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Community - "Heroic Origins" 5/2/13
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Season 4, Episode 12 Episode Synopsis: Abed looks into the pasts of the study-group members and finds out their lives have been intertwined for years. Elsewhere, Chang concocts a plot to destroy Greendale. Original Air Date: May 2, 2013 |
Re: Community - "Heroic Origins" 5/2/13
The synopsis for this episode fills me with dread. This show really shouldn't come back.
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Re: Community - "Heroic Origins" 5/2/13
I liked it. Not as good as last weeks but better than most of this season.
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Re: Community - "Heroic Origins" 5/2/13
Yeah that took what read as a tired show cliche and did something inventive. Nicely done. I'd say best of the season.
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Re: Community - "Heroic Origins" 5/2/13
Wasn't really laugh out loud funny, more amusing than anything else. Chevy Chase is officially out of the show at this point, as you can tell from not showing him be the guy breaking the ice cream machine, as he did on a previous episode.
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Re: Community - "Heroic Origins" 5/2/13
Originally Posted by movieking
(Post 11676206)
Wasn't really laugh out loud funny, more amusing than anything else. Chevy Chase is officially out of the show at this point, as you can tell from not showing him be the guy breaking the ice cream machine, as he did on a previous episode.
IIRC, they said Chevy would be in the season finale. |
Re: Community - "Heroic Origins" 5/2/13
Second favorite of the season. The Dean finding the lingerie was priceless.
Some of McHale's line delivery was weird at the beginning. What's up with his hair? But other than that, I enjoyed it. Favorite line was from one of the feminists. "I ate a burger and now I'm not so cold anymore." |
Re: Community - "Heroic Origins" 5/2/13
I kind of enjoyed this; not a particularly creative story tying people together like that, but I did enjoy some of the flashbacks like Annie running through the window.
They didn't set up the Chang stuff very well at all. |
Re: Community - "Heroic Origins" 5/2/13
The Chang subplot has slowly been building through previous episodes. The first time they showed him on the phone I was like "Has to be the other dean." And it worked well with everything we'd seen in past seasons so it was a great continuity episode.
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Re: Community - "Heroic Origins" 5/2/13
Thought it was a solid episode and I had a couple laugh out loud moments (dean holding lingerie).
The average episode under Harmon weren't any better than this. Hopefully, we will get an above average episode before it dies. |
Re: Community - "Heroic Origins" 5/2/13
I liked it, but I did get the feeling that it was trying a bit too hard at some points. Not so much the comedy but the drama bits. The Unbreakable/comic references seemed a bit on the nose as well. Something about the execution of that aspect of the show has been off all season.
My favorite line was also "I ate a hamburger the other day and suddenly I'm not cold all the time." I noticed that the last shot of that scene has a shot of Britta that seems to be showing off a "Greendale citizen of the Month" board that is full of the same girl's picture. It's not completely in focus, but it could be teen Annie. |
Re: Community - "Heroic Origins" 5/2/13
Originally Posted by wmansir
(Post 11676597)
My favorite line was also "I ate a hamburger the other day and suddenly I'm not cold all the time." I noticed that the last shot of that scene has a shot of Britta that seems to be showing off a "Greendale citizen of the Month" board that is full of the same girl's picture. It's not completely in focus, but it could be teen Annie. I think the Greendale Citizen of the Month board was significant too. |
Re: Community - "Heroic Origins" 5/2/13
I thought it was great. While it didn't have a ton of laughs, I enjoyed the premise of it.
"Midichlorians." rotfl |
Re: Community - "Heroic Origins" 5/2/13
This was a good episode.
I enjoyed the 'flashbacks' What movie was Abed all pissed off about I think it was Phantom Menace (but that move came out in 1999)???? |
Re: Community - "Heroic Origins" 5/2/13
Wow. It's funny how we all perceive things differently. The last few episodes have been crapped on by the majority, but I've enjoyed them all. This one is receiving mostly positive comments... and I thought it was pretty stinky. It felt way too forced for me to enjoy. And after watching New Girl do some flashbacks this week (that were some of the best I've ever seen), this episode felt phoned in to me.
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Re: Community - "Heroic Origins" 5/2/13
I thought this episode was a fairly significant step down from last week. I'd say it was pretty average on the season 4 scale. Some random thoughts...
