Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
04-20-12 | 10:45 PM
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
Now, in theory, if Robert was still alive, Robert could legitimize him. Then, in the eyes of Westeros society, he would no longer be a bastard. But with Robert dead, that's not going to happen.
04-20-12 | 10:46 PM
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
04-21-12 | 12:54 AM
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
He is not in line for the throne. Bastards have no social standing in Westeros. None. It does not matter who his father was. As far as succession is concerned, he might as well be Yoren's bastard son.
Now, in theory, if Robert was still alive, Robert could legitimize him. Then, in the eyes of Westeros society, he would no longer be a bastard. But with Robert dead, that's not going to happen.
Now, in theory, if Robert was still alive, Robert could legitimize him. Then, in the eyes of Westeros society, he would no longer be a bastard. But with Robert dead, that's not going to happen.
All of Robert's bastards have dark hair. None of his "legitimate" children do. The rumor is that Jamie is the father (who has blonde hair like Cersei) and the bastards are the proof.
That's it. No lines of succession with the bastards. They just prove Joffery is the product of incest and not Robert's son, therefore the line of succession is supposed to go to Stannis.
04-21-12 | 01:23 AM
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
It baffles me how people are still confused about Robert's bastards.
All of Robert's bastards have dark hair. None of his "legitimate" children do. The rumor is that Jamie is the father (who has blonde hair like Cersei) and the bastards are the proof.
That's it. No lines of succession with the bastards. They just prove Joffery is the product of incest and not Robert's son, therefore the line of succession is supposed to go to Stannis.
All of Robert's bastards have dark hair. None of his "legitimate" children do. The rumor is that Jamie is the father (who has blonde hair like Cersei) and the bastards are the proof.
That's it. No lines of succession with the bastards. They just prove Joffery is the product of incest and not Robert's son, therefore the line of succession is supposed to go to Stannis.
04-21-12 | 02:09 AM
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
It baffles me how people are still confused about Robert's bastards.
All of Robert's bastards have dark hair. None of his "legitimate" children do. The rumor is that Jamie is the father (who has blonde hair like Cersei) and the bastards are the proof.
That's it. No lines of succession with the bastards. They just prove Joffery is the product of incest and not Robert's son, therefore the line of succession is supposed to go to Stannis.
All of Robert's bastards have dark hair. None of his "legitimate" children do. The rumor is that Jamie is the father (who has blonde hair like Cersei) and the bastards are the proof.
That's it. No lines of succession with the bastards. They just prove Joffery is the product of incest and not Robert's son, therefore the line of succession is supposed to go to Stannis.
04-21-12 | 02:10 AM
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
It doesn't matter. Joffrey sits the throne and there's no proof he shouldn't. There's no Maury in Westeros.
04-21-12 | 02:35 AM
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04-21-12 | 04:05 AM
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
People, quit worrying about Martin's health. Deep Discount already sent me Books 6-10 along with a tee-shirt to bribe me not to sell them on eBay.
04-21-12 | 04:15 AM
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
RE: Natalie Dormer...I liked her in Tudors (although way too much time was devoted to the Boleyn storyline), but she does need to tone down the smirk. Maybe a production assistant could be assigned to feed her a tablespoon of sugar before she shoots a scene. She & Rene Z. should have a pout-off sometime. I do like Natalie more than I thought I would.
It was humorous watching Renly's uncomfortable reactions & denials while Margaery unabashedly offered every possible scenario to getting him "started" as if she were discussing different ways of arranging the garden to get the best results.
I think that, if done properly, it'd be kinda cool if HBO had a followup show after each episode. Not Talking Dead-style (although I really like the fun approach they take), but just something for us GOT geeks in which episodes are discussed, actors guest, close-up looks are taken, etc. I know they do the "Inside the Episode" and the On Demand extras (which last a couple of minutes each), but there's so much fan interest that it might be fun to see the show discussed.
I'd love to see Youtube Larry get to sit down across from "His ***** Ned" Sean Bean. And there are so many secondary characters that they'd never run out of guests. Heck, just inviting somebody whose character died in that particular episode would give them an endless supply.
It was humorous watching Renly's uncomfortable reactions & denials while Margaery unabashedly offered every possible scenario to getting him "started" as if she were discussing different ways of arranging the garden to get the best results.
I think that, if done properly, it'd be kinda cool if HBO had a followup show after each episode. Not Talking Dead-style (although I really like the fun approach they take), but just something for us GOT geeks in which episodes are discussed, actors guest, close-up looks are taken, etc. I know they do the "Inside the Episode" and the On Demand extras (which last a couple of minutes each), but there's so much fan interest that it might be fun to see the show discussed.
I'd love to see Youtube Larry get to sit down across from "His ***** Ned" Sean Bean. And there are so many secondary characters that they'd never run out of guests. Heck, just inviting somebody whose character died in that particular episode would give them an endless supply.
04-21-12 | 09:53 AM
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
Ratings are in for Game of THrones:
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118052931?refCatId=14
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118052931?refCatId=14
Spring tends to sap the ratings strength of just about every show, but some -- including HBO's "Game of Thrones" -- are holding up better than most.
