Another "Walking Dead" showrunner steps down
#126
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Re: Another "Walking Dead" showrunner steps down
Relavance & forward motion? The group finds a place to hole up for a bit, a few die, place becomes overrun with zombies. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.
The show is one giant circle, albeit an entertaining one. Stepping outside that circle once in awhile could be interesting.
The show is one giant circle, albeit an entertaining one. Stepping outside that circle once in awhile could be interesting.
#127
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Re: Another "Walking Dead" showrunner steps down
They'd have nothing to contribute. They'd be like the "What if?" issues from Marvel.
What if Venom took over The Punisher?
It's a nice little wild card story, but it means nothing to the canon, overall.
I'm glad they never made the wild card episodes consistent.
What if Venom took over The Punisher?
It's a nice little wild card story, but it means nothing to the canon, overall.
I'm glad they never made the wild card episodes consistent.
#129
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#130
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Re: Another "Walking Dead" showrunner steps down
Who's to say they would have nothing to contribute? Why not check in on Morgan and Duane? Why not introduce Abraham's group and see them develop? Why not split the group?
You say "what if" doesn't contribute anything and there are plenty of "what if's" that would further along the story, especially given the repetitive nature of the show thus far.
It is absolutely formulaic, award winning or not.. the comic and the show.
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#131
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Re: Another "Walking Dead" showrunner steps down
I'd like to see Duane and Morgan in a one shot. Kirkman had an issue devoted to them for Christmas. But to say we could split time between Rick and Abraham's groups? Come on.
We're already focusing on Rick's group, Tyreese's group, Carl's dilemma, Daryl's dilemma, Andrea's stupid ass dilemma, and the governor, now you want to split up the major storylines? Goodness, no.
Just like a wild card episode would have.
P.S. For example, the webisodes "Torn Apart." They were initially going to be an episode, but thankfully were relegated to a web mini series.
Why?
Well, it's interesting to see how Bicycle Girl zombie became Bicycle Girl zombie, but it has no actual effect on the series at all. So a webisode series is much more convenient and sensible.
#132
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Re: Another "Walking Dead" showrunner steps down
Why do we need to split up the group? The story is about Rick Grimes. We don't need to visit Abraham yet. The story is on Rick and how the world revolves around Rick, you're of the mind set of deviating from the narrative drastically. One of the reasons Darabont failed.
I'd like to see Duane and Morgan in a one shot. Kirkman had an issue devoted to them for Christmas. But to say we could split time between Rick and Abraham's groups? Come on.
I'd like to see Duane and Morgan in a one shot. Kirkman had an issue devoted to them for Christmas. But to say we could split time between Rick and Abraham's groups? Come on.
Yeah, there are currently a lot of threads dangling from the finale, but I didn't mean immediately.
#133
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Re: Another "Walking Dead" showrunner steps down
Deviating drastically? Introducing a character an episode or more prior to coming into contact with Rick's group is drastic? It's a chance to build new characters instead of just introducing T-dog #6 before killing him a week later.
Yeah, there are currently a lot of threads dangling from the finale, but I didn't mean immediately.
Yeah, there are currently a lot of threads dangling from the finale, but I didn't mean immediately.
#134
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Re: Another "Walking Dead" showrunner steps down
Except they'd not have been "what if'?" stories. They'd have been side stories that would serve as interesting diversions to mix things up from time to time.
#135
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A diversion? Diversion from what? Since when we do we need a diversion from a show writing in multiple sub-plots with multiple characters?
#137
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Typically on a television production, those one-shot, self-contained episodes are included to give the creative talent a break. Usually the main actors are secondary players on those episodes and it gives the production schedule a little leeway. That is why many shows use them, particularly on the hour-long dramas that run a full season.
#138
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Typically on a television production, those one-shot, self-contained episodes are included to give the creative talent a break. Usually the main actors are secondary players on those episodes and it gives the production schedule a little leeway. That is why many shows use them, particularly on the hour-long dramas that run a full season.
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#142
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Well the current arc is focusing heavily on Rick and Carl's relationship, so killing Carl at this juncture would be, as the kids say: retarded.
#143
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Re: Another "Walking Dead" showrunner steps down
Again, though, it has no endpoint. A narrative usually takes you from point A to point B, with a beginning, a middle, and an end. Kirkman and this show are obviously more interested in how these things never end, in creating something that can sustain itself repeatedly so he can explore permutations of the basic premise. The Walking Dead is simply about their day-to-day struggle to survive, there's no goal in mind, no broader scope indicating an end to the apocalypse or what happens outside of the characters we know, and it's obvious that it has no interest in that. It locks onto a group of characters and follows them.
#144
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Re: Another "Walking Dead" showrunner steps down
I find the stuff about societal collapse kind of fascinating. In most post-apocalyptic stories, it tends to be beside the point, because it's all about the setting and what happens, but if Darabont had wanted to show some of that, I would've found it interesting.
