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dex14 05-02-13 05:07 PM

Community - "Heroic Origins" 5/2/13
 
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Season 4, Episode 12
Episode Synopsis: Abed looks into the pasts of the study-group members and finds out their lives have been intertwined for years. Elsewhere, Chang concocts a plot to destroy Greendale. Original Air Date: May 2, 2013

Jimmy James 05-02-13 06:09 PM

Re: Community - "Heroic Origins" 5/2/13
 
The synopsis for this episode fills me with dread. This show really shouldn't come back.

Goat3001 05-02-13 07:34 PM

Re: Community - "Heroic Origins" 5/2/13
 
I liked it. Not as good as last weeks but better than most of this season.

Jimmy James 05-02-13 08:38 PM

Re: Community - "Heroic Origins" 5/2/13
 
Yeah that took what read as a tired show cliche and did something inventive. Nicely done. I'd say best of the season.

movieking 05-02-13 08:38 PM

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Wasn't really laugh out loud funny, more amusing than anything else. Chevy Chase is officially out of the show at this point, as you can tell from not showing him be the guy breaking the ice cream machine, as he did on a previous episode.

Fist of Doom 05-02-13 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by movieking (Post 11676206)
Wasn't really laugh out loud funny, more amusing than anything else. Chevy Chase is officially out of the show at this point, as you can tell from not showing him be the guy breaking the ice cream machine, as he did on a previous episode.

I didn't laugh a whole lot either, but still enjoyed it. Highlight was the dean finding the ladies top.

IIRC, they said Chevy would be in the season finale.

joefrog91 05-02-13 11:29 PM

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Second favorite of the season. The Dean finding the lingerie was priceless.

Some of McHale's line delivery was weird at the beginning. What's up with his hair? But other than that, I enjoyed it.

Favorite line was from one of the feminists. "I ate a burger and now I'm not so cold anymore."

fumanstan 05-03-13 12:42 AM

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I kind of enjoyed this; not a particularly creative story tying people together like that, but I did enjoy some of the flashbacks like Annie running through the window.

They didn't set up the Chang stuff very well at all.

Evan Meadow 05-03-13 02:57 AM

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The Chang subplot has slowly been building through previous episodes. The first time they showed him on the phone I was like "Has to be the other dean." And it worked well with everything we'd seen in past seasons so it was a great continuity episode.

Ayre 05-03-13 05:07 AM

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Thought it was a solid episode and I had a couple laugh out loud moments (dean holding lingerie).

The average episode under Harmon weren't any better than this. Hopefully, we will get an above average episode before it dies.

wmansir 05-03-13 06:13 AM

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I liked it, but I did get the feeling that it was trying a bit too hard at some points. Not so much the comedy but the drama bits. The Unbreakable/comic references seemed a bit on the nose as well. Something about the execution of that aspect of the show has been off all season.

My favorite line was also "I ate a hamburger the other day and suddenly I'm not cold all the time." I noticed that the last shot of that scene has a shot of Britta that seems to be showing off a "Greendale citizen of the Month" board that is full of the same girl's picture. It's not completely in focus, but it could be teen Annie.

joefrog91 05-03-13 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by wmansir (Post 11676597)

My favorite line was also "I ate a hamburger the other day and suddenly I'm not cold all the time." I noticed that the last shot of that scene has a shot of Britta that seems to be showing off a "Greendale citizen of the Month" board that is full of the same girl's picture. It's not completely in focus, but it could be teen Annie.

Thank you for giving the exact line. I knew I wasn't remembering it right.

I think the Greendale Citizen of the Month board was significant too.

Deftones 05-03-13 08:34 AM

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I thought it was great. While it didn't have a ton of laughs, I enjoyed the premise of it.

"Midichlorians." rotfl

CPA-ESQ. 05-03-13 08:48 AM

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This was a good episode.

I enjoyed the 'flashbacks'

What movie was Abed all pissed off about I think it was Phantom Menace (but that move came out in 1999)????

madcougar 05-03-13 09:10 AM

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Wow. It's funny how we all perceive things differently. The last few episodes have been crapped on by the majority, but I've enjoyed them all. This one is receiving mostly positive comments... and I thought it was pretty stinky. It felt way too forced for me to enjoy. And after watching New Girl do some flashbacks this week (that were some of the best I've ever seen), this episode felt phoned in to me.

rocket1312 05-03-13 09:31 AM

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I thought this episode was a fairly significant step down from last week. I'd say it was pretty average on the season 4 scale. Some random thoughts...