After kicking off its second season with a series-best 3.8 million viewers, the lavish fantasy epic proceeded to deliver about the same number of viewers with each of its three subsequent episodes, according to Nielsen estimates.
This in itself is impressive, as daylight-saving time, school breaks and other spring distractions conspire to drag down the ratings for even TV's biggest hits at this time of year. Also, most shows tend to see ratings declines following their premieres, no matter what time of year.
But for the week of April 9-15, "Game of Thrones" also achieved another impressive feat as it stood as cable's top-rated scripted primetime program for the week in both total viewers and adults 18-49 (see chart, left), topping the likes of FX's "Justified" and AMC's "Mad Men." This despite the fact that HBO is available in roughly 30 million homes, compared with basic-cable biggies like USA and TNT that are available in 100 million or more homes.
HBO isn't necessarily in the ratings game -- the pay cabler cares more about supplying its subscribers with satisfying programming than how a program draws on any single night -- but it can use the initial telecast of any show to garner interest. And "Throne's" average audience for the Sunday 9 p.m. airings this spring (3.8 million) is up about 50% from a year ago (2.3 million).
Looking only at HBO homes, "Thrones" is averaging an 8.3 rating, meaning roughly one in 12 subscriber households is watching the premiere telecast. This is about what TV's most-watched Sunday series, "60 Minutes," was averaging this month.
Of course, nearly everybody who watches the CBS newsmag does so on Sunday night, while HBO gives fans of "Thrones" numerous chances to watch the show every week. If you count the dozen replays on HBO (including two immediately following the initial Sunday telecast) and the network's on-demand service, the show's gross audience surpasses 11 million, compared with 9.3 million for its rookie season, HBO says.
After kicking off its second season with a series-best 3.8 million viewers, the lavish fantasy epic proceeded to deliver about the same number of viewers with each of its three subsequent episodes, according to Nielsen estimates.
This in itself is impressive, as daylight-saving time, school breaks and other spring distractions conspire to drag down the ratings for even TV's biggest hits at this time of year. Also, most shows tend to see ratings declines following their premieres, no matter what time of year.
But for the week of April 9-15, "Game of Thrones" also achieved another impressive feat as it stood as cable's top-rated scripted primetime program for the week in both total viewers and adults 18-49 (see chart, left), topping the likes of FX's "Justified" and AMC's "Mad Men." This despite the fact that HBO is available in roughly 30 million homes, compared with basic-cable biggies like USA and TNT that are available in 100 million or more homes.
HBO isn't necessarily in the ratings game -- the pay cabler cares more about supplying its subscribers with satisfying programming than how a program draws on any single night -- but it can use the initial telecast of any show to garner interest. And "Throne's" average audience for the Sunday 9 p.m. airings this spring (3.8 million) is up about 50% from a year ago (2.3 million).
Looking only at HBO homes, "Thrones" is averaging an 8.3 rating, meaning roughly one in 12 subscriber households is watching the premiere telecast. This is about what TV's most-watched Sunday series, "60 Minutes," was averaging this month.
Of course, nearly everybody who watches the CBS newsmag does so on Sunday night, while HBO gives fans of "Thrones" numerous chances to watch the show every week. If you count the dozen replays on HBO (including two immediately following the initial Sunday telecast) and the network's on-demand service, the show's gross audience surpasses 11 million, compared with 9.3 million for its rookie season, HBO says.
04-21-12 | 12:17 PM
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
Sophie Turner (Sansa) looked gorgeous in this episode. I don't want to knock a teenaged girl's looks, but up until now, I didn't really like her as Sansa. I didn't think she was portrayed as being pretty enough, as Sansa is supposed to be one of the prettiest girls around. BUT I'll now blame that on past hairstyles or makeup or dress, because she finally looked the part tonight.
Sansa is one of my favorite characters in the books, so I'm just picky about how she is portrayed.
On another casting note, the actress playing Brienne is just perfect for this role. It's odd that two of the seemingly most difficult roles to cast for physical reasons, Tryion and Brienne, couldn't have possibly been cast any better. While some of the easier roles to cast have missed the mark, IMO.
Sansa is one of my favorite characters in the books, so I'm just picky about how she is portrayed.
On another casting note, the actress playing Brienne is just perfect for this role. It's odd that two of the seemingly most difficult roles to cast for physical reasons, Tryion and Brienne, couldn't have possibly been cast any better. While some of the easier roles to cast have missed the mark, IMO.
04-21-12 | 02:25 PM
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On another casting note, the actress playing Brienne is just perfect for this role. It's odd that two of the seemingly most difficult roles to cast for physical reasons, Tyrion and Brienne, couldn't have possibly been cast any better. While some of the easier roles to cast have missed the mark, IMO.
Which roles do you think should have been cast differently?
04-21-12 | 07:18 PM
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The current Renly looks a little too wimpy and wishy-washy IMO. And way too common-looking. He doesn't stand out physically. I also think he looks a little too much like Littlefinger, which may have confused some viewers.
