Game of Thrones -- Season Premiere -- "The North Remembers" -- 4/01/12
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Re: Game of Thrones -- Season Premiere -- "The North Remembers" -- 4/01/12
This is probably the easiest map to follow the major locations in the show/book, the books have much more detailed maps at the beginning:
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No, he was on trial at the Eyrie, which is the seat of power of the Arryn family. Lysa Arryn is Catelyn Stark's sister and basically ran the place after Jon Arryn was murdered just before the beginning of season 1.
I thought the religion stuff was pretty easy to figure out, but I have read the books. I think it was spelled out enough when Maester Cressen was pleading with the people on the beach not to abandon their old gods for this new one, but obviously Melisandre wields a lot of power. I hope nobody sees this as a spoiler, but at least from reading the books, Stannis sees Melisandre as more of a means to and end... I've never really got the impression that he actually believes any of her mumbo jumbo, but it's enough that she's able to convince his people that she is dangerous.
I thought the religion stuff was pretty easy to figure out, but I have read the books. I think it was spelled out enough when Maester Cressen was pleading with the people on the beach not to abandon their old gods for this new one, but obviously Melisandre wields a lot of power. I hope nobody sees this as a spoiler, but at least from reading the books, Stannis sees Melisandre as more of a means to and end... I've never really got the impression that he actually believes any of her mumbo jumbo, but it's enough that she's able to convince his people that she is dangerous.
I can totally understand how someone who hasn't read the books can get confused. I don't think it was totally clear last night that the wooden statues burning were essentially effigies of the other religion. But I guess there are people who can pick up on that type of detail better than I can.
04-02-12, 05:51 PM
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The King of the North!
I can't stop thinking/saying some of these phrases.
I can't stop thinking/saying some of these phrases.
Spoiler:
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Great premier. I've re-watched Season 1 recently which really helped clear up some of the questions I had when I first saw it.
The only question I have is... now it seems that practically everyone of power knows that Joffrey Cersei and Jamie's son, whereas before only Ned Stark seemed to be in the know. How did word leak out?
The only question I have is... now it seems that practically everyone of power knows that Joffrey Cersei and Jamie's son, whereas before only Ned Stark seemed to be in the know. How did word leak out?
04-02-12, 08:56 PM
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Re: Game of Thrones -- Season Premiere -- "The North Remembers" -- 4/01/12
Stannis said in his meeting he wouldnt make the same mistake Ned made by keeping that a secret. He sent out ravens to spread the info.
04-02-12, 09:03 PM
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Great premier. I've re-watched Season 1 recently which really helped clear up some of the questions I had when I first saw it.
The only question I have is... now it seems that practically everyone of power knows that Joffrey Cersei and Jamie's son, whereas before only Ned Stark seemed to be in the know. How did word leak out?
The only question I have is... now it seems that practically everyone of power knows that Joffrey Cersei and Jamie's son, whereas before only Ned Stark seemed to be in the know. How did word leak out?
He is. Of all the kings rattling their sabres in Westeros, he is by far the most experienced in battle, known for his ruthlessness. Joffrey and Renly have never fought anything and Robb Stark, although doing quite well with his three victories so far, has only fought in these three relatively minor battles.
04-02-12, 09:20 PM
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Re: Game of Thrones -- Season Premiere -- "The North Remembers" -- 4/01/12
Great premier. I've re-watched Season 1 recently which really helped clear up some of the questions I had when I first saw it.
The only question I have is... now it seems that practically everyone of power knows that Joffrey Cersei and Jamie's son, whereas before only Ned Stark seemed to be in the know. How did word leak out?
The only question I have is... now it seems that practically everyone of power knows that Joffrey Cersei and Jamie's son, whereas before only Ned Stark seemed to be in the know. How did word leak out?
04-02-12, 09:26 PM
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Ah, I guess I need to watch the first season again for the third time. This is a very dense show. I absolutely love it!
