Homeland -- "The Mother F***** with a Turban" -- 12/09/12
 

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Synopsis:



Episode 11 of 12

Yes, that is the real episode title according to the Showtime web page :lol:

Promo:

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Re: Homeland -- "The Mother F***** with a Turban" -- 12/09/12
 

Holy shit that was tense in the tunnels.

Re: Homeland -- "The Mother F***** with a Turban" -- 12/09/12
 

Yep. I was thinking "Zero Dark Thirty" is gonna be more of this soon!

Another great episode.

Re: Homeland -- "The Mother F***** with a Turban" -- 12/09/12
 

wow! they went and doned it. they killed him. wow! can not wait for next week's season finale!!!!!!!

Re: Homeland -- "The Mother F***** with a Turban" -- 12/09/12
 

This one just fell flat for me. All that tunnel stuff, and they don't bring in a dog? Or go over every inch, maybe with more lights? Then when they do a 2nd look, conveniently it's carrie and just 1 fbi dude after the others wander off...just way too much 24 in there.

I also half expected carl to be wandering around in there with his sheriffs hat on.

Re: Homeland -- "The Mother F***** with a Turban" -- 12/09/12
 

The part where the 1 FBI guy left the others with Carrie bugged me too, but otherwise I thought it was a very good episode and I can't wait to see what they have in store for the finale.

Re: Homeland -- "The Mother F***** with a Turban" -- 12/09/12
 

Calling it now. Saul was the mole and becomes the next leader of the terrorists. Season 3, Saul vs Carrie & Brody!

Re: Homeland -- "The Mother F***** with a Turban" -- 12/09/12
 

I have kind of changed the way I watch this show, as I try not to question the many plot holes that each episode produces. The show is still great because you really don't know where the story is taking you, as each episode is riveting. I try not to roll my eyes at all the outrageous things that happens in the show anymore, and I find that is the best way to enjoy it.

Re: Homeland -- "The Mother F***** with a Turban" -- 12/09/12
 

I thought Quinn was gonna go ahead with the hit on Brody while he was in the car. Heck, I have expected a ridiculous plot twist where Quinn accidentally kills the wife.

Would be awesome if

Re: Homeland -- "The Mother F***** with a Turban" -- 12/09/12
 

I wouldn't be surprised if they kill of Brody. I can't really see them have an actual relationship. It would be "shocking" to kill off the lead, and it would really send Carrie over the edge.

Re: Homeland -- "The Mother F***** with a Turban" -- 12/09/12
 

I'm not sure if I can handle Carrie going over the edge, she's already too crazy for my taste. I know, she's always borderline, but the last episodes she has been really over the top.

Re: Homeland -- "The Mother F***** with a Turban" -- 12/09/12
 

The tunnel scenes reminded me of some 70's cop show like Mannix or Baretta ... all it needed was the cheesy 70's funky rock.

I feel this show going in the wrong trajectory and am afraid for what they have planned. Quinn hunting Brody only to get called off time and again for some other bogus event. Carrie helplessly trying to protect her lover. Ugh. They had to cap it all off by Brody going to Carrie's house immediately upon dropping his family off. He's just free to roam around...

Re: Homeland -- "The Mother F***** with a Turban" -- 12/09/12
 

The second that lone FBI dude went off with Carrie I knew he was dead. And 6 tactical teams went through the place--twice--and didn't see anything, yet Carrie instantly recognizes the conduits aren't going anywhere and it's a secret hiding place? Really?

I love the show but am not thrilled about the direction they went with Carrie withholding the info. on how he escaped (thought they might find the cut wrist ties) and the death of Vice President and instead siding with Brody. Seems a long way from what she told him when they first took him down in the hotel room.

Also Saul is my favorite character, and I really hope he somehow turns the tables on Estes next week.

Re: Homeland -- "The Mother F***** with a Turban" -- 12/09/12
 

It's funny that Brody was alone with the VP when he died, a known terrorist sympathizer, a man who wore a suicide vest for christ sake, and yet he is not suspected of anything, he is not locked down and interrogated. The show was cool because it was realistic - now it's just getting dumb.

Re: Homeland -- "The Mother F***** with a Turban" -- 12/09/12
 

Some valid points, from Rolling Stone:


http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/news/homeland-recap-tunnel-vision-20121210

Re: Homeland -- "The Mother F***** with a Turban" -- 12/09/12
 

This was the most tense scene of the episode for me. He and his wife having their divorce conversation, all the while I'm expecting a bullet to shatter glass at any moment.

Re: Homeland -- "The Mother F***** with a Turban" -- 12/09/12
 

Now THAT would have put the cherry on top. One would hope the CIA would kill off a US Congressman a bit more discreetly with a bonafide cover story.

Re: Homeland -- "The Mother F***** with a Turban" -- 12/09/12
 

Implausibilities aside, I've begun to expect this show to reasonably attempt to shock the audience when it can. Though the definition of 'reason' can be debated ad nauseum, it wouldn't have surprised me if they pulled a stunt like that -- especially going into the season finale next week.

Re: Homeland -- "The Mother F***** with a Turban" -- 12/09/12
 

All of this. The show is treading dangerously into typical crappy network tv drama territory. I am to the point where I really dislike the Carrie character because she is starting to ruin the show for me.

Re: Homeland -- "The Mother F***** with a Turban" -- 12/09/12
 

The Rolling Stone article posted above summarizes the problems with the show very well. Oh well, one more episode.

Lets just hope Boardwalk Empire wins the Emmy this year.

Re: Homeland -- "The Mother F***** with a Turban" -- 12/09/12
 

Let's not forget this show is from some of the creative team behind "24". Knowing that, puts things into perspective a little. ;)

Re: Homeland -- "The Mother F***** with a Turban" -- 12/09/12
 

Wow, that was scathing...and 100% accurate.

