Originally Posted by onebyone (Post 11362819)

I watch way more tv than I should, but there were some in there that missed me entirely.

So, if I was going to give either Strike Back or Homeland a shot, which would you suggest?

Originally Posted by Brian Shannon (Post 11362548)

Originally Posted by DeputyDave (Post 11363087)

Everything you mentioned (in spoilers, thank you) happens or is revealed in later books, not in the first two seasons. There is no telling that the show will follow that. You obviously looked it up online somewhere. Earlier you mentioned you had only watched clips. I still contend that none of the acts you mentioned was truly evil (not in the context of the books and world), nor takes away from the good he has done.

I hate to argue but I can't stand someone making uninformed statements. I watch and read a lot of fantasy and GoT is unlike anything on screen, and rare even in books. It is a gripping character driven political thriller, regardless of world it is set in.

Originally Posted by msdmoney (Post 11363123)

Pretty big spoiler for Game of Thrones first season underneath


Pretty big spoiler for anyone that hasn't seen the first season of Game of Thrones yet, you should add a spoiler to your post. That is one of the best parts of the series, it isn't about any one character, anybody could die at any moment.



Agreed for someone who doesn't like the show, SpottedFeather sure has an extensive knowledge of the books because much of what he mentions hasn't even happened yet in the tv series. I thought it was rather odd too, all the things he mentioned that could only have been gathered by internet searches to justify a point about a show he doesn't watch.

Also none of the things Tyrion did make him an all out evil character, he is faced with tough choices to try and save the lives of those he cares about. He also has vices for drinking and women, which is a trait attributed to many heroes in many films and books. If I had to classify him, he is one of the "good guys" if you like to put things in buckets, he just happens to be a Lannister.

Originally Posted by jjcool (Post 11363078)

You don't. By your own admission you don't.

Originally Posted by DeputyDave (Post 11363087)

Everything you mentioned (in spoilers, thank you) happens or is revealed in later books, not in the first two seasons. There is no telling that the show will follow that. You obviously looked it up online somewhere. Earlier you mentioned you had only watched clips. I still contend that none of the acts you mentioned was truly evil (not in the context of the books and world), nor takes away from the good he has done.

I hate to argue but I can't stand someone making uninformed statements. I watch and read a lot of fantasy and GoT is unlike anything on screen, and rare even in books. It is a gripping character driven political thriller, regardless of world it is set in.

As far as The Walking Dead, there are a lot of faults with it but you listed only that it violated "the zombie rules" and mentioned a few. As far as I can tell the only thing the Walking Dead does perfectly is stick to the Romero rules of Zombies. Which rules are you referring to?

Originally Posted by Spottedfeather (Post 11362283)

I HAVE seen the show. You can't have a show or movie without good guys and bad guys. Of course, everyone has shades of grey. It wouldn't be interesting if they didn't.

Originally Posted by Spottedfeather (Post 11363132)

Rape doesn't make you evil ? Yes,...it does. Getting drunk doesn't make you evil ? Yes....it does. He isn't one of the good guys. Unless you think that killing people is perfectly fine...

What do the books have to do with not liking the tv show ? If a character is a worthless loser in the books, why would they change it for the tv show ?

Originally Posted by DJariya (Post 11362135)

Same with The CW. I think most on this board write off that channel because they think it only produces cheesey teen young adult shows like 90210 and Gossip Girl, which is obviously targetted for young women and teen girls.

I think they are branching out more towards male viewers especially with Nikita (which hardly anyone on this board watches for whatever reason), Supernatural, and now Arrow coming out this Fall. And for the record, I think The Vampire Diaries is probably one of their best shows and IMO appeals to both men and women.

Originally Posted by Spottedfeather (Post 11363134)

What are you talking about ? What good tv don't I keep up with ? Just because YOU like it doesn't make it good.

Originally Posted by Spottedfeather (Post 11363132)

Rape doesn't make you evil ? Yes,...it does. Getting drunk doesn't make you evil ? Yes....it does. He isn't one of the good guys. Unless you think that killing people is perfectly fine...

What do the books have to do with not liking the tv show ? If a character is a worthless loser in the books, why would they change it for the tv show ?

Originally Posted by Spottedfeather (Post 11363136)

Walking Dead DOESN'T stick to the Romero rules. For one, you turn in to a zombie by getting bit or scratched. Walking Dead completely tossed that rule in the trash.

Originally Posted by Spottedfeather (Post 11363134)

What are you talking about ? What good tv don't I keep up with ? Just because YOU like it doesn't make it good.

