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DeputyDave 08-28-12 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Spottedfeather (Post 11363316)
I've seen all the Romero movies. They usually DO say why. Get bitten or scratched. Inhale powdered zombies. Saying "Do you think they were bitten in their graves?" is like saying "do you think Vampires are bitten in their graves ?"

I guess you haven't seen them then. They never say why. A bite or scratch KILLS you and you become a zombie after death. Anyone who dies for ANY reason in the Romero movies becomes a zombie. THAT is why old ass zombies in their graves come back. They were never bitten, they were dead, and the dead rise. All of them.

Spottedfeather 08-28-12 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DeputyDave (Post 11363289)
Yes I have seen it, have you ever seen a Romero zombie movie? Every person who dies (regardless of how) becomes a zombie only it doesn't say why (wrath of god, the earth passing through a comets tail, virus, etc.). Do you remember zombies rising from the graves in Night of the Living Dead? Do you think they were bitten in their graves? Just like Romero movies, being bitten causes death in a few hours and then you rise. The bite causes infection and death NOT zombification. Just being dead causes you to become a zombie. It wasn't until recent movies that they started the bite means infection and that's the only way you can turn BS.

The earlier movies didn't say how they became zombies because the explanation wasn't thought up until the later movies. So...

Spottedfeather 08-28-12 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DeputyDave (Post 11363321)
I guess you haven't seen them then. They never say why. A bite or scratch KILLS you and you become a zombie after death. Anyone who dies for ANY reason in the Romero movies becomes a zombie. THAT is why old ass zombies in their graves come back. They were never bitten, they were dead, and the dead rise. All of them.

What right do you have to say that I haven't seen the movies ? You don't know what you're talking about. They almost always say why. It seems like YOU'RE the one that hasn't seen any of the movies. In the Romero movies (the later ones, anyways) it is almost always explained why. As I said, if you can understand proper english, they turn into zombies by inhaling powdered zombies, getting bit, getting scratched, etc. As to the zombies coming out the grave, do you really think that just happens ? Something has to happen for them to become zombies. In the same movie as the powdered zombies, the rain and zombie powder soaked into the ground.

DeputyDave 08-28-12 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Spottedfeather (Post 11363329)
What right do you have to say that I haven't seen the movies ? You don't know what you're talking about. They almost always say why. It seems like YOU'RE the one that hasn't seen any of the movies. In the Romero movies (the later ones, anyways) it is almost always explained why. As I said, if you can understand proper english, they turn into zombies by inhaling powdered zombies, getting bit, getting scratched, etc. As to the zombies coming out the grave, do you really think that just happens ? Something has to happen for them to become zombies. In the same movie as the powdered zombies, the rain and zombie powder soaked into the ground.

This isn't the place to argue it. There have been a few threads in Movie Talk about it. Try there, you may even get a few people who agree with you.

Spottedfeather 08-28-12 06:46 PM

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This IS the place to argue it. We're talking about a zombie show and, therefore, rules of zombies.

DeputyDave 08-28-12 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Spottedfeather (Post 11363375)
This IS the place to argue it. We're talking about a zombie show and, therefore, rules of zombies.

But the argument is about the rules set by Romero which we don't agree on. We both agree that in the show everyone who dies turns into a zombie, what you disagree with is that the same is true in Romero zombie movies.

Of the six zombie movies written and directed by Romero he never tells why zombies are rising.

From Zombiepedia:

"In Romero's Dead series, any human being who dies after the onset of the zombie apocalypse can and will reanimate shortly after death, excluding those who died by massive brain trauma (such as a gunshot wound to the head) or had their brain incapacitated post-mortem. Being bitten by a zombie is not a prerequisite for returning to life, as any deceased human, regardless of exposure to a zombie, will return. No Romero film has definitively revealed the cause of reanimation, but several have featured characters speculating on possible causes, including radiation from a NASA probe, divine intervention, and viral infection. The length of time between death and reanimation seems to vary, but generally is only a few minutes.

If a character is bitten by a zombie, they will become violently ill and die within three days. The interim till death seems to be dependent on the location and degree of the bite (meaning that bites on or near major arteries or veins will spread the infection much faster than small bites or scratches). Multiple bite wounds will cause the infection to spread all the faster. Also, massive blood loss caused by one of these bites will speed the death of the victim."

How does that not describe the zombies in Walking Dead? If anything the series (which I agree is not perfect) is the closest to Romero Zombies since Romero did it (i.e walking, not running, head shots kill, etc.)

Spottedfeather 08-28-12 07:26 PM

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What does it matter if Romero wrote the movies or not ? In the later movies, it's been explained how zombies can come out of the ground. As I said, in one movie, the zombies came out of the ground because the ash-ified zombies from the crematorium went into the air, it rained, and the zombie ashes soaked into the ground.

