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Buttmunker 03-19-13 03:42 PM
Re: The Walking Dead -- "Prey" -- 3/17/13
 
Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 11620853)
even sitcoms like Seinfeld have something to say)
No-oo, silly-dilly, Seinfeld was a show about nothing! ;)

Buttmunker 03-19-13 03:43 PM
Re: The Walking Dead -- "Prey" -- 3/17/13
 
Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 11620853)
And I'm fine if a show has very little depth, but in lacking depth, it should at least be fun and not take itself so goddamn seriously like this show does.
Survival is a gosh-darn serious business, mister! How dare you!

argh923 03-19-13 03:46 PM
Re: The Walking Dead -- "Prey" -- 3/17/13
 
Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 11620853)
And yet most good shows are like this (Mad Men, Justified, Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones, even sitcoms like Seinfeld have something to say), or at least allow you to do the digging on your own, even if it's unintended. Walking Dead just can't work like that. I guess my frustration is that there's noting smart about this show. Not that it's always dumb, just that it's never smart.

And I'm fine if a show has very little depth, but in lacking depth, it should at least be fun and not take itself so goddamn seriously like this show does.

Also, what's the end game? I really don't see this show ending in any satisfying way whatsoever.
But these are not "plot holes" or "inconsistencies" in the show...just your problem with what the show is, or your interpretation of what it is.

Buttmunker 03-19-13 03:48 PM
Re: The Walking Dead -- "Prey" -- 3/17/13
 
Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 11620853)
Also, what's the end game? I really don't see this show ending in any satisfying way whatsoever.
That's what we have to wait and find out. Frankly, I don't see this show ending in a satisfactory way for the "good guys," because, well, it's a bleak and horrid existence. No way it should end in a satisfactory way - like Will Smith at the end of I Am Legend.

It's gotta suck real bad for Carl. You tell a child he's not allowed to let down his guard, can't play with other children, deprived of a childhood...just bad news.

hanshotfirst1138 03-19-13 04:42 PM
Re: The Walking Dead -- "Prey" -- 3/17/13
 
I think the governor might be thinking of filming Saw VIII or Hostel IV next week...

Originally Posted by Buttmunker (Post 11620865)
Survival is a gosh-darn serious business, mister! How dare you!
Yeah, I mean this show does deal with pretty dark subject matter.

Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 11620853)
Also, what's the end game? I really don't see this show ending in any satisfying way whatsoever.
I don't know if Kirkman has an endpoint plotted out for the comics either. To be honest, in both cases, I think it'll continue as long as the money flows in. How long the money flowing will correlate with the creative quality of any work of art is obviously up to individual interpretation. But I'm enjoying the show OK so far, it takes so long for them to get episodes in the can that it doesn't seem too oversaturated yet.

Originally Posted by Buttmunker (Post 11620872)
That's what we have to wait and find out. Frankly, I don't see this show ending in a satisfactory way for the "good guys," because, well, it's a bleak and horrid existence. No way it should end in a satisfactory way - like Will Smith at the end of I Am Legend.
Then what's the point though? I'm not saying that it has to end happily with roses and magic, but if all something is about is continuing, grueling survival, to steal an example I once read somewhere, wouldn't that be like watching the opening of Saving Private Ryan over and over for hours? I mean, it might make for a powerful statement about violence or against war, but it probably wouldn't make for good drama. The sow has to eventually go somewhere. Though realistically, you may be right, but if that's the case, I'd have to wonder why anyone would keep going.

dhmac 03-19-13 05:20 PM
Re: The Walking Dead -- "Prey" -- 3/17/13
 
Originally Posted by fumanstan (Post 11619466)
Yeah, I didn't get the point of that flashback. I thought it would have been more interesting to have Michonne give some back story and maybe show a stronger relationship between Andrea and her, but it was the same stupid stuff we saw when she was first introduced.
Yeah, although I liked the rest of the episode, that flashback didn't add much to the episode or to the show.

Although I'm sure that I'm in the minority on this, but I would actually like to see some flashbacks on the show that are to things before the zombie apocalypse started. I know that would be a lot like LOST, but I think a few here and there would really help fill in some of the characters depth-wise, to know what they were like before the world went to hell.

fumanstan 03-19-13 05:31 PM
Re: The Walking Dead -- "Prey" -- 3/17/13
 
Originally Posted by dhmac (Post 11621054)
Yeah, although I liked the rest of the episode, that flashback didn't add much to the episode or to the show.

Although I'm sure that I'm in the minority on this, but I would actually like to see some flashbacks on the show that are to things before the zombie apocalypse started. I know that would be a lot like LOST, but I think a few here and there would really help fill in some of the characters depth-wise, to know what they were like before the world went to hell.
Yeah, they have had a few of those before that have been nice, like flashbacks to Lori and Shane.

