Re: Game of Thrones -- "A Man Without Honor" -- 5/13/12
 

<s>Even though it involved Jaime and wasn't this episode, it was the second season ;)

It was in the first episode.</s>

Whoops, it was in the season one finale.

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I can't tell Theon's play with killing the kids. I know it wasn't the Stark boys, but did they just torture the kids to try and get some info on the Starks' whereabouts after finding the nuts and 'confirming' the Starks were there?

Or did Theon choose to kill them such that their remains are unidentifiable, so he can temporarily pretend he killed to Stark boys?

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I think it's to trick the folks in Winterfall. Everything Theon does now is to keep up the appearance of being a strong leader.

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Gotta love Theon punching one of his men for insubordination and then clutching his hand in pain afterward.

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That's what I'm thinking too. Otherwise, why show it off to the old guy whose name I can't remember right now?

Theon has officially surpassed Joffrey for me. I want Theon to SUFFER! At least until we catch a glimpse of Joffrey's next play at senseless cruelty.

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I don't think Theon has reached Joffrey levels at all. Joffrey killed Ned and is a total douche. Theon seems like he's still uncertain about all of this.

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Killing Ned, who confessed to treason in front of the people and the gods, is worse than hunting down two young boys and burning them? Okay...

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Another thing that doesn't make sense IF it wasn't the Starks (and I'm sure it wasn't) was Theon's reaction to seeing the bodies. Surely he knows they were not them.

I guess it was a reaction simply to killing two innocent children. My guess is his 2nd in command realized they would not find the Starks, knew that if Theon couldn't produce the boys he would face a mutiny, and then decided they should kill the boys who lived at the farm in a way that they couldn't be identified. That is why he told Theon to send the Maester away, not to spare him the sight as I first suspected, but so he wouldn't reveal the plan. The youngest Stark made a point to mention the two boys who lived at the farm earlier in the episode. What I can't figure out is what the walnut shells have to do with that. Maybe it was just a red herring to throw off the viewers.

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Joffrey is in his own league of doucheness. Theon will never make it to that league since he has guilt.

Re: Game of Thrones -- "A Man Without Honor" -- 5/13/12
 

Very uneven episode, IMO:

I liked:
The Quarth scenes have become fascinating in this episode. I have no idea where they're going with this plot but I like it. Love what they've done with Daxos and Pree. Also, the scene with Jorah and "creepy unnamed woman with mask" was effective for some reason I can't put my finger on.

Great scene between Tyrion and Cersei. Cersei is brilliantly written and acted this season.

Williams and Dance continues to be terrific. The producers clearly realized they had something with these two and wrote a bunch of scenes for them. Loved the "m'lord" stuff.

The final scene was just brutal. Theon has created a monster and doesn't know what to do. He's unhinged. Finchy's constant leering/smirking presence has started to deeply creep me out.

Jaime dispatching the Frey kid. Didn't see that coming.

Roose Bolton sneaking around in the frame is a bit icky. Lord Karstark making his desires known. Robb's control is starting to slip a bit.

Stuff I didn't like:
Robb and Jeyne. On one hand, it's slightly interesting because Robb is playing with fire (as his mother warned him), but otherwise they have no onscreen chemistry and the scene had no real point beyond giving them time onscreen together.

Jorah and Dany's scene. Rehashing character points. We get it.

The scene between Sansa and the Hound was hamfisted and obvious.

What was the point of the scene with Jaime and Cat? It reminded me of Hannibal Lecter winding Clarisse up: just a little camp. Missed the mark.

Ygritte and Jon. Unlike Robb/Jeyne they have a nice chemistry but the scenes were too long and too talky. Lots of shots of them wandering around in Iceland with endless obvious talk about "freedom" and "honor".

This episode had some of the best stuff from this season and some of the worst.

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In that world? Yes.

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I was just being sensitive to others :D

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Theon is a man without a place -- treated well by the Starks and yet still a hostage no less and his captivity was long enough that he is not really thought of as a Greyjoy either. He's trying to make his own way and is not finding much success so far.

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There is no Jeyne in the show. It's Talisa. You need to stop directly comparing this to the source material. Besides, you'd be happier in the other thread.