Originally Posted by msdmoney (Post 11363153)

But you said Ned Stark was a good guy and he has killed people, he also gets drunk. How could he be a good guy?

Also you just completely gloss over the context of the rape.

So you have read all of the books for a series you don't like? The confusion is that you are mentioning that you don't like the series, but somehow have an extensive knowledge that could only come from reading at least three thousand page books, beyond what has happened in the tv series up to this point.

Originally Posted by Draven (Post 11363224)

Here's your list:



Plus you've mentioned NCIS. So, what "good TV" are you keeping up with besides Dr. Who? and NCIS?

Also, I've never watched NCIS but I too can use Wikipedia - Mark Harmon's character has been divorced 3 times. And he also drinks coffee, so he's obviously a drug user.

Originally Posted by DeputyDave (Post 11363202)

Are you sure you watched the show? There were several characters in the first season alone who turn after being bitten.

Originally Posted by Spottedfeather (Post 11363241)

Again, what does the books have to with the tv show ? I hate the show. The books are fine. Also, I didn't overlook any context of the rape. Rape is rape, no matter how it happens.

Originally Posted by Spottedfeather (Post 11363242)

Coffee isn't a drug. It's a bean...which grows. Drugs are what people make. They don't just grow.

Originally Posted by Spottedfeather (Post 11363243)

I'm guessing you don't watch the show at all. All the people have the zombie virus. You don't turn into one when you're bit or scratched...which is what happens in just about every other zombie movie ever made.

Originally Posted by Spottedfeather (Post 11363242)

Coffee isn't a drug. It's a bean...which grows. Drugs are what people make. They don't just grow.

Originally Posted by Spottedfeather (Post 11363243)

I'm guessing you don't watch the show at all. All the people have the zombie virus. You don't turn into one when you're bit or scratched...which is what happens in just about every other zombie movie ever made.

Originally Posted by fujishig (Post 11363268)

It's because in that spoiler you posted above (which I read, much to my chagrin) you reference things that happen in the books that haven't happened yet in the series (to my knowledge). So which is it, did you read the GoT books (which I doubt because of what you compare the series to) or did you do an internet search to justify your point without getting any context?

Originally Posted by Spottedfeather (Post 11363241)

Again, what does the books have to with the tv show ? I hate the show. The books are fine. Also, I didn't overlook any context of the rape. Rape is rape, no matter how it happens.

Originally Posted by Jay G. (Post 11363269)

Coffee has caffeine, which is a naturally occurring drug, just like a lot of other drugs like cannibis, heroin, aspirin, nicotine, etc.

You definitely do turn into a zombie if bitten or scratched on that show, and for the first two seasons that was the only way known to turn into a zombie. As DeputyDave pointed out, several characters on the show had been turned that way.

The very last episode of season 2 did reveal that the virus went airborne, causing people that die of other causes to also resurrect as zombies. However, given your posts on Game of Thrones, I highly doubt you watched the show for two seasons and instead are relying on information taken from the internet. Anyone who had watched the show from day one would've recognized that it was clearly based off of Romero's zombies.

As for other zombie movies, several have strayed from the Romero model. The Return of the Living introduced the concept of zombies specifically targeting brains, which is not something Romero zombies have ever done, but has entered the lore. Later Romero films have upped the intelligence of some of the zombies. The 28 Days Later series went a completely different route and have "rage infected" living humans instead of resurrected dead.

It's like vampire films. There's a few common assumptions or "rules" about vampires, but each work on vampires establishes their own take. For example, there's the "rule" about vampires not being able to come out in daylight, or they'll burn. This is a very common rule, yet the seminal vampire novel, Dracula, directly contradicts the rule.

Originally Posted by DeputyDave (Post 11363304)

Because every reason you give for hating the characters comes from the books, not the show.

Originally Posted by DeputyDave (Post 11363289)

Yes I have seen it, have you ever seen a Romero zombie movie? Every person who dies (regardless of how) becomes a zombie only it doesn't say why (wrath of god, the earth passing through a comets tail, virus, etc.). Do you remember zombies rising from the graves in Night of the Living Dead? Do you think they were bitten in their graves? Just like Romero movies, being bitten causes death in a few hours and then you rise. The bite causes infection and death NOT zombification. Just being dead causes you to become a zombie. It wasn't until recent movies that they started the bite means infection and that's the only way you can turn BS.

Originally Posted by Spottedfeather (Post 11363314)

So, the books have nothing to do with the show ?

Originally Posted by Spottedfeather (Post 11363314)

Again, what does the books have to with the tv show?