Coral 03-19-13 07:49 PM
Re: The Walking Dead -- "Prey" -- 3/17/13
 
Crappy episode. Nothing much was accomplished... it ended not much different than it started except Andrea is tied up and the Gov. doesn't trust Milton. Those are things that could've been achieved while other things happened, instead of being the only thing that happened during a filler show.

I would normally have had no problem with them killing off Andrea, but I'd be pissed if she's killed off coming so close to the prison since it was essentially the majority of the episode.

Too many episodes this season where we see only the prison or only Mayberry... or only a few characters from the prison. They feel too much like bottle episodes - and to have this many that felt like it is not good.

sracer 03-19-13 09:07 PM
Re: The Walking Dead -- "Prey" -- 3/17/13
 
Originally Posted by hanshotfirst113 (Post 11620984)
I don't know if Kirkman has an endpoint plotted out for the comics either. To be honest, in both cases, I think it'll continue as long as the money flows in. How long the money flowing will correlate with the creative quality of any work of art is obviously up to individual interpretation. But I'm enjoying the show OK so far, it takes so long for them to get episodes in the can that it doesn't seem too oversaturated yet.

Then what's the point though? I'm not saying that it has to end happily with roses and magic, but if all something is about is continuing, grueling survival, to steal an example I once read somewhere, wouldn't that be like watching the opening of Saving Private Ryan over and over for hours? I mean, it might make for a powerful statement about violence or against war, but it probably wouldn't make for good drama. The sow has to eventually go somewhere. Though realistically, you may be right, but if that's the case, I'd have to wonder why anyone would keep going.
I love the show... over time I've come to appreciate the slowness of season 2, but generally speaking, there's a repeating pattern...

The new character (CDC Dr. Jenner, Hershel ,Governor) isn't what he seems at first glance. Even in Vatos, they flipped the script and had the Latino thugs end up being nursing home caregivers.

Season 1 appeared to have a "cinematic pacing" whereas subsequent seasons seemed to settle in to a traditional "episodic pacing".

Josh-da-man 03-19-13 10:49 PM
Re: The Walking Dead -- "Prey" -- 3/17/13
 
Originally Posted by Lastblade (Post 11620247)
I am guessing Milton will save Andrea (after Gov had his fun).
In the comics, The Governor made a human centipede out of Merle, Michonne, and Andrea. He planned to add all of the other prison group onto it, but Milton freed the three before he could complete it. It was really gross... Merle was the head of the centipede and the Governor fed him nothing but the last known Taco Bell food left in the world.

Gizmo 03-20-13 12:26 AM
Re: The Walking Dead -- "Prey" -- 3/17/13
 
Originally Posted by argh923 (Post 11620250)
Actually, they are. Again - show me something that can't be easily explained.
Are you Chris Hardwick?

Lastblade 03-20-13 07:51 AM
Re: The Walking Dead -- "Prey" -- 3/17/13
 
Originally Posted by Josh-da-man (Post 11621398)
In the comics, The Governor made a human centipede out of Merle, Michonne, and Andrea. He planned to add all of the other prison group onto it, but Milton freed the three before he could complete it. It was really gross... Merle was the head of the centipede and the Governor fed him nothing but the last known Taco Bell food left in the world.
I would watch it if Andrea is the tail.

Buttmunker 03-20-13 07:55 AM
Re: The Walking Dead -- "Prey" -- 3/17/13
 
Originally Posted by Josh-da-man (Post 11621398)
In the comics, The Governor made a human centipede out of Merle, Michonne, and Andrea. He planned to add all of the other prison group onto it, but Milton freed the three before he could complete it. It was really gross... Merle was the head of the centipede and the Governor fed him nothing but the last known Taco Bell food left in the world.
Therein lies the difference between comic books and television. How in hell do you keep parts of human beings alive if you cut them up into pieces? Unless, of course, you kill them first, let them turn, then "melt" them together by fire, like what happened to those Biters in the pit-fire.

But that would be so farcical, as to make you laugh. [Tom Hanks]There's no laughing in the Zombie Apocaplyse![/Tom Hanks]

argh923 03-20-13 08:20 AM
Re: The Walking Dead -- "Prey" -- 3/17/13
 
Originally Posted by GizmoDVD (Post 11621457)
Are you Chris Hardwick?
Are you going to add anything useful to the conversation, or are you just going to keep trolling?

Buttmunker 03-20-13 08:22 AM
Re: The Walking Dead -- "Prey" -- 3/17/13
 
Originally Posted by argh923 (Post 11621617)
Are you going to add anything useful to the conversation, or are you just going to keep trolling?
Don't answer that, Gizmo! It's one of them dad-gum rhetorical questions!

superdeluxe 03-20-13 08:40 AM
Re: The Walking Dead -- "Prey" -- 3/17/13
 
Originally Posted by Buttmunker (Post 11620872)
That's what we have to wait and find out. Frankly, I don't see this show ending in a satisfactory way for the "good guys," because, well, it's a bleak and horrid existence. No way it should end in a satisfactory way - like Will Smith at the end of I Am Legend.