- I thought the concept was ok but I think the show is trying to pander to the audience a little too much by constantly referencing past episodes. I do need to rewatch and see if there are any background references that I missed.

- Like others, the joke about Britta's friend eating a hamburger and no longer being cold was the highlight line for me. Maybe the best line of the season.

- Were we supposed to be surprised by the reveal of the City College dean? Wasn't that basically the only person it could have been? The Chang stuff really hasn't worked for me this year. Maybe it would have been more developed with a full season, but it's felt like a complete afterthought. It's too bad because Chang admitting to Abed that all he ever wanted was to be a part of the group and finally being accepted should have been a nice moment for his character and was completely true to his arc over the course of the series, but it just felt tacked on as a way to establish Chang as Chase's defacto replacement in case there's another season.

- This episode really highlighted for me just how much the show's budget has been cut this year. All of the sets looked extremely cheap to me.

- Is it just me or is the timeline of this season getting really screwy? Christmas was just two weeks ago but the last two have had references to anniversaries (Britta/Troy's date, Chang defeated) that place them in the spring. All the talk of valedictorian and graduation would also suggest it's spring. I know they have graduations in the winter and Jeff was planning on graduating in the winter, but that wasn't the case for everyone else. I get that the episodes have been shuffled around this season and I'm probably just thinking about these things too much, but it still seems really weird.

- I thought the AV Club's review of this episode really mirrored how I've felt about this season. Here's an excerpt. I added the bolding for extra emphasis on the part that really sums it up best for me...

spoilered for size
Spoiler:
On its own terms, it’s a not-bad episode of the show, in a not-bad stretch of episodes that’s made me think if the show is renewed for a fifth season, it won’t be the worst thing in the world. Yet it’s also an episode explicitly designed to flatter the audience for knowing these characters’ back-stories, for remembering jokes and gags from past seasons. To a degree, all flashback sitcom episodes are like this. The aforementioned Cougar Town episode certainly was. (What put the New Girl episode a step above was the way that it used its flashbacks to tunnel down to the lonely adolescents that remained at the core of its characters.) In the first three seasons of Community, Greendale was a special place because it functioned as a tabula rasa, yes, but also because it forced its characters to confront their own shortcomings. In this season of Community, the shortcomings are all largely in the past, and something like Annie’s pill addiction or Britta’s political activism is played almost exclusively for laughs. Say what you will about the puppet episode, but at least it was trying something—even if you felt that something was against the characters as previously established or whatever. “Heroic Origins” turns knowing this show really, really well into an exercise in trivia contests.

The argument this whole season has been, “You wouldn’t be saying any of this if Dan Harmon was in charge!” And maybe that’s the case. Maybe Dan Harmon would have still been in charge of the show and would have turned the whole thing into exactly what we see before us. If you primarily watch the show to hang out with these characters or hear some funny jokes, I can absolutely see feeling like the shift has not been as palpable as those of us who feel it’s been detrimental have expressed (though I’d wager the show is also much less funny than it used to be). But I can think of maybe one or two moments this season when I felt like the show was really trying to expand my thought processes or what television can do, instead of just providing some laughs that boiled down the show to its most basic essence and tried to appease me with gentle comedy based in characters I’d loved. Put another way: Community has probably been a better show overall this season, but I’ve felt far more challenged by The Big Bang Theory, which is doing some interesting things in trying to push its core audience to new readings of its central characters (particularly Sheldon).

All of this might be a lot of words that aren’t really about this episode but about issues around this episode, but watching “Heroic Origins” left me with a smile on my face and an empty feeling in my belly. The old Community was very much an attempt to challenge the audience—and, not coincidentally, an occasionally terrifying trip through its creator’s brain. It didn’t always work, but it was reaching for something more 75 percent of the time. The new Community is fine, as these things go, but it’s also primarily interested in making sure the fans are happy. And there’s nothing wrong with that, but it’s not as interesting to discuss and dissect, at least for me. I’ve been detecting a certain detachment from the show in my own reviews this season, and in some of your comments. At first, I thought that was just holding the show to an impossible standard, but the more I think about it, the more I wonder if it’s just the natural response to a TV show I once loved becoming more and more about protecting the brand. There’s nothing wrong with still loving Community, but it’s become almost entirely a show about getting you to love Community, and that’s something I’ll always find just a bit hollow.

wmansir 05-03-13 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by joefrog91 (Post 11676613)
Thank you for giving the exact line. I knew I wasn't remembering it right.