Kirkman has said he has it planned to end some time, but right now it's become such a cash cow, he'd be foolish to end it. The Walking Dead could go on forever if he wanted it to. If I had a cash cow like TWD, I'd milk it for all its worth, and then some.
Kirkman and this show are obviously more interested in how these things never end, in creating something that can sustain itself repeatedly so he can explore permutations of the basic premise. The Walking Dead is simply about their day-to-day struggle to survive, there's no goal in mind, no broader scope indicating an end to the apocalypse or what happens outside of the characters we know, and it's obvious that it has no interest in that. It locks onto a group of characters and follows them.
It's not like the zombies will suddenly die out, it's not like there's a cure.
The drama is what's fueled the series.
I remember in a letters section a reader asked if the zombies will ever evolve or become smarter?
Kirkman replied that the zombies will always be monsters. The only thing keeping humans from surviving is other humans.
#145
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What shows have done that? Mind you, I watch very little television dramas, but I never recall seeing hour long shows having wild cards. Supernatural had none as far as I know, Smallville had none as far as I knew, Heroes had none, I really don't remember seeing random episodes from shows I enjoy about new characters who appear for one episode.
Supernatural did it very recently, when most of the episode was a self-contained story about three college students that gain supernatural powers. Sam & Dean hardly appeared in the episode. Almost all hour-long dramas do it at least once a season, though network orders shrink every year so that is usually the first episode to get cut.
#146
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I am positive that both Smallville and Supernatural had something of the type, in their long histories. Remember the one episode that was basically a Chloe Sullivan solo episode? That was it for Smallville. Most network shows will use the side episode and focus on a secondary character, instead of going completely away from the featured players.
Supernatural did it very recently, when most of the episode was a self-contained story about three college students that gain supernatural powers. Sam & Dean hardly appeared in the episode. Almost all hour-long dramas do it at least once a season, though network orders shrink every year so that is usually the first episode to get cut.
Supernatural did it very recently, when most of the episode was a self-contained story about three college students that gain supernatural powers. Sam & Dean hardly appeared in the episode. Almost all hour-long dramas do it at least once a season, though network orders shrink every year so that is usually the first episode to get cut.
In fact Smallville did a 2 Hour TV movie in Season 9 called "Absolute Justice" about the Justice Society of America.
I can't name every single serialized drama that has done it, but many have done 1 off episodes.
#147
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Re: Another "Walking Dead" showrunner steps down
I am positive that both Smallville and Supernatural had something of the type, in their long histories. Remember the one episode that was basically a Chloe Sullivan solo episode? That was it for Smallville. Most network shows will use the side episode and focus on a secondary character, instead of going completely away from the featured players.
Supernatural did it very recently, when most of the episode was a self-contained story about three college students that gain supernatural powers. Sam & Dean hardly appeared in the episode. Almost all hour-long dramas do it at least once a season, though network orders shrink every year so that is usually the first episode to get cut.
Supernatural did it very recently, when most of the episode was a self-contained story about three college students that gain supernatural powers. Sam & Dean hardly appeared in the episode. Almost all hour-long dramas do it at least once a season, though network orders shrink every year so that is usually the first episode to get cut.
#148
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Re: Another "Walking Dead" showrunner steps down
Smallville and Supernatural have done many self contained episodes. Fringe is another show that did a few self contained episodes as well especially in the 1st couple of seasons.
In fact Smallville did a 2 Hour TV movie in Season 9 called "Absolute Justice" about the Justice Society of America.
I can't name every single serialized drama that has done it, but many have done 1 off episodes.
In fact Smallville did a 2 Hour TV movie in Season 9 called "Absolute Justice" about the Justice Society of America.
I can't name every single serialized drama that has done it, but many have done 1 off episodes.
#149
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Re: Another "Walking Dead" showrunner steps down
Kirkman has said he has it planned to end some time, but right now it's become such a cash cow, he'd be foolish to end it. The Walking Dead could go on forever if he wanted it to. If I had a cash cow like TWD, I'd milk it for all its worth, and then some.
Hence why the comic is an ongoing series.
No goal? How about survival?
It's not like the zombies will suddenly die out, it's not like there's a cure.
The drama is what's fueled the series.
Kirkman replied that the zombies will always be monsters. The only thing keeping humans from surviving is other humans.
#150
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Kirkman has wanted this to be ongoing since way before the comic was famous, let alone the brand itself. Sure the money may be a contributing factor now, but I doubt the integrity of the comic has been compromised, it's not like he all of a sudden introduced Daryl and put him front and center.
It doesn't matter if the Vertigo stories have an end game in mind, it's the way they were plotted. Hell, Willingham plans to keep doing Fables for as long as possible as well, so it's not just Kirkman. That's a hard thing to pull off with a creator owned series.
It doesn't matter if the Vertigo stories have an end game in mind, it's the way they were plotted. Hell, Willingham plans to keep doing Fables for as long as possible as well, so it's not just Kirkman. That's a hard thing to pull off with a creator owned series.