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Re: Game of Thrones -- "A Man Without Honor" -- 5/13/12

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Originally Posted by CRM114 (Post 11231366)

You had an idea what was coming, but to me it was still a shocking scene nonetheless. It also showed how depraved JAime is and I don't think we've seen how viscous he is up until now (besides banging his sister and throwing Bran out of the window, that is. :lol:).

When alton talked about squiring for Jamie was the greatest moment of his life, and will remember it on his death bed or whatever.. I was thinking oh he is going to get it,.

Re: Game of Thrones -- "A Man Without Honor" -- 5/13/12

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Originally Posted by Groucho (Post 11231370)

I'm guessing that maybe there was a deleted scene where the trackers kept finding walnut shells, and made the association.

Now I am more confused. Didn't Bran say they couldn't go there? I thought they in fact did not travel to the farm.
:confused:

Re: Game of Thrones -- "A Man Without Honor" -- 5/13/12

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Originally Posted by Pharoh (Post 11231391)

Now I am more confused. Didn't Bran say they couldn't go there? I thought they in fact did not travel to the farm.
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The ending would imply that they did travel to the farm but we really don't know for certain Pharoh.

Re: Game of Thrones -- "A Man Without Honor" -- 5/13/12

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Originally Posted by Pharoh (Post 11231391)

Now I am more confused. Didn't Bran say they couldn't go there? I thought they in fact did not travel to the farm.
:confused:

That's what I initially thought, but then Osha said 'We had a good start on them, but we can't outrun hounds forever," leaving it open as to whether they would go to the farm or not.

Re: Game of Thrones -- "A Man Without Honor" -- 5/13/12

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Originally Posted by andicus (Post 11231433)

That's what I initially thought, but then Osha said 'We had a good start on them, but we can't outrun hounds forever," leaving it open as to whether they would go to the farm or not.

Maybe they bypassed the farm, but have been inadvertently leaving walnut shells like a trial of breadcrumbs for the trackers. The trackers reach the farm, torture those living on the farm thinking they must be abetting Bran, his brother, Osha, and the giant. They kill all of them out of frustration and hatch the plan to burn the two kids there, to later display them at Winterfell?

Thos.

Re: Game of Thrones -- "A Man Without Honor" -- 5/13/12

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Originally Posted by musick (Post 11230976)

me thinks

Spoiler:

I think it was beyond obvious that that is the case. Surprised to see so many people believing it is actually the Stark boys. I haven't read the books.

BTW, to those that have read the books, was Jaime's escape written the same way? I thought it was pretty ludicrous.

Really, really want to see what happens with Jon Snow.

Re: Game of Thrones -- "A Man Without Honor" -- 5/13/12

The escape did seem kind of pointless. One scene he is escaping and the next he is caught again by the same people.

Re: Game of Thrones -- "A Man Without Honor" -- 5/13/12

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Originally Posted by DeputyDave (Post 11231519)

The escape did seem kind of pointless. One scene he is escaping and the next he is caught again by the same people.

It wasn't pointless, it's getting all of the Stark soldier's riled up, wanting to kill him. I just thought the execution of the escape (and the moments leading up to it) were handled terribly. Seemed really unbelievable that the guard would be that stupid, and that no one else would be around to notice it going on.

Re: Game of Thrones -- "A Man Without Honor" -- 5/13/12

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Originally Posted by flashburn (Post 11231522)

I would think that, with all of the men at the camp, they would have more than one guard on their highest value prisoner. Especially when they put another prisoner in with him.

Re: Game of Thrones -- "A Man Without Honor" -- 5/13/12

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Originally Posted by flashburn (Post 11231502)

BTW, to those that have read the books, was Jaime's escape written the same way? I thought it was pretty ludicrous.

Spoiler:

Re: Game of Thrones -- "A Man Without Honor" -- 5/13/12

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Originally Posted by Thos19 (Post 11231459)

Everybody seems to be overlooking the obvious answer. Osha and Bran probably planted the walnut shells near the farmhouse in the hopes that Theon would mistakenly kill the orphans and they'd get away scot free.

No?

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I know you were joking but Bran did say they should avoid the farm so they did not get innocent people hung.

Re: Game of Thrones -- "A Man Without Honor" -- 5/13/12

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Originally Posted by Mordred (Post 11231600)

Re: Game of Thrones -- "A Man Without Honor" -- 5/13/12

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Originally Posted by Hiro11 (Post 11231276)

Jaime dispatching the Frey kid. Didn't see that coming.

That wasn't a Frey; Jaime killed his cousin, Alton Lannister, son of the only fat Lannister. :)

Re: Game of Thrones -- "A Man Without Honor" -- 5/13/12

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Originally Posted by Groucho (Post 11231584)

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Can you give some details about how it was handled in the book? Unless it spoils things we haven't seen yet in the show.

Re: Game of Thrones -- "A Man Without Honor" -- 5/13/12

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Originally Posted by flashburn (Post 11231643)

Can you give some details about how it was handled in the book? Unless it spoils things we haven't seen yet in the show.

