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Adrian_Monk 01-16-13 03:33 PM

Re: Buffy The Sheep Slayer
 

Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 11543199)
Malcolm never existed. He was a fake identity used by Moloch. Moloch fooled Willow into having a relationship with him.

Also, the show makes it clear that Angelus is part of who Angel is. Would you argue that Spike is a different character pre-soul and post-soul?

So you're saying Angel and Angelus are the same character?

Arthur Dent 01-16-13 03:34 PM

Re: Buffy The Sheep Slayer
 

Originally Posted by JasonF (Post 11543178)
I'm going to assume Larry is describing my answer as pretty good. Pretty pretty good.

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cruzness 01-16-13 03:35 PM

Re: Buffy The Sheep Slayer
 

Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 11543054)
The same argument against Velma holds for Uatu.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

He is a Watcher

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Supermallet 01-16-13 03:35 PM

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That being said, wrong answers:

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Supermallet 01-16-13 03:37 PM

Re: Buffy The Sheep Slayer
 

Originally Posted by Adrian_Monk (Post 11543206)
So you're saying Angel and Angelus are the same character?

Well, first off, whether Angel and Angelus are the same is fairly irrelevant to the discussion, as none of the questions deal with Angel/Angelus. Second, you could make an argument that they are distinct, or you could make an argument that Angelus is Angel's dark side.

Again, do you consider pre-soul and post-soul Spike to be different characters?

Adrian_Monk 01-16-13 03:39 PM

Re: Buffy The Sheep Slayer
 

Originally Posted by JasonF (Post 11543197)
Not even close. Malcolm was just a disguise Moloch was using. Angel and Angelus had distinct personalities.

So what? Malcolm was the personality that Willow fell for. She had the feelings for and relationship with Malcolm.
Angel proved in "Eternity" that he could imitate the exact personality of Angelus without turning into Angelus which proves that the mind of the two of them is essentially the same. The difference between the two is their personality... Their character.

Supermallet 01-16-13 03:39 PM

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IIRC, isn't Giles in favor of killing Angel because he can never fully purge Angelus?

Supermallet 01-16-13 03:40 PM

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Anyway, Malcolm is a construct of Moloch's. He's just Moloch wearing a metaphorical mask.

JasonF 01-16-13 03:40 PM

Re: Buffy The Sheep Slayer
 

Originally Posted by cruzness (Post 11543209)

Booatu!

Adrian_Monk 01-16-13 03:43 PM

Re: Buffy The Sheep Slayer
 

Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 11543228)
Anyway, Malcolm is a construct of Moloch's. He's just Moloch wearing a metaphorical mask.

Fred and Illyria... Also same character apparently...

Arthur Dent 01-16-13 03:43 PM

Re: Buffy The Sheep Slayer
 

Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 11543226)
IIRC, isn't Giles in favor of killing Angel because he can never fully purge Angelus?

Well, Giles thought he was going to get laid...until Angelus snapped Jenny's neck. He was pretty pissed for a while.

Navinabob 01-16-13 03:44 PM

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Wait, Whedon wrote large chunks of Speed.

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-119334012.html


LOS ANGELES _ With his Los Angeles-set police drama "Boomtown" surviving the cut and returning to NBC this fall, Graham Yost has finally moved beyond "Speed," the hit 1994 movie about a Los Angeles bus wired to explode, for which he has screenplay credit.

"Listen," says the Canadian-born writer/producer, "for years I was the `Bus Guy.' When we were doing (the HBO space-race miniseries) `From the Earth to the Moon' _ I didn't do that as a conscious decision to not be the `Bus Guy,' but it helped."

And besides, Yost admits that he didn't even write all of "Speed." "Joss Whedon wrote 98.9 percent of the dialogue," he says. "We were very much in sync, it's just that I didn't write the dialogue as well as he did.
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,302555,00.html


De Bont brought in Joss Whedon to rework the script by removing the glib retorts and making the character more earnest, per Reeves' suggestion. "I dealt with the LAPD before on Point Break, and the thing that came off is their concern for human life: 'We get the bad guys, and we get to save the good guys,'" he explains. "And with that basic tenet I began with Jack."
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A 3rd-generation sitcom writer (his earliest post-college job was turning out teleplays for the Nielsen juggernaut “Roseanne”), Whedon immediately demonstrated a highly marketable faculty for resonant comic storytelling, one by turns edgy and disarming. He soon evolved into one of Hollywood’s most sought-after script doctors, earning alluring sums to cure expensive projects like “Speed” (1994), “Toy Story” (1995) and “Twister” (1996) – but was often denied screen credit for his considerable labors.
I think I should clearly get credit as "helped write" seeing as I can name both an interview with Joss and the credited script writer as a source.

