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dhmac 12-06-11 07:26 AM

Re: Dexter -- "Ricochet Rabbit" -- 12/04/11
 

Originally Posted by Shazam (Post 11031635)
Matthews die? Why? And by who?

I just suggested him as an example of a recurring character being killed. Given that the DD Killer(s) are going to attack the police station with poison gas, there's a chance that the show kills a recurring character to shock us a bit, and they might go big (for example Deb, which I think is unlikely) or small (someone like Matthews, which I think is more likely).

Shazam 12-06-11 10:32 AM

Re: Dexter -- "Ricochet Rabbit" -- 12/04/11
 

Originally Posted by dhmac (Post 11031896)
I just suggested him as an example of a recurring character being killed. Given that the DD Killer(s) are going to attack the police station with poison gas, there's a chance that the show kills a recurring character to shock us a bit, and they might go big (for example Deb, which I think is unlikely) or small (someone like Matthews, which I think is more likely).

Sorry, the comment wasn't directed at you, but yeah, your explanation is good.

dvdhook 12-06-11 11:56 AM

Re: Dexter -- "Ricochet Rabbit" -- 12/04/11
 
Major spoilers for next week's episode below from another forum. I'm not sure if they're real or not, but just in case, please do not click unless you're absolutely sure you don't mind being spoiled (there are some big spoilers here, if true). I wish I had the willpower to resist, but sadly, I gave in.

Spoiler:

Quinn dies protecting the police station from the Wormwood virus.

Dexter is the last one to talk to him before his death, and they speak about Liddy's murder. This conversation is apparently recorded (it must be in the interrogation room). Deb later watches this video and finds out that Dexter was behind Liddy's death.

Louis reveals to Dexter that he has been tracking his activities through the Elliot search engine.

Dragon Tattoo 12-06-11 12:28 PM

Re: Dexter -- "Ricochet Rabbit" -- 12/04/11
 
HOLY SHIT.

The producer wasn't lying when he said they're laying the foundation for the end of the series in these last two episodes. I don't understand how they can carry this on for two more seasons if those spoilers are true, though.

thelwig14 12-06-11 01:35 PM

Re: Dexter -- "Ricochet Rabbit" -- 12/04/11
 
I don't understand how things don't stay spoilerized in the email notifications.

Either way, that all sounds awesome and will save this horrible season.

Bill Needle 12-06-11 01:38 PM

Re: Dexter -- "Ricochet Rabbit" -- 12/04/11
 
I AM the Bay Harbour Butcher.

Best line of the season.

bunkaroo 12-06-11 01:38 PM

Re: Dexter -- "Ricochet Rabbit" -- 12/04/11
 
Spoiler:

I suppose they could dedicate a full season to the "hunt" for Dexter, but that would seem more appropriate for the final season.

Mike86 12-06-11 01:58 PM

Re: Dexter -- "Ricochet Rabbit" -- 12/04/11
 

Originally Posted by Dragon Tattoo (Post 11032268)
HOLY SHIT.

The producer wasn't lying when he said they're laying the foundation for the end of the series in these last two episodes. I don't understand how they can carry this on for two more seasons if those spoilers are true, though.

Spoiler:
Wow. Those are some pretty big spoilers, the search engine one was predicted by a few peope so that one isn't that surprising. I'm a little surprised by the death of Quinn if that's true though. As far as carrying on for two more seasons it seems like one direction they could go is have next season with Deb trying to deal with the fact Dexter is a killer and her contemplating what to do. The last season could deal with Dexter being taken down/going to jail or whatever the writers have in mind for the end.

windom 12-06-11 02:46 PM

Re: Dexter -- "Ricochet Rabbit" -- 12/04/11
 
So how many of you guys are old enough to recognize where the name of the episode title (and the yacht) come from?

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...nid_rjIFhjKMtA

Ozie 12-06-11 04:33 PM

Re: Dexter -- "Ricochet Rabbit" -- 12/04/11
 
Wormwood = Fate of weak side characters... AKA:

- La Guerta (I don't get what the writers are trying to do by repeating her nagging every fucking episode. Such weak acting and an unnecessary character. Get rid of her.)

- Quinn (Seriously? Getting drunk every episode and making a fool of himself. EVERY EPISODE. Get some new ideas or get rid of him. Also a weak actor. There is no depth to his character.)

- Matthews (Cliché corrupt man of power. Haven't seen that before..)