- I thought the concept was ok but I think the show is trying to pander to the audience a little too much by constantly referencing past episodes. I do need to rewatch and see if there are any background references that I missed. - Like others, the joke about Britta's friend eating a hamburger and no longer being cold was the highlight line for me. Maybe the best line of the season. - Were we supposed to be surprised by the reveal of the City College dean? Wasn't that basically the only person it could have been? The Chang stuff really hasn't worked for me this year. Maybe it would have been more developed with a full season, but it's felt like a complete afterthought. It's too bad because Chang admitting to Abed that all he ever wanted was to be a part of the group and finally being accepted should have been a nice moment for his character and was completely true to his arc over the course of the series, but it just felt tacked on as a way to establish Chang as Chase's defacto replacement in case there's another season. - This episode really highlighted for me just how much the show's budget has been cut this year. All of the sets looked extremely cheap to me. - Is it just me or is the timeline of this season getting really screwy? Christmas was just two weeks ago but the last two have had references to anniversaries (Britta/Troy's date, Chang defeated) that place them in the spring. All the talk of valedictorian and graduation would also suggest it's spring. I know they have graduations in the winter and Jeff was planning on graduating in the winter, but that wasn't the case for everyone else. I get that the episodes have been shuffled around this season and I'm probably just thinking about these things too much, but it still seems really weird. - I thought the AV Club's review of this episode really mirrored how I've felt about this season. Here's an excerpt. I added the bolding for extra emphasis on the part that really sums it up best for me... spoilered for size Spoiler:
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Re: Community - "Heroic Origins" 5/2/13
Originally Posted by joefrog91
(Post 11676613)
Thank you for giving the exact line. I knew I wasn't remembering it right.
I eventually watched my recording to get the exact wording right, but before that I tried a quick google search based on my recollection (which was also slightly off). I couldn't find any mention of the quote, but I found this article: I'm not Vegan Anymore, by Alex Jamieson. She was Morgan Sprulock's girlfriend as seen in Super Size Me. It's a fairly interesting read, but not as entertaining as stuff like: this blog which has the comment section ripping her apart for being weak, justifying murder, etc. I know the hamburger line probably tweaked some perfectly fine vegan/vegetarians, but when I read the comments of these vegan assholes it makes me enjoy the joke even more. |
Re: Community - "Heroic Origins" 5/2/13
Originally Posted by Evan Meadow
(Post 11676540)
The Chang subplot has slowly been building through previous episodes. The first time they showed him on the phone I was like "Has to be the other dean." And it worked well with everything we'd seen in past seasons so it was a great continuity episode.
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Re: Community - "Heroic Origins" 5/2/13
I thought that the other dean was too obvious of a choice, so I was thinking that it might actually be Pierce as the big bad.
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Re: Community - "Heroic Origins" 5/2/13
Back up to a 1.2 demo ratings. This is almost a lock for renewal at this point, funny how much NBC was fallen in recent years.
Whitney and Go On will likely be Wednesday nights, Community and Parks and Rec on Thursday with whatever new shows they pump out. New Normal, Guys with Kids and 1600 Penn are almost certainly canceled. |
Re: Community - "Heroic Origins" 5/2/13
I had to laugh at how quickly "Chang's" plot was resolved. Kinda silly.
Otherwise, I enjoyed this episode and laughed a few times. Is this season getting better, or have my expectations dropped? Nice way to "hide" Chevy's absence. |
Re: Community - "Heroic Origins" 5/2/13
Originally Posted by wmansir
(Post 11676767)
A bit off topic, but..
I eventually watched my recording to get the exact wording right, but before that I tried a quick google search based on my recollection (which was also slightly off). I couldn't find any mention of the quote, but I found this article: I'm not Vegan Anymore, by Alex Jamieson. She was Morgan Sprulock's girlfriend as seen in Super Size Me. It's a fairly interesting read, but not as entertaining as stuff like: this blog which has the comment section ripping her apart for being weak, justifying murder, etc. I know the hamburger line probably tweaked some perfectly fine vegan/vegetarians, but when I read the comments of these vegan assholes it makes me enjoy the joke even more. I just hate this trend toward historical revisionism in sitcoms, where we found out *gasp* everybody was already connected! (My Name is Earl and Raising Hope are probably the worst, even though I still like those shows in spite of those moments.) It's so stupid, and it takes away from the basic premise of this show: that these folks had nothing connecting them to each other, and yet they became a family. |
Re: Community - "Heroic Origins" 5/2/13
Originally Posted by RichC2
(Post 11677030)
Back up to a 1.2 demo ratings. This is almost a lock for renewal at this point, funny how much NBC was fallen in recent years.
Whitney and Go On will likely be Wednesday nights, Community and Parks and Rec on Thursday with whatever new shows they pump out. New Normal, Guys with Kids and 1600 Penn are almost certainly canceled. |
Re: Community - "Heroic Origins" 5/2/13
Originally Posted by wmansir
(Post 11676597)
I noticed that the last shot of that scene has a shot of Britta that seems to be showing off a "Greendale citizen of the Month" board that is full of the same girl's picture. It's not completely in focus, but it could be teen Annie.