DeputyDave 08-28-12 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Spottedfeather (Post 11363414)
What does it matter if Romero wrote the movies or not ? In the later movies, it's been explained how zombies can come out of the ground. As I said, in one movie, the zombies came out of the ground because the ash-ified zombies from the crematorium went into the air, it rained, and the zombie ashes soaked into the ground.

I think we need to stop this, you make my head hurt. You are all over the place. The zombies you describe (from the Return of the Living Dead films) are completely different from any other movies (the zombies are smart, can talk, can run, can't die ever -even with heads shot or removed, etc). Romero created the modern genre so when you say The Walking Dead broke the rules I assumed you were talking about that. If you are talking about more recent movies what can you be talking about? Every movie has different rules and origins. How can it not follow the rules if there are none in the movies you like?

Jay G. 08-28-12 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Spottedfeather (Post 11363313)
You can have naturally occurring substances, but you TURN them into drugs.

No, there are drugs that are naturally occurring, like caffeine. You can get caffeine just from chewing on coffee beans. Nicotine in tobacco is another (hence chewing tobacco). Same with THC in cannabis, or aspirin in willow bark. For some naturally occurring drugs we'll extract and refine them, similar to what we do with sugar, but they're still naturally created drugs.


Originally Posted by Spottedfeather (Post 11363313)
On Walking Dead, they THOUGHT you turned into a zombie by getting scratched or bitten....they were proven wrong.

Being bitten or scratched is still fatal, killing people. And as DeputyDave pointed out, apparently in Romero's films the dead can come back to life without any apparent scratch, bite, or other infection:
http://zombie.wikia.com/wiki/Romero_zombies


Originally Posted by Spottedfeather (Post 11363313)
For vampire filmes...how does each movie establish their own take ? The majority of them follow the same rules; can't go in sunlight. Stake through the heart/chop their head off. In Dracula, he was weakened. So what that he doesn't burn.

They all follow some of the "rules," but don't follow others, or make up their own rules. The "burn in sunlight" rule wasn't invented until after Dracula was written, and has been applied inconsistently.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vampire...res_in_fiction

Bram Stoker's Dracula was hugely influential in its depiction of vampire traits, some of which are described by the novel's vampire expert Abraham Van Helsing. Dracula has the ability to change his shape at will, his featured forms in the novel being that of a wolf, bat, dust and fog. He can also crawl up and down the vertical external walls of his castle, in the manner of a lizard. One very famous trait Stoker added is the inability to be seen in mirrors, which is not found in traditional Eastern European folklore. Dracula also had protruding teeth, though was preceded in this by Varney the Vampire and Carmilla...

Traditional vampire folklore, followed by Stoker in Dracula, does not usually hold that sunlight is fatal to vampires, though they are nocturnal...

A well-known set of special powers and weaknesses is commonly associated with vampires in contemporary fiction. There is a tendency, however, for authors to pick and choose the ones they like, or find more realistic, and have their characters ridicule the rest as absurd. For example, in the movie Blade, the vampire hunter Blade tells Karen Jenson what kills vampires (stakes, silver, and sunlight), and dismisses tactics seen in vampire movies (namely crosses and running water) as ineffective in killing vampires. Some vampires can fly. This power may be supernatural levitation, or it may be connected to the vampire's shape-shifting ability. Some traditions hold that a vampire cannot enter a house unless he or she is invited in. Generally, a vampire needs be invited in only once and can then come and go at will. Stephen King's novel Salem's Lot explored an unusual direction with this myth in having one of the protagonists revoke a vampire's invitation to a house; the vampire was forced to flee the building immediately.

Some tales maintain that vampires must return to a coffin or to their "native soil" before sunrise to take their rest safely. Others place native soil in their coffins, especially if they have relocated. Still other vampire stories such as Le Fanu's Carmilla maintain that vampires must return to their coffins, but sleep in several inches of blood as opposed to soil. Vampires are generally held to be unable to bear children, though the concept of a "half vampire" and similar creatures does exist in folklore and in some modern fiction. Some fictional vampires are fascinated with counting, an idea derived from folk stories about vampires being compelled to stop and count any spilled grain they find in their path...

msdmoney 08-28-12 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Spottedfeather (Post 11361955)
Ned Stark, Lady Catelyn Stark. Two of the main good guys on the show.


Originally Posted by Spottedfeather (Post 11363132)
Getting drunk doesn't make you evil ? Yes....it does. He isn't one of the good guys. Unless you think that killing people is perfectly fine...

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Spottedfeather 08-28-12 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by msdmoney (Post 11363463)
http://gifninja.com/animatedgifs/169...-beheading.gif

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So ? All tv shows have to have good guys and bad guys. In real life, as in the show, he'd be a coward, as are all people who kill. Sometimes, the good guys are cowards and do things like kill and also do things that make them worthless like smoke and drink.

Jay G. 08-28-12 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Spottedfeather (Post 11363526)
So ? All tv shows have to have good guys and bad guys. In real life, as in the show, he'd be a coward, as are all people who kill. Sometimes, the good guys are cowards and do things like kill and also do things that make them worthless like smoke and drink.