- Debra (I'm sorry to say this but I never liked her. I'm probably going to get flamed for this. All she does is swear and everything she does seems so forced and unnatural. She is just there for stupid side plots, whether its getting nagged by La Guerta, saying the same shit to her therapist every episode (what is this the Sopranos?), holding back Dexter from his "work" with her drama. I think she is going to be dead anyway by the end of the season, because this is the only time she has stopped bitching about anything. Writers just want to take her out in a way that we will feel sorry for her; not be relieved. I really think that she is a below average actor like most of the side crew.)

- Angel (I like the guy but I couldn't care less if he left the show. I'm sorry but his acting has done nothing that has made me raise a brow. He also doesn't look like he should be working at a police station. He is there to make the police station seem like a Latino-friendly place. It just seems like they have him on the show to give the impression of a Latino friendly police station and keep the balance of different races(Masuka, Anderson, etc.) in the show so that the show is not "misunderstood". He doesn't ruin the show but he is a weak side character nonetheless.)

Anderson ("Hey everyone, since we are short a black guy in the show, lets add a new one. Yeah I know he can't act but he is black and good looking." I really don't mean to sound racist, I'm just pointing out the fact that they just added him for the sake of racial balance in the show. Not because of his acting or anything significant.

Dexter is such a unique show but it is infested with all these very uninteresting and cliché characters that you can find almost every time you change the channel. I watch this show because of Dexter and these weak side characters just pollute the show. Stop trying to make this show seem mainstream like all the other detective shows by adding cliché characters to it; because it is not. Season 1 and 4 were the only seasons that they haven't strayed away from the real deal to show weak side plots with weak side characters. Even though I liked the other seasons as well, they had too much "pollution". : /

Hopefully the DDK is going to be taking care of most of these weak characters. I hope he is going to be able to use his poison gas in that dinner Matthew is hosting. We all know that La Guerta and Matthews is going to be there. Debra has already foreshadowed her goodbyes although I'm not sure about what is going to happen to her. Who knows, she might leave the show because of her divorce. I also believe that Quinn is going to try to save Angel and get killed in the processed. *fingers crossed* They should keep Anderson and Angel just for the sake of "balance".

On the other hand, I love the new intern. He has potential to be the next villain. I already said that he was a fan of Bay Harbor Butcher and that he suspected that it was Dexter. He was using Angel's sister as a cover to get close to Dexter so he could show him his video game where you can be the serial killer, assuming and hoping that Dexter would relate to it somehow and gain a liking to him. He is extremely obsessed with Dexter. He even made a video game about him. He definitely wants to be his sidekick :P

I actually like Colin Hanks more than I did before. At first I thought he was just a side character to the real villain Gellar, and that he was somehow going to represent Dexter's light side fighting the dark side. But the twist made him a lot more interesting as the two characters fused together.

All in all this season minus the pollution would make for one of the best seasons. Lets hope the DDK succeeds :)

Dragon Tattoo 12-06-11 04:49 PM

Re: Dexter -- "Ricochet Rabbit" -- 12/04/11
 

Originally Posted by Ozie (Post 11032616)
I really don't mean to sound racist

Well, you failed pretty spectacularly then.


Originally Posted by Ozie (Post 11032616)
I'm just pointing out the fact that they just added him for the sake of racial balance in the show. Not because of his acting or anything significant.

How in the world would you know this? Are you a producer or something? Are you a casting agent? Just what has the actor who plays Anderson done to make you think that he's a bad actor, anyway? He seems to be doing well enough to me.

Your opinion on the quality of this show's acting is pretty suspect, anyway, since you call out basically every character other than Dexter, and then claim to like Colin Hanks, who is one of the worst 'actors' who has ever been on this show. He, in large part, has been responsible for making this season a failure than can only be partially redeemed if what has been forecast to happen in the spoilers above comes to pass.

Bill Needle 12-06-11 05:10 PM

Re: Dexter -- "Ricochet Rabbit" -- 12/04/11
 

Originally Posted by windom (Post 11032475)
So how many of you guys are old enough to recognize where the name of the episode title (and the yacht) come from?

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...nid_rjIFhjKMtA

Sheriff "ping-ping-ping" Ricochet Rabbit

PopcornTreeCt 12-06-11 06:52 PM

Re: Dexter -- "Ricochet Rabbit" -- 12/04/11
 

Originally Posted by Bill Needle (Post 11032393)
I AM the Bay Harbour Butcher.

Best line of the season.

Yep.

wirefan 12-06-11 07:56 PM

Re: Dexter -- "Ricochet Rabbit" -- 12/04/11
 

Originally Posted by dhmac (Post 11031549)
- Dexter always using the computer to search and then returning to the previous screen before walking off as computer geek intern walks in. Totally setting up the geek looking at the browsing history and finding something out about what Dexter has been doing.

