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philo 11-27-12 01:39 AM

Re: Dexter -- "Helter Skelter" -- 11/25/12
 
Count me as another one disappointed in the killing of Isaak. He has been the best part of this season. Such a cool character and Ray Stevenson brought so much to that part.

I hope it's curtains for Hannah. Maybe its the actress playing her but I just never bought into that relationship. I still think Lumen was the best for Dex and I keep hoping they'll find a way to write her into the final season.

Groucho 11-27-12 01:23 PM

Re: Dexter -- "Helter Skelter" -- 11/25/12
 
Nice switcheroo, where the big bad becomes the buddy, and the love interest becomes the big bad.

hahn 11-28-12 12:14 AM

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While Isaak deserved a better death, it fit pretty well into the overall plot and it gave him the opportunity for one last talk with Dexter. I was just surprised it happened this early with 3 more episodes to go.

I don't get the feeling that Hannah is going to turn into the big bad. If anything, I think it's going to be the opposite where she tries to turn them into a "normal" couple. I never got the sense that after her teenage killing spree (which you could argue was pressured into) she killed for the pleasure of it, but more as a necessity or out of self-preservation.

I also think Hannah's going to be around for the final season. 1) She serves as third point in a love triangle, 2) She serves as the catalyst for Dexter's transformation into a full-fledged human being, capable of love and fear.

The arsonist is not going to be the inspector. If it is, it's a red herring for something else. The writers are being way too blatantly obvious about it.

LaGuerta knows too much and she's too close. Something's going to happen to her. Something BIG.

anomynous 11-28-12 12:53 AM

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Insight to why Isaac died:

https://twitter.com/jscottamy/status/273333804993757184

hahn 11-28-12 01:36 AM

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One more thing - the Quinn storyline sticks out like a sore thumb. It seems meaningless and has very little to do with Dexter or any other storyline. It seemed like he was going to get nailed for the Isaak evidence disappearing and then everyone just forgot about it? I don't buy it. I'm getting the vibe that Quinn is being setup to take the fall for Dexter in some way.

Shazam 11-28-12 02:52 AM

Re: Dexter -- "Helter Skelter" -- 11/25/12
 
Well I thought this episode was quite strong. Isaak's killing at least made sense.

malichai 11-28-12 04:33 AM

Re: Dexter -- "Helter Skelter" -- 11/25/12
 

Originally Posted by hahn (Post 11486025)
One more thing - the Quinn storyline sticks out like a sore thumb. It seems meaningless and has very little to do with Dexter or any other storyline. It seemed like he was going to get nailed for the Isaak evidence disappearing and then everyone just forgot about it? I don't buy it. I'm getting the vibe that Quinn is being setup to take the fall for Dexter in some way.

There are these meaningless storylines every season. In previous seasons it was most often LaGuerta causing me to reach for the fast forward button.

Josh-da-man 11-28-12 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by anomynous (Post 11485999)

Hm. I wonder what the original plan was.

MikahC 11-28-12 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by hahn (Post 11485971)
I also think Hannah's going to be around for the final season. 1) She serves as third point in a love triangle, 2) She serves as the catalyst for Dexter's transformation into a full-fledged human being, capable of love and fear.

Goodness, I hope not. People have a hard time accepting what a sociopath is. This is why people get eaten in the zoo. You can't just love a sociopath into being "normal". They can be taught to mimick acceptable/expected behavior, but they're never going to (really) cry at the end of a sad movie.

One of the things that bothered me about Hannibal (I forget if it was the movie or the book at this point), is that whole "Hannibal loves Clarice" thing. Horrid. Hannibal didn't love Clarice. Hannibal found Clarice interesting in the way that you don't want to kill a pet mouse who keeps finding his way out of the mazes you put him in. It's a special mouse, so you want it around. And you might even kill others that threaten your special mouse.

The strength of Dexter (the show) to me is if we have a sociopath who has targeted his behavior into something approaching acceptable. It's a different show if we just make it that he was a little emotionally retarded due to a tramatic event at a young age and just needed to be held.