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Re: Community - "Heroic Origins" 5/2/13
I have to be honest here -- the way this week's episode worked when I thought it would be a train wreck, the fact that they've been doing more and more group episodes as the season has progressed, and even that spoilered review posted above actually makes me feel a lot more comfortable about a renewal than I was even yesterday. I still think it's a bit of a hollow renewal, but frankly so was the last season of Newsradio (after the fact -- it got renewed before Phil died). There were some enjoyable things about it, and I'll find something to enjoy about a Community season five if it goes there.
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Re: Community - "Heroic Origins" 5/2/13
Originally Posted by CPA-ESQ.
(Post 11676697)
This was a good episode.
I enjoyed the 'flashbacks' What movie was Abed all pissed off about I think it was Phantom Menace (but that move came out in 1999)???? |
Re: Community - "Heroic Origins" 5/2/13
I took this as more of a "Lost" homage than a superhero story.
The origin of "Pop pop!" made me LOL. |
Re: Community - "Heroic Origins" 5/2/13
Originally Posted by rocket1312
(Post 11676738)
- Is it just me or is the timeline of this season getting really screwy? Christmas was just two weeks ago but the last two have had references to anniversaries (Britta/Troy's date, Chang defeated) that place them in the spring. All the talk of valedictorian and graduation would also suggest it's spring. I know they have graduations in the winter and Jeff was planning on graduating in the winter, but that wasn't the case for everyone else. I get that the episodes have been shuffled around this season and I'm probably just thinking about these things too much, but it still seems really weird.
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Re: Community - "Heroic Origins" 5/2/13
Originally Posted by RichC2
(Post 11677030)
Back up to a 1.2 demo ratings. This is almost a lock for renewal at this point, funny how much NBC was fallen in recent years.
Whitney and Go On will likely be Wednesday nights, Community and Parks and Rec on Thursday with whatever new shows they pump out. New Normal, Guys with Kids and 1600 Penn are almost certainly canceled. Go On is still 3 Seasons away from Syndication was hitting ratings on par or lower than Community. Whitney is 2 Seasons away as well. |
Re: Community - "Heroic Origins" 5/2/13
They have to renew something besides Parks to have a credible two hour Thursday block (or on some other day). I have figured it would be Go On, but it's very true that Sony might give more Community away so cheaply that it could go that way instead. It could also come down to some bundling with a different show.
I have no idea how development has gone for NBC or whether they'd renew more than just two comedies. |
Re: Community - "Heroic Origins" 5/2/13
Originally Posted by wmansir
(Post 11677940)
Perhaps they shuffled episodes around to spread out the few they had in the can before Chevy left the show.
Basic Human Anatomy came next and the group was worried about their final projects which would make sense because the semester should be ending right around Christmas. However, Troy and Britta's anniversary of their first date (which was what the whole episode was about) took place in the spring last year. Likewise, Heroic Origins, which had the group preparing for their history final, also had Chang referencing the anniversary of his regime at Greendale being toppled, which obviously took place at the end of last season, thus in the spring. The only way it makes sense is that this history class somehow went from a 1 semester class to a two semester class and that most of the spring semester was completely skipped over in the timeline. But that doesn't really make sense in terms of the story because Jeff's number one concern was to graduate early and his attitude towards their history assignments wouldn't suggest that anything had changed. Before anyone gets worked up about all of this and labels me a whiny, nit picky, super geek, I totally understand that the 13 episode season completely wrecks the 1 season = 1 school year dynamic and that the uncertainty of the show's future as well as the departure of Chevy Chase probably meant that the back half of the season's production was pretty chaotic. I also acknowledge that none of this really matters. It's just something that I noticed and figured I'd share with the board. |
Re: Community - "Heroic Origins" 5/2/13
Originally Posted by Jimmy James
(Post 11677975)
They have to renew something besides Parks to have a credible two hour Thursday block (or on some other day). I have figured it would be Go On, but it's very true that Sony might give more Community away so cheaply that it could go that way instead. It could also come down to some bundling with a different show.
I have no idea how development has gone for NBC or whether they'd renew more than just two comedies. |
Re: Community - "Heroic Origins" 5/2/13
Was that Chevy or a body double for Pierce's cameo at the end?
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Re: Community - "Heroic Origins" 5/2/13
Originally Posted by HUG-H
(Post 11678251)
Was that Chevy or a body double for Pierce's cameo at the end?
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Re: Community - "Heroic Origins" 5/2/13
This was a fun one.
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