Also if you think something is ham-fisted or missed the mark, maybe just wait until the next episode or the season is over? This show isn't meant to have stand-alone episodes.

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:lol:

You magnificent bastard!

Another great episode. I loved Dance and the girl sparring again.

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That would be my guess, unless walnuts supposed to be some sort of status food that you wouldn't find in a small community.

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If you're going down this path, why not just assume that guy carried the shells from Winterfell and didn't find them at the farm?

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Ah, that makes sense.

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Remember a few episodes ago when Bran was holding court at Winterfell? Rickon was sitting beside him smashing walnuts before Bran told him to stop. He apparently loves them. I think thats the connection that they are implying.

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I find your endless self-assigned policing of these threads really annoying. After being an irritating nit-picker for a few weeks, you've now graduated to trying to tell me what thread to post in. Who are you?

Also, when did I compare anything to the original material? Who gives a shit what her name is? The point remains. Stop putting words in my mouth.

This doesn't even make sense, I now can't have an opinion about a scene until the entire season plays out?

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Perhaps you shouldn't have an opinion until the entire series plays out. That really is the only way. Except of course for the one and only arbiter.
:lol:



Though I wonder, by that logic can anybody have a favourable thought on an episode?

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I didn't tell you to not post, I pointed out that you'd feel more comfortable there.

Constantly? You're calling her Jeyne which isn't her name so it's very clear how you're approaching the material. Again, just trying to help you.

You can, my point is that after 17 episodes, maybe you give them the benefit of the doubt before saying it failed?

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God forbid anyone criticizes anything about GoT!

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See and I thought this was ham fisted and obvious. The heart to heart all the while with the kid inching closer and closer. I was all "Just choke him out already!" :lol: I thought that was way too stretched out for the obvious conclusion.

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Who asked you?



Did I ask for your "help"?

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I criticized earlier, but I guess that goes against your current hyperbole.

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I know what they were implying (they telegraphed that). I was just agreeing with DeputyDave that it could be a red herring, unless walnuts are supposed to be really uncommon.

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Then at least take a few seconds to do your own fact-checking before you further blur the line between book and show information and what can be considered spoilers by those that don't know.

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Exactly. It seems there are certain works of entertainment that their fans won't tolerate any criticism, even when warranted. Nothing is perfect. And most every single person I've seen who has mildly criticised an episode or scene, has also praised other aspects of the show. It isn't blind criticism or trolling.

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Yeah, I thought the same thing. Every time he moved closer, I figured he was about to get it.

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Name a spoiler in my post. I'm done with you.

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:banana:

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You're silly. If you seriously cannot follow this logic based on how others view things and the history of these threads with things like "Stormborn", then there's nothing to be done.

Keep calling Talisa by the name of someone not even in the show and see where that gets you.

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Okay, I didn't remember that, but my question is what do the Iron Born know of his penchant for walnuts?

And I have to admit, I didn't even see at first they were walnuts.

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I really loved this episode. In fact, it might be my favorite of the second season. It's probably because of the abundance of Jaime though. His dialogue with the cousin was great even though it seemed obvious to me what was going to happen. I really hope he gets more screen time this season.

Cersei's talks with Tywin and Sansa admitting that she has no idea what to do with Joffrey were really good too. Nice to see that while she loves her child, she's not blind to his actions.

Those location shots with John are amazing. I'm still awed every time by how perfectly it works for north of the wall. Too bad he didn't take Ygritte up on her offer while he still had the chance.

Can't wait for next week.

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Theon lived with them for years, he would have known. The better question is how his 2nd knew (what is his name?). He's the one who was obviously behind the whole "plot".

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You had an idea what was coming, but to me it was still a shocking scene nonetheless. It also showed how depraved JAime is and I don't think we've seen how viscous he is up until now (besides banging his sister and throwing Bran out of the window, that is. :lol:).

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I'm guessing that maybe there was a deleted scene where the trackers kept finding walnut shells, and made the association.

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These threads are so dangerous; a banning around every corner it sometimes seems. That's why I changed my sig. Just in case one of my guesses is too close to the book.