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bluetoast 02-21-13 12:02 AM

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Also why the hell would it be Milton (not Dilton, this isn't Archie folks) when he was clearly in Woodbury when Andrea was questioning him.

Plus why would Milton, the top science guy, be placed in a situation where he is directly in the line of fire? Do you really think the Governor is stupid enough to put a key guy in harm's way like that? :lol:

Giantrobo 02-21-13 12:16 AM

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Am I the only one who gave a sigh of relief when Axel was shot? I thought they were gonna hook those two up. Gross.

Terminal 02-21-13 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by orangerory (Post 11586447)
My guess: I think the driver was Milton - he was wearing a wig to look like Andrea so that the folks in the prison would think she turned on them.

A wig? Seriously? A wig? Why would they put a wig on him to make the group think Andrea turned on them if her presence is currently in question?

And why would Milton wear body armor when he's still convinced zombies can be reasoned with and conditioned?

And why would the Governor place his number one man in the line of fire during a war?

McFly! Think, McFly!

TGM 02-21-13 06:25 AM

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http://i.imgur.com/KZkrsS2.jpg

most interesting fact of the lot is the 5000:1 ratio of zombies to humans.

majorjoe23 02-21-13 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Terminal (Post 11587348)
A wig? Seriously? A wig? Why would they put a wig on him to make the group think Andrea turned on them if her presence is currently in question?

And why would Milton wear body armor when he's still convinced zombies can be reasoned with and conditioned?

And why would the Governor place his number one man in the line of fire...

I thought Milton was trying to condition the zombies at the Governor's request. We've already seen proof that he fears them and knows the damage they can do, as evidenced by the protective gear he put on while gathering them up.

He only seems to work on one at a time. Even if he was working on 30 or so, why would he use he research stock for the raid and not random zombies?

Also, during the episode the governor said he had thought Merle wa his right hand man and it seemed pretty clear he was looking for proof of loyalty. He also admitted to Andrea that his hopes of conditioning the zombies as a way to improve Penny's condition was foolhardy, so no doubt Milton's worth dropped a bit in the govenor's eyes.

In short, your Dragon Tattoo impersonation makes about as much sense as a screen door on a battleship.

RocShemp 02-21-13 07:59 AM

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I noticed the blood spatter on Rick's shirt but assumed it was just a happy acciddent.

Terminal 02-21-13 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by majorjoe23 (Post 11587415)
I thought Milton was trying to condition the zombies at the Governor's request. We've already seen proof that he fears them and knows the damage they can do, as evidenced by the protective gear he put on while gathering them up.

He only seems to work on one at a time. Even if he was working on 30 or so, why would he use he research stock for the raid and not random zombies?

Also, during the episode the governor said he had thought Merle wa his right hand man and it seemed pretty clear he was looking for proof of loyalty. He also admitted to Andrea that his hopes of conditioning the zombies as a way to improve Penny's condition was foolhardy, so no doubt Milton's worth dropped a bit in the govenor's eyes.

In short, your Dragon Tattoo impersonation makes about as much sense as a screen door on a battleship.

No, I was just messing around. I wasn't serious. I apologize.

majorjoe23 02-21-13 10:22 AM

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Me too, I just wanted to sign off with a Biff Tannen quote as well.

hanshotfirst1138 02-21-13 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by TallGuyMe (Post 11587408)
http://i.imgur.com/KZkrsS2.jpg

most interesting fact of the lot is the 5000:1 ratio of zombies to humans.

Interestingly, they actually do call them "zombies" in the comics.

Michael Corvin 02-21-13 12:44 PM

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I don't recall ever seeing the word zombie in the comic.

Buttmunker 02-21-13 12:50 PM

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were any of the "webisodes" included on a DVD release, or are they waiting to use it as "special features" when the Complete Series Boxset comes out?

Me007gold 02-21-13 01:03 PM

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So if Zombies outnumber humans 5000:1 whats the population of humans left?

Giantrobo 02-21-13 01:08 PM

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George Romero did the same thing by calling them Living Dead. Not Zombies. Right?

Buttmunker 02-21-13 01:11 PM

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There's this rationale about it: Zombies exist in "The Walking Dead" universe because they were never "imagined." Therefore, since they were never "imagined," the word "Zombie" never came about.

Guess there was never a 1960s band called "The Zombies," either.

Shazam 02-21-13 01:15 PM

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Genre blind.

RocShemp 02-21-13 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Buttmunker (Post 11587953)
were any of the "webisodes" included on a DVD release, or are they waiting to use it as "special features" when the Complete Series Boxset comes out?

The bicycle girl webisodes are in the standard edition of the season 1 BD set. I'm sure they were also ported over to the special edition.

The acting is pretty terrible, however. They're better in concept than execution.

majorjoe23 02-21-13 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by RocShemp (Post 11588009)
The bicycle girl webisodes are in the standard edition of the season 1 BD set. I'm sure they were also ported over to the special edition.