Supermallet 01-16-13 03:44 PM

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Tea for two and two for tea...

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Adrian_Monk 01-16-13 03:45 PM

Re: Buffy The Sheep Slayer
 

Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 11543228)
Anyway, Malcolm is a construct of Moloch's. He's just Moloch wearing a metaphorical mask.

You don't fall in love with a shell. You fall in love with a personality. Whether or not that personality is genuine is irrelevant.

Supermallet 01-16-13 03:46 PM

Re: Buffy The Sheep Slayer
 

Originally Posted by Adrian_Monk (Post 11543231)
Fred and Illyria... Also same character apparently...

Illyria is an entirely other entity that used Fred's body as a vessel. The fact that she has some of Fred's memories does not make her Fred. Regardless, the question of whether or not a vampire is the same person with or without soul is an entirely different question as Moloch deliberately misleading Willow.


Originally Posted by Navinabob (Post 11543236)
Wait, Whedon wrote large chunks of Speed.

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-119334012.html



http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,302555,00.html



http://www.natoonline.org/infocus/05...hedonuncut.htm



I think I should clearly get credit as "helped write" seeing as I can name both an interview with Joss and the credited script writer as a source.

What does the crowd think? Is Speed unique or wrong?

Supermallet 01-16-13 03:47 PM

Re: Buffy The Sheep Slayer
 

Originally Posted by Adrian_Monk (Post 11543241)
You don't fall in love with a shell. You fall in love with a personality. Whether or not that personality is genuine is irrelevant.

She fell in love with Moloch who was pretending to be Malcolm. There is no real being who is Malcolm.

kgrogers1979 01-16-13 03:48 PM

Re: Buffy The Sheep Slayer
 

Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 11542930)
12. <FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #F9DF00">S:</font> The Scooby Gang and Team Angel encountered many organizations over the course of their adventures. Name one of them.

Well hell. I did think of both the Initiative and Wolfram and Hart, but I thought the question was asking for an organization that was in both shows. The Initiative was never in Angel, and Wolfram and Hart was never in Buffy. So I chose the Watcher's Council because that was all I could think of that was in both shows.

Supermallet 01-16-13 03:48 PM

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Tell you what, Adrian, either Malcolm is Moloch at +2 or he's a wrong answer (because he doesn't exist), which would give you +7 or something.

Supermallet 01-16-13 03:49 PM

Re: Buffy The Sheep Slayer
 

Originally Posted by kgrogers1979 (Post 11543247)
Well hell. I did think of both the Initiative and Wolfram and Hart, but I thought the question was asking for an organization that was in both shows. The Initiative was never in Angel, and Wolfram and Hart was never in Buffy. So I chose the Watcher's Council because that was all I could think of that was in both shows.

No wrong answers in Sheep. And I was just asking for an organization that either team encountered.

Supermallet 01-16-13 03:49 PM

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Okay, while I wait to hear on Speed, let me continue with the other answers for 19.

Arthur Dent 01-16-13 03:50 PM

Re: Buffy The Sheep Slayer
 

Originally Posted by Adrian_Monk (Post 11543231)
Fred and Illyria... Also same character apparently...

Lets say some guy on the Internet is pretending to be Scarlett Johansson. He sends you nude pics (and you weren't aware that these pics were actually available everywhere). You fall in love with "Scarlett." You eventually figure it out. What are you going to tell people?

Supermallet 01-16-13 03:52 PM

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chrisih8u 01-16-13 03:52 PM

Re: Buffy The Sheep Slayer
 
I vote yes on Speed.

Supermallet 01-16-13 03:52 PM

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All that's left are two sci-fi movies, one loved and one loathed.

Supermallet 01-16-13 03:54 PM

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If you chose fan-favorite Serenity...

Spoiler:
You made a wise decision.

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