So what makes him a good guy again?

EdTheRipper 08-28-12 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Spottedfeather (Post 11363526)
Sometimes, the good guys are cowards and do things like kill and also do things that make them worthless like smoke and drink.

Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

Spottedfeather 08-28-12 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay G. (Post 11363530)
So what makes him a good guy again?

I didn't say he was. I said he was the show's good guy. But he's not a good guy by any stretch.

Spottedfeather 08-28-12 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by EdTheRipper (Post 11363553)
Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

Why do you have to be insulting ? Did I ever say anything about you ? Are you saying that drinking and smoking are marks of a sane person with good morals ?

Draven 08-28-12 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Spottedfeather (Post 11363571)
Why do you have to be insulting ? Did I ever say anything about you ? Are you saying that drinking and smoking are marks of a sane person with good morals ?

Oh good lord.

jjcool 08-28-12 10:20 PM

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Can we please stop feeding the troll? He's arguing himself in circles, saying he doesn't like a TV show because of stuff that happens in books in the series that haven't been used in the show yet, as well as saying that drugs are things that are made, not naturally occurring. Also, I'm not really sure what he's doing in TV talk since he obviously doesn't watch much of any current TV. Much less any good TV.

Jay G. 08-28-12 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Spottedfeather (Post 11363567)
I didn't say he was. I said he was the show's good guy. But he's not a good guy by any stretch.

You kinda did:

Originally Posted by Spottedfeather (Post 11361217)
There's no good vs bad in Game Of Thrones ? What show are you watching ?


Originally Posted by msdmoney (Post 11361819)
Please name hero and villain of the show.


Originally Posted by Spottedfeather (Post 11361955)
Joffrey Baratheon, Theon Greyjoy, Tyrion Lannister. Three of the biggest bad guys on the show.

Ned Stark, Lady Catelyn Stark. Two of the main good guys on the show.

You said the show had good vs bad, and named Ned Stark as on of "the main good guys." If you're backing out of that, you're proving msdmoney's original point about the show not being about "good vs evil."

DJariya 08-28-12 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jjcool (Post 11363608)
Can we please stop feeding the troll? He's arguing himself in circles, saying he doesn't like a TV show because of stuff that happens in books in the series that haven't been used in the show yet, as well as saying that drugs are things that are made, not naturally occurring. Also, I'm not really sure what he's doing in TV talk since he obviously doesn't watch much of any current TV. Much less any good TV.

:thumbsup:

EdTheRipper 08-28-12 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Spottedfeather (Post 11363571)
Why do you have to be insulting ? Did I ever say anything about you ? Are you saying that drinking and smoking are marks of a sane person with good morals ?

:wave:
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The Cow 08-28-12 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Spottedfeather (Post 11363242)
Most of the other shows I'd be interested in are on channels I don't get.

Lucky for you, this poster has an answer for that problem!


Originally Posted by Spottedfeather (Post 11360140)
There's this whole thing called the internet where you can watch these other things called tv shows if you don't or can't watch them on an actual tv.


msdmoney 08-29-12 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Spottedfeather (Post 11363571)
Are you saying that drinking and smoking are marks of a sane person with good morals ?

I know lots of sane and moral people that smoke and drink.

Are things really that black and white to you, or are you seriously trolling this thread?

Jonno2006 08-29-12 12:52 AM

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Yeah for fucks sake go away with all that bickering!

everytime i see this thread pop up to the top i expect another list or some reply about someone else's list. but no, it's endless pages of pointless bickering about Game of Thrones, Walking Dead, Good VS Bad and coffee(..?)

Spottedfeather 08-29-12 01:52 AM

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I'm not a troll. I'm just giving my thoughts on things. It's really funny (not ha-ha funny) how people get so upset when people disagree with them. Like their opinion is so much more important than everyone else's. How is it that other people on here can write, seemingly, whatever they like and it's fine, but when I read what they write and give my view on it, people jump on me for absolutely no reason whatsoever ? Does what I think about certain things really affect your life so much that you'll get all upset ? Don't you think that's a bit sad ? Most of you people sound like the trolls here. I mean, no matter what I say, someone says that I'm wrong...even if I'm not. Well, I may be wrong sometimes, but so what ? You trolls don't have to reply to anything I say. And you most definitely don't have to reply contradicting me just for the sake of it. Why is it that I'm the only one here that gets personally attacked for giving their views on things ? Do you really have nothing more going on in your lives that what I say really matters to you or offends you ?

superdeluxe 08-29-12 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Jay G. (Post 11363613)
You kinda did:






You said the show had good vs bad, and named Ned Stark as on of "the main good guys." If you're backing out of that, you're proving msdmoney's original point about the show not being about "good vs evil."

Pay attention jay, he said he wasn't a good guy, just the shows good guy.


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