The acting is pretty terrible, however. They're better in concept than execution.

It was on the season 2 set.

Josh-da-man 02-21-13 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Buttmunker (Post 11587996)
There's this rationale about it: Zombies exist in "The Walking Dead" universe because they were never "imagined." Therefore, since they were never "imagined," the word "Zombie" never came about.

Guess there was never a 1960s band called "The Zombies," either.

Yeah, I think the term "zombie" was only used fairly early in the run of the comic before Kirkman decided that he didn't want the universe his story exists in to reference "zombie" movies.

The term zombie has a few meanings. In the stricted sense, "zombie" is derived from voodoo practices of raising the dead, which was later applied to the flesh eating ghouls of the Romero movies and their knock-offs. I'm not sure, but the origin of this term applied to the "living dead" might come from the European version of "Dawn of the Dead," which was retitled to "Zombi" and the Fulci sequel/knock-off that was called "Zombi 2" (and "Zombie" when it was released in the US).

It wouldn't surprise me if, in Kirkman's "Walking Dead" universe, the term zombie did exist, but only as either a voodoo practice, or as slang for a slow, witless person. Either way, it would be appropriate for someone to refer to the walkers as zombies even if they were unaware of "zombie movies."

Dragon Tattoo 02-21-13 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by hanshotfirst113 (Post 11587771)
Interestingly, they actually do call them "zombies" in the comics.

Rarely. Kirkman never intended to use it, but it snuck into the comic early on.

PhantomStranger 02-21-13 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragon Tattoo (Post 11588156)
Rarely. Kirkman never intended to use it, but it snuck into the comic early on.

It's his comic and he writes it. Did someone hold a gun to his head to include the word? Kirkman's pretension on this subject is ridiculous.

Dragon Tattoo 02-21-13 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by PhantomStranger (Post 11588179)
It's his comic and he writes it. Did someone hold a gun to his head to include the word?

Yes. It was a terrible ordeal.

Navinabob 02-21-13 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by PhantomStranger (Post 11588179)
It's his comic and he writes it. Did someone hold a gun to his head to include the word? Kirkman's pretension on this subject is ridiculous.

??? I'm not sure if you have ever read a comic book before. You see, a comic book is a constantly evolving work. A novel is written over a period of time, edited and revised, only to be issued at one time at completion. A comic book is written in stages over a period of years. This evolution can inspire changes in tone, direction, and characters. That is why Spider-Man can be a dark and brooding series for a bit, and then shift to more of a carefree funny book the next.

Feedback from fans, editors, and production crew can influence changes in direction & concept. This is especially true early on in a series where a writer can be finding their voice or working out the mythology of what they want to accomplish.

So he adjusted what he wanted in the series... big deal. I'm thinking someone else's pretension on this subject is even more ridiculous.

fumanstan 02-21-13 03:17 PM

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So what's the actual debate here? Either way zombie was used in the comic, I don't think Kirkman can retcon that no matter if he decided to avoid using the word later on.

Groucho 02-21-13 03:39 PM

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Ed: Are there any zombies out there?
Shaun: Don't say that!
Ed: What?
Shaun: That.
Ed: What?
Shaun: That. The Z word. Don't say it.
Ed: Why not?
Shaun: Because it's ridiculous!
Ed: Alright... Are there any out there, though?

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...tUsingTheZWord

Terminal 02-21-13 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RocShemp (Post 11588009)
The bicycle girl webisodes are in the standard edition of the season 1 BD set. I'm sure they were also ported over to the special edition.

The acting is pretty terrible, however. They're better in concept than execution.

Yeah, the Bicycle girl origin is a good idea on paper, but I didn't love them. It had its moments, for sure.

Same thing with the webisodes of Cold Storage. Good idea on paper.

Terminal 02-21-13 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Giantrobo (Post 11587987)
George Romero did the same thing by calling them Living Dead. Not Zombies. Right?

Yep. Flesh Eaters, Ghouls, monsters, things, walking dead, but never zombies.

Terminal 02-21-13 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TallGuyMe (Post 11587408)
http://i.imgur.com/KZkrsS2.jpg

most interesting fact of the lot is the 5000:1 ratio of zombies to humans.

They're also called Geeks in season one of the show.

Jason 02-21-13 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Terminal (Post 11588462)
They're also called Geeks in season one of the show.

I think the guys Rick and Hershell shot in that bar called them assholes (the walkers, that is).

Josh-da-man 02-21-13 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by PhantomStranger (Post 11588179)
It's his comic and he writes it. Did someone hold a gun to his head to include the word?

Todd McFarlane showed up at Kirkman's house one night severely intoxicated and wielding a semiautomatic 9mm handgun. He demanded that Kirkman refer to the walkers as zombies in the book because "that's what they goddman are!" or he would "shoot you in the fucking mouth!"