I have a few other nit-picks, and they're mainly from slight deviations from the descriptions in the novels. I think Catelyn Stark should look a little younger (actress Jennifer Ehle was originally cast in this role, but dropped out. I think Ehle would have made a better Catelyn). I think Margaery should look younger and more innocent. Yara/Asha Greyjoy doesn't look tough enough. The show's Margaery looks more wicked and more dangerous than the show's Asha, which is odd. Red Priestess Melisandre should be more voluptuous (though I do think the current actress IS super-hot). Davos looks too old. And little Prince Tommen should be a plump little butterball of a boy. I was surprised we got a skinny Tommen.
I'd say a good 90% of the casting is near-perfect on this show (more perfection - Arya, Yoren, Varys, Pycelle, Ned Stark, Drogo, and others). And the ones that aren't perfect are still pretty darn good. Jofferey doesn't have his blonde curls, but the actor is so damn great in the role I don't care. I just like to nit-pick, and like many novel readers, had strong images of these characters in mind for years before the show started, which are hard to shake. But the show is awesome regardless.
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04-21-12 | 07:24 PM
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
I think Tyrion is actually poorly cast, but he's played well. He is not supposed to be attractive at all.
04-21-12 | 07:36 PM
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
I'm only on the first book so far, so not enough in for all of the characters seen on the show, so take my comments below from that viewpoint.
As far as physical description and age, the show is way off on most characters - they seldom look very close to what is described and are either clearly older or younger than written. But as for internal features and how they are played, I think the show has done well for representing the characters I've read about so far.
As far as physical description and age, the show is way off on most characters - they seldom look very close to what is described and are either clearly older or younger than written. But as for internal features and how they are played, I think the show has done well for representing the characters I've read about so far.
04-21-12 | 10:53 PM
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04-21-12 | 11:16 PM
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Seriously, move that shit to the book spoiler thread. It has no business in the weekly show thread, even hidden behind spoiler tags.
04-22-12 | 07:22 PM
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04-22-12 | 07:54 PM
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04-23-12 | 10:33 AM
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
I've read the books, and I had pictured Renly as a big, strong, handsome, athletic-type. He's supposed to look like how King Robert looked in his prime. And an important distinction between Renly and Stannis is that people love Renly, so I thought he should be more rugged and handsome. He should look like a movie star or a Westeros star athlete.
The current Renly looks a little too wimpy and wishy-washy IMO. And way too common-looking. He doesn't stand out physically. I also think he looks a little too much like Littlefinger, which may have confused some viewers.
I have a few other nit-picks, and they're mainly from slight deviations from the descriptions in the novels. I think Catelyn Stark should look a little younger (actress Jennifer Ehle was originally cast in this role, but dropped out. I think Ehle would have made a better Catelyn). I think Margaery should look younger and more innocent. Yara/Asha Greyjoy doesn't look tough enough. The show's Margaery looks more wicked and more dangerous than the show's Asha, which is odd. Red Priestess Melisandre should be more voluptuous (though I do think the current actress IS super-hot). Davos looks too old. And little Prince Tommen should be a plump little butterball of a boy. I was surprised we got a skinny Tommen.
I'd say a good 90% of the casting is near-perfect on this show (more perfection - Arya, Yoren, Varys, Pycelle, Ned Stark, Drogo, and others). And the ones that aren't perfect are still pretty darn good. Jofferey doesn't have his blonde curls, but the actor is so damn great in the role I don't care. I just like to nit-pick, and like many novel readers, had strong images of these characters in mind for years before the show started, which are hard to shake. But the show is awesome regardless.
The current Renly looks a little too wimpy and wishy-washy IMO. And way too common-looking. He doesn't stand out physically. I also think he looks a little too much like Littlefinger, which may have confused some viewers.
I have a few other nit-picks, and they're mainly from slight deviations from the descriptions in the novels. I think Catelyn Stark should look a little younger (actress Jennifer Ehle was originally cast in this role, but dropped out. I think Ehle would have made a better Catelyn). I think Margaery should look younger and more innocent. Yara/Asha Greyjoy doesn't look tough enough. The show's Margaery looks more wicked and more dangerous than the show's Asha, which is odd. Red Priestess Melisandre should be more voluptuous (though I do think the current actress IS super-hot). Davos looks too old. And little Prince Tommen should be a plump little butterball of a boy. I was surprised we got a skinny Tommen.
I'd say a good 90% of the casting is near-perfect on this show (more perfection - Arya, Yoren, Varys, Pycelle, Ned Stark, Drogo, and others). And the ones that aren't perfect are still pretty darn good. Jofferey doesn't have his blonde curls, but the actor is so damn great in the role I don't care. I just like to nit-pick, and like many novel readers, had strong images of these characters in mind for years before the show started, which are hard to shake. But the show is awesome regardless.
Spoiler:
04-23-12 | 06:47 PM
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
Arya isn't ugly in the books. When they call her horse face, it's because she's got a long Stark face compared to the rounder Tully face. But she's not ugly -- in fact, she looks like Lyanna.
04-24-12 | 01:15 PM
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
Realize that actually, but she still might be unattractive, just not flat out ugly. What's read is about how certain people perceive things, once says ugly, another that she looks like Lyanna. But for all we know Lyanna's looks are exaggerated.