A bit off topic, but..

I eventually watched my recording to get the exact wording right, but before that I tried a quick google search based on my recollection (which was also slightly off). I couldn't find any mention of the quote, but I found this article:

I'm not Vegan Anymore, by Alex Jamieson. She was Morgan Sprulock's girlfriend as seen in Super Size Me. It's a fairly interesting read, but not as entertaining as stuff like: this blog which has the comment section ripping her apart for being weak, justifying murder, etc. I know the hamburger line probably tweaked some perfectly fine vegan/vegetarians, but when I read the comments of these vegan assholes it makes me enjoy the joke even more.

fumanstan 05-03-13 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Evan Meadow (Post 11676540)
The Chang subplot has slowly been building through previous episodes. The first time they showed him on the phone I was like "Has to be the other dean." And it worked well with everything we'd seen in past seasons so it was a great continuity episode.

I wouldn't call a couple 1 minute scenes of Chang talking on the phone slowly building to anything. I just didn't like that they spent so little time on actually making that interesting, only to blow it all in this episode without much humor or payoff as far as Chang mailing that payment and the reveal of the other Dean.

movieking 05-03-13 12:01 PM

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I thought that the other dean was too obvious of a choice, so I was thinking that it might actually be Pierce as the big bad.

RichC2 05-03-13 12:23 PM

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Back up to a 1.2 demo ratings. This is almost a lock for renewal at this point, funny how much NBC was fallen in recent years.

Whitney and Go On will likely be Wednesday nights, Community and Parks and Rec on Thursday with whatever new shows they pump out. New Normal, Guys with Kids and 1600 Penn are almost certainly canceled.

boogieman03 05-03-13 12:35 PM

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I had to laugh at how quickly "Chang's" plot was resolved. Kinda silly.

Otherwise, I enjoyed this episode and laughed a few times. Is this season getting better, or have my expectations dropped?

Nice way to "hide" Chevy's absence.

marginal 05-03-13 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by wmansir (Post 11676767)
A bit off topic, but..

I eventually watched my recording to get the exact wording right, but before that I tried a quick google search based on my recollection (which was also slightly off). I couldn't find any mention of the quote, but I found this article:

I'm not Vegan Anymore, by Alex Jamieson. She was Morgan Sprulock's girlfriend as seen in Super Size Me. It's a fairly interesting read, but not as entertaining as stuff like: this blog which has the comment section ripping her apart for being weak, justifying murder, etc. I know the hamburger line probably tweaked some perfectly fine vegan/vegetarians, but when I read the comments of these vegan assholes it makes me enjoy the joke even more.

I'm a vegetarian, and it was the only line in the episode that made me laugh out loud.

I just hate this trend toward historical revisionism in sitcoms, where we found out *gasp* everybody was already connected! (My Name is Earl and Raising Hope are probably the worst, even though I still like those shows in spite of those moments.) It's so stupid, and it takes away from the basic premise of this show: that these folks had nothing connecting them to each other, and yet they became a family.

madcougar 05-03-13 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RichC2 (Post 11677030)
Back up to a 1.2 demo ratings. This is almost a lock for renewal at this point, funny how much NBC was fallen in recent years.

Whitney and Go On will likely be Wednesday nights, Community and Parks and Rec on Thursday with whatever new shows they pump out. New Normal, Guys with Kids and 1600 Penn are almost certainly canceled.

I can't imagine Community not being renewed at this point. The show could potentially see a bump next season as it's going to be syndicated at that point, and it has a very loyal base of viewers.

emachine12 05-03-13 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by wmansir (Post 11676597)
I noticed that the last shot of that scene has a shot of Britta that seems to be showing off a "Greendale citizen of the Month" board that is full of the same girl's picture. It's not completely in focus, but it could be teen Annie.

It was teen Annie.

Jimmy James 05-03-13 05:33 PM

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I have to be honest here -- the way this week's episode worked when I thought it would be a train wreck, the fact that they've been doing more and more group episodes as the season has progressed, and even that spoilered review posted above actually makes me feel a lot more comfortable about a renewal than I was even yesterday. I still think it's a bit of a hollow renewal, but frankly so was the last season of Newsradio (after the fact -- it got renewed before Phil died). There were some enjoyable things about it, and I'll find something to enjoy about a Community season five if it goes there.


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