It's gotta suck real bad for Carl. You tell a child he's not allowed to let down his guard, can't play with other children, deprived of a childhood...just bad news.
Maybe not a milk and honey ending, but it better at least be bittersweet.

Troy Stiffler 03-20-13 08:42 AM
Re: The Walking Dead -- "Prey" -- 3/17/13
 
I have to start bailing on these Walking Dead threads after page 2.

superdeluxe 03-20-13 08:43 AM
Re: The Walking Dead -- "Prey" -- 3/17/13
 
Originally Posted by hanshotfirst113 (Post 11620984)


Then what's the point though? I'm not saying that it has to end happily with roses and magic, but if all something is about is continuing, grueling survival, to steal an example I once read somewhere, wouldn't that be like watching the opening of Saving Private Ryan over and over for hours? I mean, it might make for a powerful statement about violence or against war, but it probably wouldn't make for good drama. The sow has to eventually go somewhere. Though realistically, you may be right, but if that's the case, I'd have to wonder why anyone would keep going.
Totally agree. We don't mind horrible things happening to the people we like, but eventually we would like to see some sort of positive outcome for the characters that we have followed.

argh923 03-20-13 08:43 AM
Re: The Walking Dead -- "Prey" -- 3/17/13
 
Originally Posted by Buttmunker (Post 11621619)
Don't answer that, Gizmo! It's one of them dad-gum rhetorical questions!
:lol:

Gizmo 03-20-13 09:09 AM
Re: The Walking Dead -- "Prey" -- 3/17/13
 
Originally Posted by argh923 (Post 11621617)
Are you going to add anything useful to the conversation, or are you just going to keep trolling?
Are you going to stop trying to explain away every plot hole with this show? It's poor writing.

You seem to not want to allow anyway to have any issues with the show/episode. It's just getting sad now. Plenty of people are posting in this thread how poor the writing is, how things don't make sense and here comes Chris Hardwick to defend it.

Big Boy Laroux 03-20-13 09:15 AM
Re: The Walking Dead -- "Prey" -- 3/17/13
 
Originally Posted by Buttmunker (Post 11621597)
Therein lies the difference between comic books and television. How in hell do you keep parts of human beings alive if you cut them up into pieces?
Someone needs to google "Human Centipede"... How can you be on DVDTalk and not know this? :)

argh923 03-20-13 09:21 AM
Re: The Walking Dead -- "Prey" -- 3/17/13
 
Originally Posted by GizmoDVD (Post 11621667)
Are you going to stop trying to explain away every plot hole with this show? It's poor writing.

You seem to not want to allow anyway to have any issues with the show/episode. It's just getting sad now. Plenty of people are posting in this thread how poor the writing is, how things don't make sense and here comes Chris Hardwick to defend it.
I've asked people to state the things that "don't make sense". I've heard one, which I explained. It's not poor writing, it's people not sitting down and actually thinking about the show. It's not poor writing at all.

Again, show me the "plot holes".

If people have issues with the show for what it is, that's fine. But people are complaining about "plot holes" that are easily explained.

Now, an example of a valid complaint? The fact that every person on the show is an expert with a gun, and always can get clean headshots. That = valid complaint. Wondering how the Governor gets ahead of Andrea when a.) she's clearly exhausted and winded and b.) HE HAS A VEHICLE does not = valid complaint.

Gizmo 03-20-13 09:25 AM
Re: The Walking Dead -- "Prey" -- 3/17/13
 
Originally Posted by argh923 (Post 11621688)
I've asked people to state the things that "don't make sense". I've heard one, which I explained. It's not poor writing, it's people not sitting down and actually thinking about the show. It's not poor writing at all.

Again, show me the "plot holes".

If people have issues with the show for what it is, that's fine. But people are complaining about "plot holes" that are easily explained.

Now, an example of a valid complaint? The fact that every person on the show is an expert with a gun, and always can get clean headshots. That = valid complaint. Wondering how the Governor gets ahead of Andrea when a.) she's clearly exhausted and winded and b.) HE HAS A VEHICLE does not = valid complaint.
No point. You would defend anything that silly shows throws at you.

superdeluxe 03-20-13 09:29 AM
Re: The Walking Dead -- "Prey" -- 3/17/13
 
:lol:

argh923 03-20-13 09:42 AM
Re: The Walking Dead -- "Prey" -- 3/17/13
 
Originally Posted by GizmoDVD (Post 11621691)
No point. You would defend anything that silly shows throws at you.
If it's logical, yep. I won't defend things that can't be explained.


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