
You could look at it a couple of ways:

1) He did it to demonstrate the level of his skill to Dany and to sort of have the upper hand while talking to her.

2) It was done that way to play with the audience by maintaining some tension in the scene.

No reason it couldn't be both of course.

Noonan 05-20-13 02:31 PM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "Second Sons" -- 5/19/13
 
Yeah, I agree with the 2nd point mostly. It made for a better reveal on TV.

wishbone 05-20-13 02:39 PM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "Second Sons" -- 5/19/13
 
Originally Posted by Noonan (Post 11699677)
Yeah, I agree with the 2nd point mostly. It made for a better reveal on TV.
http://i.imgur.com/tRyvW2s.gif

csant 05-20-13 02:48 PM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "Second Sons" -- 5/19/13
 
I like the way it was done for TV... Dany naked is always a good thing. =)

Dave99 05-20-13 03:17 PM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "Second Sons" -- 5/19/13
 
Originally Posted by CRM114 (Post 11699229)
Why wouldn't they cast a 12 year old as Sansa? It would totally change the character. Even her "14" isn't believable.
I think part of it is GRRM has said previously that he made the characters a bit too young. Maybe this is the way of 'fixing' that.

Dave99 05-20-13 03:20 PM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "Second Sons" -- 5/19/13
 
Originally Posted by RoyalTea (Post 11699637)
I know it created tension, but was there a reason that the lieutenant of the Second Sons had to sneak in as if he was going to carry out an assassination? Maybe he felt like he wouldn't be able to get close to Dany without being all sneaky, but I'd assume that having the heads of the two leaders would be more than enough evidence to convince her that he really wants to fight for her.
The unsullied probably aren't big on accepting logic, easier maybe to just kill him to be on the safe side.

Plus it shows that he is actually a badass, who made it past all the guards right into her tent.

ivelostr2 05-20-13 03:30 PM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "Second Sons" -- 5/19/13
 
Originally Posted by Dave99 (Post 11699743)
The unsullied probably aren't big on accepting logic, easier maybe to just kill him to be on the safe side.

Plus it shows that he is actually a badass, who made it past all the guards right into her tent.
I took it as a "look i snuck in here and could have killed you, but I'd rather serve you"

Kal-El 05-20-13 04:23 PM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "Second Sons" -- 5/19/13
 
Doesn't Sam have a bagfull of the Dragonglass? And didn't he tell Gilly as much last episode? That's was my reasoning for why he left it behind. He's got more. And he probably didn't want to touch it right after it killed the Walker on the off chance that it got contaminated.

I love quoting phrases from the book while watching the episodes and it annoys my wife to no end. In "The Climb", I kept on saying "The Wall protects itself" and last night I was all "Sam the Slayer!" even before the whole thing happened.

dalbowski 05-20-13 05:34 PM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "Second Sons" -- 5/19/13
 
Originally Posted by Why So Blu? (Post 11699641)
Dario looked nothing like he did when we last saw him in season 2's transformation.
Yeah, now that I think about it (and looking at the Daario gif). The guy Jaqen transformed into was older and uglier. But I guess that doesn't rule out that it is him. TV viewers don't know what the rules are for Jaqen's transformations (i.e can he do it anytime?)

Mordred 05-20-13 05:39 PM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "Second Sons" -- 5/19/13
 
Originally Posted by hahn (Post 11699567)
Did no one else make anything of Daario when he drew the square coin and uttered "valar morghulis"? The way he said it sounded a lot like Jaqen H'gar.
Originally Posted by Noonan (Post 11699620)
Jaqen is headed to Braavos. I think that's where the sqaure coin was from too, which could explain the phrase.
Valar Morghulis is High Valyrian and is a common saying in Essos (which is where they are) the response to which is Valar Dohaeris. I don't know what they'll do on the TV show, but I wouldn't read too much into it. I'm pretty sure Melisandre said it a week or two ago as well.

I think the meaning of the phrase has been in the TV show, but on the off change it's not it translates as:
Spoiler:
"All men must die" and the response is "All men must serve."

Dr. DVD 05-20-13 05:57 PM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "Second Sons" -- 5/19/13
 
Originally Posted by Shady12 (Post 11699351)
If you've not read the book, I encourage you NOT to read this spoiler.

Spoiler:
Been waiting to see this for 10 years.. Since reading the book I've had it pictured in my mind how I'd want it to be filmed. I hope they include Arya getting hit by the axe in this episode right after the RW.. Was such a double whammy gut punch..Reading the RW and then bam thinking Arya was taken out as well.

I always pictured seeing her start running from the Hound with the camera behind them, then we see Hound throw the axe..and the camera pans around/cuts to show her face as the axe flies towards her..and a thud, then the camera showing her face as she's lying on the ground> fade to black. So we're to assume she's dead until the next week. The internet will blow up.
That's how I envisioned it as well
Spoiler:
except I would just have her running towards the camera as the Hound throws the axe then we cut to black and hear the thud. Your way would definitely freak more people out. Either way, I hope we get something similar. Would seem like the ultimate punch in the nuts.


IF you have a chance check out photos from a recent GoT exhibition. Liam Cunningham, Maisie Williams, and Carice Van Houten were in attendance. Worth visiting just to see Ms. Van Houten in a black leather jacket. ;)

Bill Needle 05-20-13 07:36 PM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "Second Sons" -- 5/19/13
 
Originally Posted by Mordred (Post 11699886)
Valar Morghulis is High Valyrian and is a common saying in Essos (which is where they are) the response to which is Valar Dohaeris. I don't know what they'll do on the TV show, but I wouldn't read too much into it. I'm pretty sure Melisandre said it a week or two ago as well.
Missandei (the translator babe) said it when she was being quizzed by Daenerys (right after she traded for her), and Daenerys translated it back and added "But we are not men."

hahn 05-20-13 11:46 PM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "Second Sons" -- 5/19/13
 
Originally Posted by Mordred (Post 11699886)
Valar Morghulis is High Valyrian and is a common saying in Essos (which is where they are) the response to which is Valar Dohaeris. I don't know what they'll do on the TV show, but I wouldn't read too much into it. I'm pretty sure Melisandre said it a week or two ago as well.

I think the meaning of the phrase has been in the TV show, but on the off change it's not it translates as:
Spoiler:
"All men must die" and the response is "All men must serve."
I don't think you need to spoiler it. It was explained in the 3rd episode, when Daenerys had just acquired Missandei. They are walking and talking when Missandei says "valar morghulis". Daenerys replies, "Yes, all men must die...but we are not men." EDIT: Bill Needle got to it before me. :p

It was more the way Daario said it and the way he was turning the coin over in his hand. It suddenly reminded me of Jaqen. Plus, he seemed to kill the other two pretty easily. And Mero was half-titan (=giants??) so I assume he'd be a pretty tough foe.


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