I don't think this will spoil anything in the show...

Spoiler:

Re: Game of Thrones -- "A Man Without Honor" -- 5/13/12

The first season was so much better ...

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Originally Posted by Groucho (Post 11231653)

I don't think this will spoil anything in the show...

I think the book's scenario played out better than what we saw last night but it is what it is. :shrug:

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I think with all these questions about who did what and walnuts and showing this and not showing that it all points to one glaring thing:

Cramming all this content into 10 episodes is a detriment to the show.

Jamie's escape was stupid. It felt like they took him out to kick around for the guards death while the sun came up. Not that he got away, was hunted, and caught.

Re: Game of Thrones -- "A Man Without Honor" -- 5/13/12

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Originally Posted by flashburn (Post 11231502)

I think it was beyond obvious that that is the case. Surprised to see so many people believing it is actually the Stark boys. I haven't read the books.

Who believes it was the Stark boys?

Re: Game of Thrones -- "A Man Without Honor" -- 5/13/12

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Originally Posted by Mordred (Post 11231600)

Interesting! Hadn't thought about that.

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Originally Posted by CRM114 (Post 11231711)

Who believes it was the Stark boys?

Seems like half the people in this thread do.

Re: Game of Thrones -- "A Man Without Honor" -- 5/13/12

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Originally Posted by Groucho (Post 11231653)

I don't think this will spoil anything in the show...

Spoiler:

Ah okay, thanks a lot. I'd definitely prefer that version, but I understand why they couldn't use it.

Re: Game of Thrones -- "A Man Without Honor" -- 5/13/12

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Originally Posted by flashburn (Post 11231728)

Seems like half the people in this thread do.

THIS thread?

Re: Game of Thrones -- "A Man Without Honor" -- 5/13/12

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Originally Posted by DeputyDave (Post 11231741)

THIS thread?

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Re: Game of Thrones -- "A Man Without Honor" -- 5/13/12

There's absolutely no way that's Rickon and Bran Stark. It's obvious, people. :lol: Theon needs to have the respect of the soldiers below him...it's a recurring theme. Hence burning two bodies beyond the point of recognition....so they can't tell it's not Rickon and Bran.

Really confused by the Danerys storyline now. So is that freakish looking warlock (Pree, right?) holding her dragons captive? Obviously her and the three-named guy staged a coup over the Thirteen, but he's telling her where the dragons are...is he just daring her to try to rescue them? He said they should be with their mother, so I almost got the impression that he wants to give them up? Maybe I'm totally reading this wrong. NOT SPECULATION, SPOILER TAG IS OKAY, BUT DON'T GIVE THE STORY AWAY - JUST THE INTENT PLEASE. :)

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Originally Posted by pinata242 (Post 11230840)

Comparatively, this one was hurt (in my opinion) by shorter scenes. It seemed to jump a bit more frequently than other episodes. For instance, going back to Jon and Ygritte three or four times seemed unnecessary when it could have all been handled at once.

Still, if that's all I have to complain about, I'll gladly take it.

I didn't think it was hurt by it...but I definitely noticed the shorter scenes and quicker jumps.

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Originally Posted by Defiant1 (Post 11230868)

The King's Landing scenes are generally my favourite, mostly because Peter Dinklage has great chemistry with everyone there, especially Lena Headey. Their scene together was awesome. He was going to hug her when they both realized how awkward things were getting, which I found kinda funny. You know that Cersei is losing her shit when she is confiding in Tyrion of all people.

Agreed. It goes back to people talking about how there are no absolute good vs. evil scenarios here. You see Cersei as someone who is evil and fiendish, with this grand plot to put Joffrey on the Iron Throne...and now full of regret, as she'd no idea the monster Joffrey would become. First time that Cersei sparked something in me other than dislike.

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Originally Posted by musick (Post 11230976)

me thinks

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Agreed.

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Originally Posted by The Bus (Post 11231108)

I want Hodor to win an Emmy.

Hodor. Hodorhodorhodor. Hodor!

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Originally Posted by CRM114 (Post 11231160)

HBO's website seems to state that those are the remains of the Stark boys. That would be pretty lame if they turn out not to be.

They're NOT. :lol: You can tell by my signature that I'm not spoiling it...it's just that obvious.

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Originally Posted by DeputyDave (Post 11231185)

I would be willing to bet they are not the Starks. I just can't see them dying without showing it and losing many men to the wolves. I was very shocked by the cousin's death though, I was really beginning to like him. My first thought was, "wouldn't have faking being hurt/sick have worked as well?"

I thought that scene was obvious...I even said "You have to die" right along with Jamie. :lol: It needed to be shown how desperate and ruthless Jamie is, and that he'll do anything to try to escape.

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Originally Posted by Decker (Post 11231194)

Some nice character scenes, as mentioned previously. Those scenes with Arya and the senior Lanister were really entertaining to watch -- what great chemistry those two have on-screen.