There was also the intern's offhand comment about how he had never seen Dexter make a mistake (when talking to Batista's daughter about how to approaching Dexter about the game).... for some reason it seemed a bit off (has he been an intern all that long?) and struck me as foreshadowing a Dexter mistake down the line.

Or it was just a random line and I'm reading way too much into it....

PopcornTreeCt 12-06-11 08:33 PM

Re: Dexter -- "Ricochet Rabbit" -- 12/04/11
 
If those spoilers are true I will have my faith restored in the writers.

windom 12-06-11 09:29 PM

Re: Dexter -- "Ricochet Rabbit" -- 12/04/11
 
You guys who read the spoilers are getting my hopes up...so it's sure to be a let down now.

TenTwentyTwo76 12-06-11 09:37 PM

Re: Dexter -- "Ricochet Rabbit" -- 12/04/11
 
Windom, I agree. I had to join this site because of this thread. I am fighting SO hard not to read the spoilers...arrrrgh! I don't feel this season is Dexter's best, however I am still enjoying it. Much beter than most television out there now. I kind of wish the killers had more of a presence. My favorite moments that I am taking from this season are Deb's progression in therapy and the brief return of Dexter's brother. Some of your responses to the spoilers are really getting my hopes up. I hope this season goes out on a shocking note. Cannot wait for the last two seasons!!

P.S.-The sneak peak of next week's show depicting the DDK's follower going in the Miami station with backpack full of lethal gas reminds me in an odd way of the Moldavian Massacre cliffhanger in Dynasty back in the day...it just FEELS like this is going to be a "let's see who bites the dust/survives" moment and that there may be a few casualties. Real excited about it!

mickey65 12-06-11 10:24 PM

Re: Dexter -- "Ricochet Rabbit" -- 12/04/11
 
A more detailed look at next week's episode - MAJOR spoiler alert:

Spoiler:
It's huge. It's damn laughable the sneak peaks are all Dexter casually defecating a statue and Deb in therapy as if it's almost business as usual.

Quinn dies. He saves Batista from almost being burnt alive in Beth's apartment but is racked with how useless a liability he has become because he caused Batista to be caught off guard and alone, and consequently helped Wormwood go into motion when it could have been stopped by taking Travis at the apartment if Batista had back up.

Wormwood makes it into the station and when it's about to go off, knowing they'll never get everyone away in time, Quinn takes the device away instead locking himself in a room with it and dying a pretty harsh death whilst everyone evacuates. Almost everyone.

Because not only that, but he has what can best be described as a Kirk/Spock moment from Wrath Of Khan with Dexter where he tells him to take care of Deb, no matter what, even if it means taking care of someone else (as in kill) like he did with Liddy. And there's a camera recording with audio.

That's not even the end of the episode. Whilst Dex is going toe to toe with Travis in a lake of fire on the yacht, Deb is being asked by Matthews to cover for him with the dead call girl, and makes rather direct implications it is a code between badges which he himself has honoured with her father (referring to covering up his suicide, not Dexter), and that one day she may have to ask him for help just like he is asking her.

She says she needs to think about it too much has happened today. Travis is still at large whilst Dexter is drowning amid the remains of the yacht when Louis turns up and says Elliot told him he might be needing his help. The Holy *beep* look on Dexter's face is immediate rewind material.

Trumped only by this. The episode ends with Deb tearfully watching Quin's final moments. She calls Matthews and says she'll do it.

She now knows Dexter killed Liddy.

mickey65 12-06-11 10:41 PM

Re: Dexter -- "Ricochet Rabbit" -- 12/04/11
 
Based on the spoiler alert for next week, I see this happening:

Spoiler:
Because of Deb now knowing that Dexter killed Liddy, she can't seem to believe it - that is until she's threatened to be killed by Travis and Dexter saves her by killing Travis in front of her.

Dragon Tattoo 12-06-11 10:47 PM

Re: Dexter -- "Ricochet Rabbit" -- 12/04/11
 

Originally Posted by mickey65 (Post 11033004)
Based on the spoiler alert for next week, I see this happening:

Spoiler:
Because of Deb now knowing that Dexter killed Liddy, she can't seem to believe it - that is until she's threatened to be killed by Travis and Dexter saves her by killing Travis in front of her.

Highly doubtful. They do have two more seasons, you know. All they writers have done is introduce the specter of this knowledge; they're not going to start going crazy right away.