Buttmunker 11-28-12 09:38 AM

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I wouldn't even watch this show if anybody else but Michael C. Hall was playing Dexter. As it is, I dislike most of the permanent cast. Only the "guest villains" are worth anything.

sleepyhead55 11-28-12 02:48 PM

Re: Dexter -- "Helter Skelter" -- 11/25/12
 

Originally Posted by philo (Post 11484550)
Count me as another one disappointed in the killing of Isaak. He has been the best part of this season. Such a cool character and Ray Stevenson brought so much to that part.

I hope it's curtains for Hannah. Maybe its the actress playing her but I just never bought into that relationship.

Yeah, I really wish they could have kept him around a little longer. I really enjoyed his interactions with Dexter.

The more I see of the Hannah/Dexter pairing, the less I like it. It's veered into soap opera territory for me.

The only thing keeping me interested is the LaGuerta/BHB investigation at this point.

The arsonist angle does nothing for me since it's so damn late to introduce a new antagonist/villan for this season.

Goat3001 11-28-12 03:15 PM

Re: Dexter -- "Helter Skelter" -- 11/25/12
 

Originally Posted by hahn (Post 11486025)
One more thing - the Quinn storyline sticks out like a sore thumb. It seems meaningless and has very little to do with Dexter or any other storyline. It seemed like he was going to get nailed for the Isaak evidence disappearing and then everyone just forgot about it? I don't buy it. I'm getting the vibe that Quinn is being setup to take the fall for Dexter in some way.

If the renewed Bay Harbor Butcher story line ends with Quinn taking the fall for Dexter I'll be furious. I think Quinn will tie into the main story by Dexter going after the club owner. Somehow the two stories will link up, hopefully with a good resolution.

The BHB storyline should spill over to next season. I can see this season ending with Laguerta finding "concrete circumstantial" evidence. Enough to prove to herself that Dexter is the guy but not enough to prove without a shadow of a doubt that he is.

Buttmunker 11-28-12 03:18 PM

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I just wonder why Dexter doesn't remind Debra that he killed his own biological brother to save her life, and if that isn't a profession of love, I don't know what is.

PopcornTreeCt 11-28-12 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by malichai (Post 11486048)
There are these meaningless storylines every season. In previous seasons it was most often LaGuerta causing me to reach for the fast forward button.

In a stunning twist, Laguerta has the best storyline this season.

SuckaMC 11-28-12 04:34 PM

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I imagine that the club owner will force Quinn to protect him, bringing Dexter and Quinn together. Too bad the club owner doesn't know that they are already secret buddies.

Groucho 11-28-12 04:40 PM

Re: Dexter -- "Helter Skelter" -- 11/25/12
 

Originally Posted by PopcornTreeCt (Post 11486704)
In a stunning twist, Laguerta has the best storyline this season.

What? You don't like hearing about Angel's restaurant? Mold. Mold!

bluetoast 11-28-12 04:44 PM

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I was under the impression that Angel would actually have to work at the restaurant that he owns. How exactly is he pulling double duty still working for Miami Metro?

Josh-da-man 11-28-12 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SuckaMC (Post 11486795)
I imagine that the club owner will force Quinn to protect him, bringing Dexter and Quinn together. Too bad the club owner doesn't know that they are already secret buddies.

Since the club owner murdered Isaak in cold blood, Dexter is free to go after him now.

Also solves Quinn's problem.

The Black 11-28-12 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by bluetoast (Post 11486808)
I was under the impression that Angel would actually have to work at the restaurant that he owns. How exactly is he pulling double duty still working for Miami Metro?

He bought the restaurant, he didn't become manager.
He probably has the same people working their before he bought it.

mickey65 11-28-12 08:09 PM

Re: Dexter -- "Helter Skelter" -- 11/25/12
 
There is a guy on the IMDB message board for Dexter who somehow gets to watch the new episodes a few days before they are shown and treats all of us to a "sneak preview" filled with subtle spoilers and hints about what the new episode is about. If you are curious about episode #10 - here ya go:

Spoiler:
Hey Dexheads,

Just fair warning that there might be some SPOILERS in this post. Nothing too detailed at all, but hints about where certain storylines may/may not go. Proceed with caution, friends!