This incident, and the subsequent civil suit, is what set the wheels in motion for Kirkman to become a full-fledged Image partner.

Preterite 02-21-13 06:28 PM

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Todd McFarlane. Sooooo much to answer for....

hanshotfirst1138 02-21-13 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Corvin (Post 11587942)
I don't recall ever seeing the word zombie in the comic.

It was in one of the early issues, I've only read the first two trades.


Originally Posted by Giantrobo (Post 11587987)
George Romero did the same thing by calling them Living Dead. Not Zombies. Right?

In Night, they're generally referred to as "ghouls." The word "zombie" slips once in Dawn, probably by accident, I don't think it's ever mentioned in Day. It does get used in Land though, if my memory serves me.


Originally Posted by Buttmunker (Post 11587996)
Guess there was never a 1960s band called "The Zombies," either.

Shhhhhhhhh!


Originally Posted by RocShemp (Post 11588009)
The bicycle girl webisodes are in the standard edition of the season 1 BD set. I'm sure they were also ported over to the special edition.

The acting is pretty terrible, however. They're better in concept than execution.

Nicotero is the best in the makeup biz, but he's a bit green as a director.


Originally Posted by Josh-da-man (Post 11588115)
The term zombie has a few meanings. In the strictest sense, "zombie" is derived from voodoo practices of raising the dead, which was later applied to the flesh eating ghouls of the Romero movies and their knock-offs. I'm not sure, but the origin of this term applied to the "living dead" might come from the European version of "Dawn of the Dead," which was retitled to "Zombi" and the Fulci sequel/knock-off that was called "Zombi 2" (and "Zombie" when it was released in the US).

I remember watching that film with a friend of mine, we mostly MSTed the hell out of it given its exploitation fan hype. Except the money shot. The money shot is still and "oh wow" moment. I've been meaning to watch it again for years.


Originally Posted by Josh-da-man (Post 11588588)
Todd McFarlane showed up at Kirkman's house one night severely intoxicated and wielding a semiautomatic 9mm handgun. He demanded that Kirkman refer to the walkers as zombies in the book because "that's what they goddamn are!" or he would "shoot you in the fucking mouth!"

This incident, and the subsequent civil suit, is what set the wheels in motion for Kirkman to become a full-fledged Image partner.

It fascinates me that McFarlane has been able to become the media mogul multimillionaire that he has, interviews with him that I've seen always give me the impression that he's really spacey.


Originally Posted by Preterite (Post 11588595)
Todd McFarlane. Sooooo much to answer for....

The 90s Spawn TV show has its positives. The only comics work of his that I've read apart from the stuff in the Birth of Venom trade was the Spider-Man: Torment trade, which was one of the most unpleasant experiences of my life.

Terminal 02-21-13 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason (Post 11588521)
I think the guys Rick and Hershell shot in that bar called them assholes (the walkers, that is).

They called them lame brains.

Josh-da-man 02-21-13 09:35 PM

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For the record, the thing I posted about Todd McFarlane was a joke...

andicus 02-22-13 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Me007gold (Post 11587979)
So if Zombies outnumber humans 5000:1 whats the population of humans left?

Assuming 7 000 000 000 to start with, 1 400 000.

Evan Meadow 02-22-13 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Josh-da-man (Post 11588759)
For the record, the thing I posted about Todd McFarlane was a joke...

Yeah but if everyone here is Neil Gaiman fans, they're still going to say he's got a lot to answer for. And pay!

And if they're Tony Twist fans.......well that's a whole other thing.

mapasu 02-22-13 09:53 AM

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Has anyone attended these events? I have one here on March 7 and would like to try it.

http://www.fandango.com/invite-frien...2013&tid=AAGAD

Terminal 02-22-13 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Shannon Nutt (Post 11586466)
Yep, it was either mentioned on one of the commentaries on the Blu-rays (for Season 2) or by Glen Mazzara on TALKING DEAD's season finale last year.

I don't remember hearing about that. I know Holden was one of the people suspected of protesting Darabont's firing and asking to be written off the show, but we all know how that turned out.

During the episode where Dale dies, Mazzarra planned to also kill off Hershel, for some reason. But they opted not to.

Michael Corvin 02-22-13 03:33 PM

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While were discussing Holden/Laurie, I recently finished the 2nd Compendium and the character was giving me a Radha Mitchell (Pitch Black) vibe. I think she would have been better in the role and possibly less hated.

devilshalo 02-22-13 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Corvin (Post 11589644)
While were discussing Holden/Laurie, I recently finished the 2nd Compendium and the character was giving me a Radha Mitchell (Pitch Black) vibe. I think she would have been better in the role and possibly less hated.

Another thing to blame on Darabont. :p

Groucho 02-22-13 04:59 PM

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http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/1660/lholden2.jpg


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