Gunde 12-07-11 02:13 AM

Re: Dexter -- "Ricochet Rabbit" -- 12/04/11
 

Originally Posted by Dragon Tattoo (Post 11032638)
Your opinion on the quality of this show's acting is pretty suspect, anyway, since you call out basically every character other than Dexter, and then claim to like Colin Hanks, who is one of the worst 'actors' who has ever been on this show. He, in large part, has been responsible for making this season a failure than can only be partially redeemed if what has been forecast to happen in the spoilers above comes to pass.

No the terrible writing, the inconsistent actions of Dexter, the stupid twist and the worst storylines ever for the side cast has made this season a failure. Hanks is the least of it's problems.

Shazam 12-07-11 10:48 AM

Re: Dexter -- "Ricochet Rabbit" -- 12/04/11
 
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Mike86 12-07-11 12:32 PM

Re: Dexter -- "Ricochet Rabbit" -- 12/04/11
 
I still don't really understand all the complaints this season. It's not as sharp as it was in the earlier seasons I agree, but I don't see the drastic drop in quality that many of you apparently do. Dexter makes mistakes and acts differently than he did earlier on in the series but to me it seems like he's sloppy on purpose sometimes because the writers are showing that he can't be perfect forever and are events that will lead to his eventual downfall. Brother Sam was a great story while he lasted in my opinion and it's a shame that he was killed off as I liked the interaction he had with Dexter.

The side characters have also been better than they have been in previous seasons and have decent story lines. Quinn and Batista teaming up has been fun, Quinn's drinking issues after Deb leaving him, Deb's story with her becoming lieutenant has been interesting and her therapy sessions bringing up her issues and possibly bringing to light more about Dexter, Louis the intern have all been decent side stories. Also the return of Brian although brief was cool to see and I also liked that they brought Jonah back. I also like the addition of Detective Anderson and think he could be a decent character if he's used more in the future.

Travis and Gellar I've liked as well. Collin Hanks is doing fine in my opinion with playing a religious nut job. The Gellar twist some people saw coming but honestly most people I know who watch the show (who aren't posting about it on the Internet) were surprised by it. Face it as online fans most of us probably watch shows differently than the average viewer.

At the end of the day Dexter accomplishes being an entertaining show. Is it 100% perfect and the best written show on television? No, but it still is a fun show to watch and in my opinion a lot better than most of the crap on.

Ozie 12-09-11 12:35 AM

Re: Dexter -- "Ricochet Rabbit" -- 12/04/11
 

Originally Posted by Dragon Tattoo (Post 11032638)
Well, you failed pretty spectacularly then.



How in the world would you know this? Are you a producer or something? Are you a casting agent? Just what has the actor who plays Anderson done to make you think that he's a bad actor, anyway? He seems to be doing well enough to me.

Your opinion on the quality of this show's acting is pretty suspect, anyway, since you call out basically every character other than Dexter, and then claim to like Colin Hanks, who is one of the worst 'actors' who has ever been on this show. He, in large part, has been responsible for making this season a failure than can only be partially redeemed if what has been forecast to happen in the spoilers above comes to pass.

I know this from simply watching the show. Show me ONE scene where any of the average actors I listed have done something to captivate you with their "amazing" acting. They have no facial expressions whatsoever, Anderson being one of the worst. If no one is remotely caring about their sub plots; then you got yourself a bunch of below-average actors who do not have more than one facial expression, originality, or character. It doesn't take a producer to see that this show has weak side characters.

The racial balance thing is true for 99% of the shows and movies nowadays. I am all for it as long as the characters fit the in some way. But don't just put an array of different races in the show just so an audience from a different ethnicity doesn't get offended. "Ok everyone. We have to appeal to our Eskimo viewers as well, so next season we are going to be introducing Nantuk who has no more than two facial expressions, but he will help us appeal to the Eskimo audience and gain more Eskimo viewers!" I am not racist by any means and I am a minority on top of that. But I don't like it when a good show gets polluted for the sake of mass appeal.

Btw I never said Colin Hanks was a great actor. He is better than the rest of the thrash though. I just pointed out the fact that his character has more depth than before. Who doesn't love a schizophrenic villain? :P

thelwig14 12-09-11 01:05 AM

Re: Dexter -- "Ricochet Rabbit" -- 12/04/11
 
Billy Brown is a good actor and I have seen him do well more than once.

If you don't know the uptight suit guy who has been dropped in the middle of a cluster, I am not sure what to tell you.


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