04-02-12, 09:45 PM
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04-03-12, 01:46 AM
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Re: Game of Thrones -- Season Premiere -- "The North Remembers" -- 4/01/12
OK -- that's Gendry. Since he's a bastard, he has zero claim to the throne. Here's a rundown of the claimants we've seen so far:
Joffrey: If he is, in fact, Robert's trueborn son, then he is Robert's rightful heir.
Stannis: If Robert has no trueborn children, then the throne passes to Robert's next oldest brother, Stannis.
Renly: Renly is Stannis and Robert's younger brother. He doesn't have a legitimate claim to the throne per se while Stannis is alive, but his position is that Stannis would make a terrible king, and Renly is therefore next in line.
Daenerys: She is the head of the Targaryen line, which was deposed about 20 years before the events of the show. If we're going to have a revolution, why not restore the Targaryens, who had rules for three centuries prior.
Robb: Not a claimant to the Iron Throne per se. He wants to be the king in an independent North (the North had been independent until the Targaryen conquest, three centuries prior to the events of the show). As far as he's concerned, Joffrey, Stannis, and Renly can do what they like with the south.
Joffrey: If he is, in fact, Robert's trueborn son, then he is Robert's rightful heir.
Stannis: If Robert has no trueborn children, then the throne passes to Robert's next oldest brother, Stannis.
Renly: Renly is Stannis and Robert's younger brother. He doesn't have a legitimate claim to the throne per se while Stannis is alive, but his position is that Stannis would make a terrible king, and Renly is therefore next in line.
Daenerys: She is the head of the Targaryen line, which was deposed about 20 years before the events of the show. If we're going to have a revolution, why not restore the Targaryens, who had rules for three centuries prior.
Robb: Not a claimant to the Iron Throne per se. He wants to be the king in an independent North (the North had been independent until the Targaryen conquest, three centuries prior to the events of the show). As far as he's concerned, Joffrey, Stannis, and Renly can do what they like with the south.
04-03-12, 06:23 AM
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I don't think I hate anyone on TV as much as I hate Joffrey. He is like everything the Harry Potter franchise tried to do with Draco Malfoy, only times a million billion trillion. Just the actors face makes me want to gag.
It's great!
It's great!
04-03-12, 06:53 AM
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Re: Game of Thrones -- Season Premiere -- "The North Remembers" -- 4/01/12
I have a soft spot for Gendry. He is the bastard son of Robert Baratheon. He was the boy that Ned visited at the blacksmith.
Currently Gendry has escaped Kings Landing and is on his way to the Wall with Arya.
Currently Gendry has escaped Kings Landing and is on his way to the Wall with Arya.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- Season Premiere -- "The North Remembers" -- 4/01/12
There's also that guy north of the wall that the other guy with all the daughters mentioned. I'm sure I'm butchering the spelling, but it sounded like Mansrader or something. Not so much a claimant to the throne directly, but more like someone who just wants to rally an army and go invade.
Of course, given what we've seen so far, it doesn't look like the area north of the wall is really all that populated, so perhaps he's just someone with a few crackpot followers who thinks that they're stronger than they are.
Of course, given what we've seen so far, it doesn't look like the area north of the wall is really all that populated, so perhaps he's just someone with a few crackpot followers who thinks that they're stronger than they are.
04-03-12, 09:26 AM
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There's also that guy north of the wall that the other guy with all the daughters mentioned. I'm sure I'm butchering the spelling, but it sounded like Mansrader or something. Not so much a claimant to the throne directly, but more like someone who just wants to rally an army and go invade.
Of course, given what we've seen so far, it doesn't look like the area north of the wall is really all that populated, so perhaps he's just someone with a few crackpot followers who thinks that they're stronger than they are.
Of course, given what we've seen so far, it doesn't look like the area north of the wall is really all that populated, so perhaps he's just someone with a few crackpot followers who thinks that they're stronger than they are.