Isaak is dead. I think most of us had a sense of “disappointment” that the big guy made his grand exit a wee bit early. For better or worse, Isaak was ripe for the kill table, but it was nice to see that his final moments and poetic send-off were fitting for such an awesome character, and especially a brilliant performer. Ray Stevenson will be missed, but he’s etched himself in the great rogue’s gallery of Dexter’s best foes. We raise a glass to you, sir!

So where do we go from here?

Usually at this point in the season, Dexter’s racing against the clock to nab the Big Bad while personal turmoil is raining down from all directions. Double-crosses, major plot twists, and big revelations?

But this is no other season.

It seems that the fans are split in two: Those that are disappointed that the season is not going in the direction they expected, and have story/character/logic issues. And those that are very interested in the personal and emotional stakes, and feel refreshed by the uncertainty ahead.

Both camps have valid arguments.

Gone are Isaak, the threat of the Koshka Brotherhood, Louis Green, Ray Speltzer, and if all your vengeful hopes lie with George being wrapped in plastic...think again. The Quinn/George storyline seems to resolve itself in Episode 10 (if a little anti-climactic). Although the lasting impact and how it ultimately affects Quinn’s story is still to be determined, it seems that the creators are intent on tying up the loose ends to centre on THE most important aspect of the season...

The Dexter/ Deb/ Hanna triangle.

Introducing “The Phantom” storyline this late in the game was an interesting choice. It just HAS to mean something, right? Are the creators planting the seeds for a potential Big Bad for Season 8, or is there some major twist coming that we’d never predict? After watching Episode 10...

It’s neither.

It might be a minor spoiler to say that The Phantom’s storyline is wrapped up in Episode 10. So why even introduce it in the first place? Let’s just say that The Phantom themselves and their crimes is a blip in the bigger picture, but it’s the overall influence on Dexter’s character and the implications it hints at could be pretty major. The last time something like this happened to Dexter, it was followed up with “Nebraska”. Let’s hope the creators have the balls to follow through this time. My hunch is that they will.

But it’s not the only event in the Episode that influences this narrative development...

Hanna’s dad, Clint McKay, is introduced in the episode. I won’t spoil how the character contributes to the story, but he’s a pretty key figure from a storyline, thematic, and back story perspective. Kudos to actor Jim Beaver for leaving a lasting impression in the episode with a solid performance.

Laguerta now has a new “partner” in her BHB investigation in Matthews, and what she uncovers could be a major piece of the puzzle. The target is firmly put on Dexter, but the question now becomes “what comes next”. The episode leaves us with the promise of a significant conversation to be had in the very near future.

Sorry if this week’s post is a little muddled and scattershot. The true juicy details of the episode lie within the character’s feelings, emotions, and outlook for the future, and it’s hard not to get into spoilery specifics. The title of the episode itself might give you a big hint as to the nature of the episode.

If you’re still on board the Season 7 journey, then Episode 10 is another solid continuation into the unknown. The emotional stakes are higher, the on-going danger is getting closer, and the remaining few episodes promise to be a very personal conclusion.

SuckaMC 11-28-12 08:20 PM

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oh yes, best line delivery of the episode:

Deb: I need backup... ... and a fucking ambulance.

Lol.

Buttmunker 11-29-12 07:42 AM

Re: Dexter -- "Helter Skelter" -- 11/25/12
 

Originally Posted by Josh-da-man (Post 11486836)
Since the club owner murdered Isaak in cold blood, Dexter is free to go after him now.

Also solves Quinn's problem.

Dexter doesn't know who shot Issac. He didn't see the club owner run off, and he didn't ask Isaac...so...

Goat3001 11-29-12 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Buttmunker (Post 11487417)
Dexter doesn't know who shot Issac. He didn't see the club owner run off, and he didn't ask Isaac...so...

It wouldn't be a stretch for him to figure it out since he already knew someone in the mob was trying to kill Isaak.

Buttmunker 11-29-12 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Goat3001 (Post 11487425)
It wouldn't be a stretch for him to figure it out since he already knew someone in the mob was trying to kill Isaak.

The meek-seeming club owner vs the cold-blooded assassins who were after Isaac? It would be an incredible stretch, and quite the assumption!

Groucho 11-29-12 08:06 AM

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How did the club owner know Isaak was on the boat?


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