Re: Homeland -- "The Mother F***** with a Turban" -- 12/09/12
 

Saul is also probably my favorite character, but let's not forget that even though Estes is portrayed as the heavy here he was 100% correct. After not terminating him, Brody went on to murder the Vice President of the United States. Granted, he did not pull the trigger, but he loaded the gun and handed it to the guy who he knew would, and then let him die even though he could have warned him or called for help and Carrie would still have gone free. Again, I don't know if this is what the writers want us to get out of this situation because Saul is obviously the most sympathetic character in the show, but Estes proved correct about eliminating Brody and Saul was wrong. I realize the characters don't know that yet, but we do.

Re: Homeland -- "The Mother F***** with a Turban" -- 12/09/12
 

The second tunnels sequence was definitely a low point for the show. I am sure everyone in law enforcement was shaking their head.

Re: Homeland -- "The Mother F***** with a Turban" -- 12/09/12
 

Can someone just kill off the daughter now? Fugly and annoying.

Re: Homeland -- "The Mother F***** with a Turban" -- 12/09/12
 

The hit and run with her and the VP's son I think has proven to be the turning point of the show, and I mean that in the worst way. It's astonishing to think that was in the same episode as Carrie's interrogation of Brody, which was probably the high point of the entire series. In fact just minutes later. In season one her character was a mildly annoying plot contrivance, now the character is flat out episode halting in its ridiculousness.

Re: Homeland -- "The Mother F***** with a Turban" -- 12/09/12
 

Give her a break, she didn't have any milk for her cereal!

:lol:

Re: Homeland -- "The Mother F***** with a Turban" -- 12/09/12
 

Between that and Angel's restaurant, Showtime offers up some of the least compelling sub-plots on television.

Re: Homeland -- "The Mother F***** with a Turban" -- 12/09/12
 

I've never had any issues with the daughter until the milk meltdown. So idiotic. I kept hoping her brother would bean her with his 360 controller.

Re: Homeland -- "The Mother F***** with a Turban" -- 12/09/12
 

This show needs a serious reboot for season 3. This episode is even worse a day later. In fact, it might be THE worst of the series. The last few have just gone off the rails.

Re: Homeland -- "The Mother F***** with a Turban" -- 12/09/12
 

I counted down the days to Boardwalk: Empire's season finale. I am very 'meh' about Homeland's. Probably because I am afraid of the direction the show has been rapidly moving. It is amazing how fast the quality has dropped off. They just caught/killed their universe's version of Osama bin Laden and it couldn't have been any more anti-climactic, primarily because of the overriding ridiculous nature of the episode. And if you think last night wasn't silly enough, imagine that instead of Nazir that was a still living bin Laden (not) running around that complex and watch it with that in mind.

Re: Homeland -- "The Mother F***** with a Turban" -- 12/09/12
 

Re: Homeland -- "The Mother F***** with a Turban" -- 12/09/12
 

yep, me too. Maybe because that show had the balls to do what most don't when they dealt with jimmy.

Re: Homeland -- "The Mother F***** with a Turban" -- 12/09/12
 

The problem with this is that Estes, as the boss, didn't need to let Brody run completely free, and someone allowed for them to abandon their around the clock surveillance and tapping of his phone (or, more likely, it's a massive plot hole).

Re: Homeland -- "The Mother F***** with a Turban" -- 12/09/12
 

Unless you were talking about Weeds. Typically every sub-plot was better than the main plot.

Never mind. I just started to remember those plots and now I'm wondering why I even watched that show.

Re: Homeland -- "The Mother F***** with a Turban" -- 12/09/12
 

I think the killing was very definitely supposed to have an anti-climatic feel.

Sometimes (often) that's how life happens.

We can't attack a show for 24 like cliches and then attack it for not unfolding that way.

Yes there are very questionable plot points in the show and in this episode, but it also had pretty good moments - Carries walking into to do her usual routine with Roya, only to fail miserably and of course Brody and his wife in the car.

I do hope they bring things back in, but I also try to not get to stuck on all of this and try to enjoy the ride.

Re: Homeland -- "The Mother F***** with a Turban" -- 12/09/12
 

You make a good point about life events being generally anti-climactic compared to how they can be built up in minds before-hand. And I could buy that in this case if it were not for the reason I found it a let down exactly because of the 24-like nature of the episode. The most powerful moments of the series were exactly the opposite of that.

The Nazir hunt has been pretty thoroughly lambasted in this thread already, but I found it almost shameful when put up against the high quality of the series for the first season plus. Add to that the persistent inclusion of Brody's odious ignoramous of a daughter and the notion that Carrie is suddenly OK with covering up the murder of the Vice President as long as the known terrorist complicit in the murder is willing to bang her...

Hopefully the show pulls out of the tailspin with a strong season finale. There are still some great characters and places this could go, so I still have hope.

Re: Homeland -- "The Mother F***** with a Turban" -- 12/09/12
 

I have a feeling that in season eight, Dexter will need a way to dispose of his bodies, so he takes a job as a cook at Angel's restaurant. Win-win situation!

"A word of advice, Deb... don't order the Cuban sandwich. In fact, you'd be better off with one of our vegetarian dishes."

Re: Homeland -- "The Mother F***** with a Turban" -- 12/09/12
 

So Brody is with the VP when he dies, and NOBODY in CIA suspects him of doing something? Come on, man! (to borrow the ESPN Monday Night Football phrase).

A few things about next week's episode:

Re: Homeland -- "The Mother F***** with a Turban" -- 12/09/12
 

I feel like we're an episode or two away from Mandy Patinkin doing a musical number.