Arya and Tywin Lannister are absolutely fantastic together. I was smiling the whole time during that scene. He has a lot of respect for her and geniunely enjoys having her around. I'd watch 52 minutes of those two together, I think.

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Originally Posted by pinata242 (Post 11231238)

<s>Even though it involved Jaime and wasn't this episode, it was the second season ;)

It was in the first episode.</s>

Whoops, it was in the season one finale.

NO TALK ABOUT SEASON ONE IN THE SEASON TWO EPISODE THREADS!!!! :lol: Kidding...just giving you a hard time. :)

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Originally Posted by Decker (Post 11231248)

I think it's to trick the folks in Winterfall. Everything Theon does now is to keep up the appearance of being a strong leader.

Bingo.

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Originally Posted by pinata242 (Post 11231283)

There is no Jeyne in the show. It's Talisa. You need to stop directly comparing this to the source material. Besides, you'd be happier in the other thread.

Also if you think something is ham-fisted or missed the mark, maybe just wait until the next episode or the season is over? This show isn't meant to have stand-alone episodes.

See, this is going to now confuse me in Book #2, so I have to ask (SPOILER TAGS PLEASE): are Jeyne/Talisa the same person? If not, is Talisa the books? I agree with Pinata here...don't refer to someone as another name. At best, you're confusing us who haven't read the books, and at worst, you're spoiling something.

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Originally Posted by Thos19 (Post 11231459)

Hodor.

Re: Game of Thrones -- "A Man Without Honor" -- 5/13/12

Then HBO's website shouldn't say it's the Stark boys. The synopsis doesn't leave it up to question - it's stated as fact.

But I still don't believe it is them. I don't think Theon has it in him. I could be wrong.

Also, are we to assume Cat is going to off Jaime?

Re: Game of Thrones -- "A Man Without Honor" -- 5/13/12

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Originally Posted by argh923 (Post 11231862)

Really confused by the Danerys storyline now. So is that freakish looking warlock (Pree, right?) holding her dragons captive? Obviously her and the three-named guy staged a coup over the Thirteen, but he's telling her where the dragons are...is he just daring her to try to rescue them? He said they should be with their mother, so I almost got the impression that he wants to give them up? Maybe I'm totally reading this wrong. NOT SPECULATION, SPOILER TAG IS OKAY, BUT DON'T GIVE THE STORY AWAY - JUST THE INTENT PLEASE. :)

In the book...

Spoiler:

Re: Game of Thrones -- "A Man Without Honor" -- 5/13/12

I'm still thrown by Jamie's shocking revelation that the only woman he's ever been with was Cersie. Here is what appears to be the closest thing Westeros has to a Rock Star and the only person he's ever fucked is his (married) twin sister? That's just so, so wrong. You've got nothing to be ashamed of any more, Jon Snow.

Re: Game of Thrones -- "A Man Without Honor" -- 5/13/12

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Originally Posted by CRM114 (Post 11231881)

Then HBO's website shouldn't say it's the Stark boys. The synopsis doesn't leave it up to question - it's stated as fact.

No, the quote you posted says that Theon is "offering a message to those that defy him..." The whole point of the "message" is to make the people think it is the Starks.

BTW what happened to you being done with these threads?

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Originally Posted by argh923 (Post 11231862)

I couldn't tell either. Pree or whatever is a hard read, but it almost seemed like he expected Dany to be pleased by the revelation that the dragons were safe in his care, and that she would agree to stay with them. Not sure why he would have that impression though. So he might also just be a creepy fuck.

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Yeah, especially since she (and Jorah, as well) seemed to be terrified by him.

Is anyone else besides me a Jorah fan? I'm a huge fan of his...I love the character.

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Originally Posted by argh923 (Post 11231972)

Yeah, especially since she (and Jorah, as well) seemed to be terrified by him.

Is anyone else besides me a Jorah fan? I'm a huge fan of his...I love the character.

He's probably my favorite character on the show. Or top 3. I love how old school he is.

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Originally Posted by RUSF18 (Post 11231951)

No, the quote you posted says that Theon is "offering a massage to those that defy him..."

Gross

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Originally Posted by Nausicaa (Post 11231982)

He's probably my favorite character on the show. Or top 3. I love how old school he is.

For me it's Tyrion, then Arya, then Jorah. Renly was probably #4. :(

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Originally Posted by Edgler Vess (Post 11231655)

The first season was so much better ...

Nonsense

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Originally Posted by Edgler Vess (Post 11231655)

The first season was so much better ...

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Originally Posted by Gunde (Post 11232063)

Nonsense

You may prefer the first season, but there's no way anyone can say it was, "so much better."

I am thrilled with the entire thing and can't believe the consistency of quality.

Re: Game of Thrones -- "A Man Without Honor" -- 5/13/12

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Originally Posted by Nausicaa (Post 11231956)

Xaro doesn't appear to want the dragons, so he let Pree take them in exchange for help in becoming king. Pree acts like he doesn't want the dragons either, but it's impossible to tell what his real motivations are. He seems more interested in getting Dany to the House of the Undying for what we can only presume will be a really creepy purpose.