Breaking Bad -- Season 4 Premiere -- "Box Cutter" -- 7/17/11
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Re: Breaking Bad -- Season 4 Premiere -- "Box Cutter" -- 7/17/11
Great season opener, and I buy that Gus would kill Whatshisface to both make a undeniable point and rid himself of a liability, but what I have a hard time buying is that he wouldn't do the same thing to Jesse. I understand why the show wouldn't go in that direction, so I'm willing to go along, but it's also a bit of a cop-out. If whatshisface is a liability, Jesse is a major liability with his drug problems and stupid mistakes. And Walt is who he needs, not Jesse. Jesse is nothing but a disaster waiting to happen.
I know the script tried to dismiss that with Walt saying "You don't have Jesse, you don't have me," but I just can't see how that would truly hold any weight with Gus. Slice Jesse's throat right in front of Walt and tell him his wife and kid are next if he has any problem with it, you think Walt stands on honor? That's exactly what Gus would be thinking. No way he lets Jesse live.
But it is what it is, so we'll see where they go with it, but it vis a bit of a dip in an otherwise excellent season opener in my mind.
I know the script tried to dismiss that with Walt saying "You don't have Jesse, you don't have me," but I just can't see how that would truly hold any weight with Gus. Slice Jesse's throat right in front of Walt and tell him his wife and kid are next if he has any problem with it, you think Walt stands on honor? That's exactly what Gus would be thinking. No way he lets Jesse live.
But it is what it is, so we'll see where they go with it, but it vis a bit of a dip in an otherwise excellent season opener in my mind.
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Re: Breaking Bad -- Season 4 Premiere -- "Box Cutter" -- 7/17/11
Maybe Gus would rather have Walt scheming with Jesse (who will invariably screw something up ... bitch) than have Walt working alone?
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I know the script tried to dismiss that with Walt saying "You don't have Jesse, you don't have me," but I just can't see how that would truly hold any weight with Gus. Slice Jesse's throat right in front of Walt and tell him his wife and kid are next if he has any problem with it, you think Walt stands on honor? That's exactly what Gus would be thinking. No way he lets Jesse live.
But it is what it is, so we'll see where they go with it, but it vis a bit of a dip in an otherwise excellent season opener in my mind.
But it is what it is, so we'll see where they go with it, but it vis a bit of a dip in an otherwise excellent season opener in my mind.
If I were in Walts shoes and Gus kills Jesse in front of me and threatens my family I would tell Gus whatever he wanted to hear and then find him and kill him. If you go too far and push someone in a corner like you suggest it all blows up.
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Re: Breaking Bad -- Season 4 Premiere -- "Box Cutter" -- 7/17/11
Yeah, Walter already showed big balls doing this. So Gus has to be careful. Gus knows that he's in charge, if he's really careful he can kill both Walter and Jesse later. No need to risk everything now.
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That was awesome. The dramatic tension as a result of silence was perfection. Gus is an evil, evil man. That throat cut was brutal. Glad the best show on TV is back.
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Re: Breaking Bad -- Season 4 Premiere -- "Box Cutter" -- 7/17/11
So is Jesse. The eye daggers that he throwing at Gus when he was slitting Victor's throat was amazing. Loved that he said absolutely nothing in the scene while Walt was rambling on to justify their existence, knowing that Gus had already made up his mind about what to do.
While I liked the followup on Hank and the tension as he goes through his recovery, I hope that's not a huge focus as I think it will get tired if it is the same thing over and over until he gets better (I'm assuming he gets better?). While that would be realistic, it's just something I'd rather they not spend a huge amount of time on.
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Re: Breaking Bad -- Season 4 Premiere -- "Box Cutter" -- 7/17/11
From the second Gus walks in to the moment he leaves is about 10 minutes long, didn't seem that long at all. Just a really well executed sequence.
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But when Walt gets a hold of him he'll looking like Buggin Out from Do the right thing.
Last edited by Larry C.; 07-22-11 at 10:25 AM.
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Re: Breaking Bad -- Season 4 Premiere -- "Box Cutter" -- 7/17/11
Slicing the throat of a guy isn't an act of an evil man?
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and Vic probably did all those bad things at the behest Gus.
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Re: Breaking Bad -- Season 4 Premiere -- "Box Cutter" -- 7/17/11
He's not a good man. I suspect we're going to find he's even more monstrous than they've let on,.
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The one thing that may take away from this season is Hank. Unless the show jumps ahead at least 6 months in timeline at some point this season, Hank looks like he'll be a non-factor due to his injuries.
I figured Hank would find out about Walt through his investigating, but I'm not sure how he can do much from a bed. We may have to wait till next season to see Hank get back into the mix.
I figured Hank would find out about Walt through his investigating, but I'm not sure how he can do much from a bed. We may have to wait till next season to see Hank get back into the mix.
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Re: Breaking Bad -- Season 4 Premiere -- "Box Cutter" -- 7/17/11
The one thing that may take away from this season is Hank. Unless the show jumps ahead at least 6 months in timeline at some point this season, Hank looks like he'll be a non-factor due to his injuries.
I figured Hank would find out about Walt through his investigating, but I'm not sure how he can do much from a bed. We may have to wait till next season to see Hank get back into the mix.
I figured Hank would find out about Walt through his investigating, but I'm not sure how he can do much from a bed. We may have to wait till next season to see Hank get back into the mix.
Maybe his ebay "rock" shopping is actually mineral/chemical research and he is still on the case?!? Hank will be reckoned with evetually.
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Re: Breaking Bad -- Season 4 Premiere -- "Box Cutter" -- 7/17/11
Not a good man agreed. Monstrous maybe I hope the dive into Gus and his dark closet.
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If Hank has internet access and contact with Gomie then he will still be a big factor....and yeah I'm curious to see where the mineral thing goes.
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Re: Breaking Bad -- Season 4 Premiere -- "Box Cutter" -- 7/17/11
yeah, it seemed weird that they would focus on the mineral thing unless somehow it played into hank's investigation into Heisenberg.
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or he's just really fucking bored. But it probably does play in.
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Re: Breaking Bad -- Season 4 Premiere -- "Box Cutter" -- 7/17/11
It's unclear about the kid. In the season 3 finale he asks Heisenberg something along the lines of "are you asking me if I had the child killed" and he acted all offended and such. Either way, Gus is pretty evil, ha...
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Re: Breaking Bad -- Season 4 Premiere -- "Box Cutter" -- 7/17/11
Good point and I agree that could be true. What about just killing Jesse, though? What does he bring to the table but high probability for fucking up and bringing everyone else down in the process? And what is he to Walt? Some kind of misplaced loyalty? How much would Walt really be willing to risk for him? Of course, this very well could be if not will be a plot point that comes up in future episodes. You know Jesse is going to fuck up again. He's just a fuck up.